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What does Hillary believe
nuguy46 191 reads
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she's flip-flopped on so many issues.  Watch Fiorina comments that embarrass HRC.  But realize there are so many Dims on this site that could care less what she said, they'd vote for her if she said her first act a Prez would be to turn the country into a 3rd world state.

It's going to be fun to see the fur flying in the Republican debates. Of course Rand Paul as no chance, but at least the finger pointing to the Democrats for everything wrong in the Middle East has a Republican refuting it.

"On Wednesday, Paul said that the hawkish members of his party had long been wrong on foreign policy.

"'Everything that they have talked about in foreign policy, they have been wrong about for 20 years, and yet they have somehow the gall to keep saying and pointing fingers otherwise.'"

I'm looking forward to liar of the decade, Queen Hillary, to debate her views then and now.  
 
    """December 14, 2007  
Hillary Clinton on Iraq by Stephen Zunes  

"" It is important to review Senator Clinton's past and current positions regarding the Iraq War. Indeed, despite her efforts in response to public opinion polls to come across as an opponent of the war, Hillary Clinton has proven to be one of the most hard-line Democratic senators in support of a military response to the challenges posed by Iraq. She has also been less than honest in justifying her militaristic policies, raising concerns that she might support military interventions elsewhere.

Pre-War Militarism
Senator Clinton's militaristic stance on Iraq predated her support for Bush's 2003 invasion. For example, in defending the brutal four-day U.S. bombing campaign against Iraq in December 1998 – known as Operation Desert Fox – she  claimed that the so-called presidential palaces ... in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left." In reality, as became apparent when UN inspectors returned in 2002 as well as in the aftermath of the invasion and occupation, there were no weapons labs, stocks of weapons or missing records in these presidential palaces. .  
Senator Clinton also took credit for strengthening U.S. ties with Ahmad Chalabi, the convicted embezzler who played a major role in convincing key segments of the administration, Congress, the CIA, and the American public that Iraq still had proscribed weapons, weapons systems, and weapons labs.Prior to the 2003 invasion, Clinton insisted that Iraq still had a nuclear program, despite a detailed 1998 report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), subsequent studies that indicated that Iraq's nuclear program appeared to have been completely dismantled a full decade earlier, and a 2002 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate that made no mention of any reconstituted nuclear development effort. Similarly, even though Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs had been dismantled years earlier, she also insisted that Iraq had rebuilt its biological and chemical weapons stockpiles. And, even though the limited shelf life of such chemical and biological agents and the strict embargo against imports of any additional banned materials that had been in place since 1990 made it physically impossible for Iraq to have reconstituted such weapons, she  insisted that "It is clear...that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."  

 Clinton insisted that Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 2005 speech at the UN was "compelling" although UN officials and arms control experts roundly denounced its false claims that Iraq had reconstituted these proscribed weapons, weapons programs, and delivery systems. In addition, although top strategic analysts correctly informed her that there were no links between Saddam Hussein's secular nationalist regime and the radical Islamist al-Qaeda, Senator Clinton  insisted that Saddam "has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members."  

The Lead-Up to War
Though the 2003 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq was inaccurate in a number of respects, it did challenge the notion of any operational ties between the Iraqi government and al-Qaeda and questioned some of the more categorical claims by President Bush about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD). However, Senator Clinton  didn't even bother to read it. She now claims that it wasn't necessary for her to have actually read the 92-page document herself because she was briefed on the contents of the report. However, since no one on her staff was authorized to read the report, it's unclear who could have actually briefed her.  

During the floor debate over the resolution authorizing the invasion of Iraq, Clinton was the only Democratic senator to have categorically accepted the Bush administration's claims regarding Iraq's alleged chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs, Iraq's alleged long-range missile capabilities, and alleged ties to al-Qaeda.
In the months leading up the war, Senator Clinton chose to ignore the pleas of the hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating in her state and across the country against the war and similarly brushed off calls by religious leaders, scholars, community activists, and others to oppose it. Perhaps most significant was her refusal to consider the antiwar appeals by leaders of the Catholic Church and virtually every mainline Protestant denomination, which noted that it did not meet the traditional criteria in the Christian tradition for a just war. Instead, Senator Clinton embraced the arguments of the right-wing fundamentalist leadership who supported the war. This categorical rejection of the perspective of the mainstream Christian community raises concerns about her theological perspectives on issues of war and peace.  

