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Well Gunny, hope this might enlighten you....
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Just a tad, I know you're wound little tigh but we don't know what's going on in the background or how "The Smartest Man In the Room" thinks....we all don't know, we just guess and bitch.
Now my question, do we behead the wife??? Or feed her to the Kurds....hmmmm

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Why , is six month old footage a reminder of how much you fucked up O'tool ???  How about yesterday's footage of  ISIS owning Ramadi you under cover Muzzie Lefty Retard Sack of Shit !  

B punk P voted for you ! Maybe that stroke bag will listen because he can't admit he was wrong just like you .

If anyone is to blame for ISIS blame G. W. Bush.  

Posted By: 86H13LTP
Why , is six month old footage a reminder of how much you fucked up O'tool ???  How about yesterday's footage of  ISIS owning Ramadi you under cover Muzzie Lefty Retard Sack of Shit !  
   
 B punk P voted for you ! Maybe that stroke bag will listen because he can't admit he was wrong just like you .

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AQ in Iraq - Now called ISIS -  out of the country . O-ass bag allowed them to regroup and come back. I shouldn't expect somebody who got sold out for $50 to understand it but they should at least try.

Fact is AQ hated Saddam. Saddam was very liberal and a secularist. The ancient christians and every other religion in Iraq was very well protected under Saddam.

Regardless of what wing nuts say, there is not shred of evidence AQ was in Iraq. They came to Iraq after Saddam was toppled.  

Pretty much all christians are gone and the remaining few is under constant threat.

Mission accomplished and democracy is thriving in Iraq.

I know your rebuttal is going same Kool-Aid lie of the Repugnants.

And, GWB.  It all happened on his watch stupid!   ;)

Paul Bremer was appointed to head the Iraq Provisional Coalition Authority. He then set out to marginalize Iraq's Sunni's  minority by completely destroying the Baathist party structure, where-upon many former Sunni Army officers and Sunni Government officials were thrown out of office. Paul Bremer then decided that U.S. taxpayers would fund and help create a completely new and very corrupt Shia Government structure that was completely devoid of Sunni's. It is those same Sunni army officers/Government officials who have now joined together with other Sunni Islamists to form ISIS. Iraq is a mess today because of this major blunder by Bush II, who felt he had to show he had cahjones after hearing rumors Saddam was attempting to assassinate his father. I hope Bush II sleeps well at night knowing he sent several thousand young Americans to die and be injured over an unnecessary invasion.  

On another note think of all the $$$$ that we've spent so far in Iraq that could have been spent building up our own failing infrastructure such as roads, bridges, schools, rails etc. What a waste!

Posted By: User1994
It all happened on his watch, Stupid.
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There have almost always been sections of Islam that want to kill anyone of a different faith. This isn't new, didn't start with Bush or Obama. Terrorism in general is an idioligical pursuit; they don't have the power to fight conventionally so fall back on terrorism as a way to further their goals. There isn't a way to stop it and in poor countries like Iraq it's always going to be there.  
         Change the names all you want but it's still radical Islam behind all of it.  

Posted By: HONDA
If anyone is to blame for ISIS blame G. W. Bush.  
   
Posted By: 86H13LTP
Why , is six month old footage a reminder of how much you fucked up O'tool ???  How about yesterday's footage of  ISIS owning Ramadi you under cover Muzzie Lefty Retard Sack of Shit !    
     
  B punk P voted for you ! Maybe that stroke bag will listen because he can't admit he was wrong just like you .

Saddam had been funding and supporting terror groups for decades. Don't delude yourself into thinking this is anything but radical Islam and furthering their agenda. It's not going to end any time soon either.  
      I m not a gwb fan and some things in Iraq were screwed up by him and our current president to be honest, but it all has minimal impact on the long term goals of terror groups. They had the foothold already, a poor population, uneducated and oppressed. You couldn't ask for a better formula for revolution. Germany in the late 20's, Russia in the early 1900's. The formula is very similar; only real difference is Radical Islam crosses borders and nationalities because it's a religion.  
      There are whole books on it.
     Laurie Mylroie, PhD, Adjunct Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, stated in an Oct. 19, 2004 New York Sun article titled "Saddam's Terrorist Ties":
"The report of the Iraq Survey Group presents further evidence of Iraq's involvement in hostile activities. It includes the most comprehensive account ["Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq's WMD" Sep. 30, 2004] of the Iraqi Intelligence Service ever published in open-source literature, depicting an organization that consisted of 'over twenty compartmentalized directorates.' Section M-14 included the 'Tiger Group' - 'primarily composed of suicide bombers.' It also supervised the 'Challenge Project,' a highly secretive enterprise involved with explosives, about which the Iraq Survey Group could learn little. Another section - M-21 - was formed in 1990 to create explosive devices for Iraqi intelligence. Its chemistry department developed explosive materials; its electronics department prepared timers and wiring; and its mechanical department produced igniters and designed the bombs.

This picture shows the substantial, longstanding involvement of Iraq's intelligence services in terrorist training and support operations, including collaboration with Islamic militants. Its activities were infinitely more sophisticated than anything that was taught to the mujahideen fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan."

Posted By: mattradd
It's about disrupting the power balance in the Middle-east. And yes, Bush did that to the point of dis repair.  
   
 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/jeb-bush-isis_n_7284558.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

Just like if someone went in a took out the Saudi royal family, or the head of Turkey, the balance of power, in the Middle-east, would change tremendously, and not for the better.

there without the power vacuum you describe? It's easy to say this is the reason Isis has power in Iraq. I won't say that with saddam in power there Isis would be fighting there. They probably wouldn't but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have a large body of soldiers there if you want to call them that. Is there really a difference? Better the Iraqi military and to some extent Iran deal with them than us. The more extreme they are against other Muslims the more they will have the Muslim world turn against them. One in 100 is radical enough to support Isis maybe. Better they be confronted by their own people on their own soil than by the great western demon. There won't be change in the Middle East until it's implemented by the Middle East. We can't force the change but saddam being gone and Isis killing Iraqis; if we talk big picture is so much better than them living unhindered in Iraq and sending terrorists over seas.  
       One thing is for sure, one act didn't create Isis. It's way more complicated than that, and like I said before not something that we (Americans) can fix or should be a part of fixing. Provide some air support and let the Iraqi people fight for themselves.  
       As for your statement if the Saudi royal family were gone or head of turkey there would be a definite power shit but there's no way to predict if it would be for better or worse. You can assume that it would be Isis that moves in. But it's just as likely a military coup would happen and you would have a dictator. Some dictators have actually been good for their nations.  

Posted By: mattradd
Just like if someone went in a took out the Saudi royal family, or the head of Turkey, the balance of power, in the Middle-east, would change tremendously, and not for the better.

Why can't you see that Saddam, had out lived his usefulness?

The chance is great that Saddam, would have been dead by now anyhow. It's probably better for U.S. interests that the CIA created and controlled the timeline of Saddam's demise.

Posted By: mattradd
Just like if someone went in a took out the Saudi royal family, or the head of Turkey, the balance of power, in the Middle-east, would change tremendously, and not for the better.
 
Matt, what do you think would have happened once Saddam, had died minus the influence of the west?

Also... your comparisons are completely fictitious.

Faux news is the delusion spreading outlet of the GOP.

There is no evidence just like there wasn’t any so called WMD

Posted By: anonymousfun
Faux news is the delusion spreading outlet of the GOP.  
   
 There is no evidence just like there wasn’t any so called WMD.  
   
 

May have existed but no reason to go to Iraq where none of it existed under Saddam.  

Repugnant broke the delicate balance and you own it. No one is buying the BS.

So you admit that they existed probably but leaving them in Iraq unchecked is what should have happened? Because they would have been happy and stopped recruiting terrorists? Changed their ideology and been peaceful? You are pretty blind huh?

Just a tad, I know you're wound little tigh but we don't know what's going on in the background or how "The Smartest Man In the Room" thinks....we all don't know, we just guess and bitch.
Now my question, do we behead the wife??? Or feed her to the Kurds....hmmmm

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