In March 2003, well after UN weapons inspectors had been allowed to return and engage in unfettered inspections and were not finding any WMDs, Senator Clinton made clear that the United States should invade Iraq anyway.  Said Senator Clinton, "The president gave Saddam Hussein one last chance to avoid war and the world hopes that Saddam Hussein will finally hear this ultimatum, understand the severity of those words, and act accordingly."  

Even after the U.S. forces invaded and occupied Iraq and confirmed that – contrary to Senator Clinton's initial justification for the war – Iraq did not have WMDs, WMD programs, offensive delivery systems, or ties to al-Qaeda, she defended her vote to authorize the invasion anyway. Speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York that December, she  declared, "I was one who supported giving President Bush the authority, if necessary, to use force against Saddam Hussein. I believe that that was the right vote" and was one that "I stand by."  
Rewriting History

Senator Clinton has never apologized for her vote to authorize the invasion. She insists that her eagerness for the United States to invade Iraq had nothing to do with its vast petroleum reserves. Like President Bush, she claims that she did not lie about her false accusations about Iraq's weapons programs. She says she was misled by faulty intelligence, though she has refused to make public this intelligence that she claims demonstrated that Iraq had somehow reconstituted its WMD.  

Senator Clinton has also claimed that Bush – at the time of the resolution authorizing the invasion – had misled her regarding his intention to pursue diplomacy instead of rushing into war. But there was nothing in the war resolution that required him to pursue any negotiations. She has  tried to emphasize that she voted in favor of an unsuccessful amendment by Senator Byrd "which would have limited the original authorization to one year." However,  this resolution actually meant very little, since it gave President Bush the authority to extend the war authorization "for a period or periods of 12 months each" if he determined that it was "necessary for ongoing or impending military operations against Iraq."  
http://www.antiwar.com/zunes/?articleid=12052
Despite the fact that Iraq had several weeks prior to the October 2002 vote already agreed unconditionally to allow UN inspectors to return, she categorically insisted that her vote "was a necessary step in order to maximize the outcome that did occur in the Security Council with the unanimous vote to send in inspectors.

nuguy46192 reads

she's flip-flopped on so many issues.  Watch Fiorina comments that embarrass HRC.  But realize there are so many Dims on this site that could care less what she said, they'd vote for her if she said her first act a Prez would be to turn the country into a 3rd world state.

I'm with Paul on domestic economic issues but not his foreign policy. He's not as goofy as his dad but he inherited some of his blame America first reflex. When Muslims slaughter other Muslims is it due to US foreign policy? Did Boko Haram kidnap and rape girls in Africa because of US foreign policy? When a Christian is executed for his religion is it because of US intervention?
They kill because they hate.

GaGambler158 reads

Like his father he has some very good points to make, but also like his father, he's a fucking nut job that neither party is going to vote for in any significant numbers.

As soon as he starts criticizing Republicans he suddenly becomes the most credible Republican ever. As soon as he stops he will go back to being a racist, bigoted hillbilly.

Reminder: The ECONOMY has sucked for Obama's entire presidency and will be the KEY issue with voters.

Posted By: mattradd
It's going to be fun to see the fur flying in the Republican debates. Of course Rand Paul as no chance, but at least the finger pointing to the Democrats for everything wrong in the Middle East has a Republican refuting it.  
   
 "On Wednesday, Paul said that the hawkish members of his party had long been wrong on foreign policy.  
   
 "'Everything that they have talked about in foreign policy, they have been wrong about for 20 years, and yet they have somehow the gall to keep saying and pointing fingers otherwise.'"
-- Modified on 5/29/2015 8:58:44 AM

The Republicans have a loose canon rolling around, and they can't just dismiss him by saying he's a Democrat.

"As soon as he starts criticizing Republicans he suddenly becomes the most credible Republican ever. As soon as he stops he will go back to being a racist, bigoted hillbilly."

I don't know if those are your words, or words you are trying to put in someone else's mouth; whoever that may be.

As far a the economy, it's getting better all the time, and it's only the Republicans who seem to have forgotten that it was on Bush's watch that the economy was the worst it's been since the Great Depression.  ;)

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