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I've followed this and other hi profile trials as much as I can when I can.  
I'm DEFINATELY a news junkie. Lol

Wanted to start a conversation just to see what others opinions are to this controversial case.  
No matter what side of the fence you're on, as far as the death penalty, this case certainly stirred some feelings in me or maybe lack thereof. Not quite sure what to make of it.....  

What's your opionion to the argument that death is actually the easy way out versus SuperMax for the rest of your natural life?  

Was he manipulated by his brother?
Is he the worse of the worse?

 

 
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I think he should have to live so that he can reflect on his actions the rest of his life.  Of course, that assumes that he can develop some remorse.   I don't care if he was manipulated, it has become vogue to excuse people for what they do - oh look the conditions he grew up under - oh look he had some mental issues - we need to get back to a society in which people are made accountable for their actions.

with respect to your point that death is an easy way out.  Humans have uncanny ability to adjust to circumstances. People adjust to losing limbs, losing loved ones, disability from freak accidents.  Putting him away for life only means giving him place to adjust to his surroundings.  He would still be getting 3 meals a day and a mattress to sleep on. A place to shit and shower.  

I firmly believe in death penalty where there is no gray area whether the accused is guilty or not, and in this case he is guilty beyond any shadow of doubt.

The death penalty verus life in prison wo parole is of course always an interesting convo when it comes to which one is more of a severe punishment. I still side on life in prison without parole but what do I know. I've neither died (well, literally) or spent my life in prison (well literally).

I haven't really followed the case in detail so I don't know about the manipulation. I've heard about that assumption before in passing but I don't know what the actual investigation proved of this assumption. Interesting though from afar this assumption.

I'm sorry but the worst of the worst in my eyes will forever and ever be men and women in "suits" but that's just me. Not all of them but too many from my experience and view. All different kind of suits I might add. Most to all industries known to man. Many Americans would probably look at me like I'm crazy (of course I am btw), but I'm not crazy on THAT topic!!! With that said, anyone who kills innocent people or even attempts to for any so-called reasoning or purpose is pretty much one of the worst people alive right.! Whether they're the worst of the worst is irrelevant to me but understood where you were coming from.

Is the case controversial because of what to do about the punishment? Just wondering.

Posted By: HectorBlack
The death penalty verus life in prison wo parole is of course always an interesting convo when it comes to which one is more of a severe punishment. I still side on life in prison without parole but what do I know. I've neither died (well, literally) or spent my life in prison (well literally).  
   
 I haven't really followed the case in detail so I don't know about the manipulation. I've heard about that assumption before in passing but I don't know what the actual investigation proved of this assumption. Interesting though from afar this assumption.  
   
 I'm sorry but the worst of the worst in my eyes will forever and ever be men and women in "suits" but that's just me. Not all of them but too many from my experience and view. All different kind of suits I might add. Most to all industries known to man. Many Americans would probably look at me like I'm crazy (of course I am btw), but I'm not crazy on THAT topic!!! With that said, anyone who kills innocent people or even attempts to for any so-called reasoning or purpose is pretty much one of the worst people alive right.! Whether they're the worst of the worst is irrelevant to me but understood where you were coming from.  
   
 Is the case controversial because of what to do about the punishment? Just wondering.

Posted By: HectorBlack
The death penalty verus life in prison wo parole is of course always an interesting convo when it comes to which one is more of a severe punishment. I still side on life in prison without parole but what do I know. I've neither died (well, literally) or spent my life in prison (well literally).  
   
 I haven't really followed the case in detail so I don't know about the manipulation. I've heard about that assumption before in passing but I don't know what the actual investigation proved of this assumption. Interesting though from afar this assumption.  
   
 I'm sorry but the worst of the worst in my eyes will forever and ever be men and women in "suits" but that's just me. Not all of them but too many from my experience and view. All different kind of suits I might add. Most to all industries known to man. Many Americans would probably look at me like I'm crazy (of course I am btw), but I'm not crazy on THAT topic!!! With that said, anyone who kills innocent people or even attempts to for any so-called reasoning or purpose is pretty much one of the worst people alive right.! Whether they're the worst of the worst is irrelevant to me but understood where you were coming from.  
   
 Is the case controversial because of what to do about the punishment? Just wondering.

The choices are intriguing.....Kaczynski,(Unabomber), Eric Robert Rudolph (Olympic and Abortion Clinic Bomber), Ramsey Yuessef, (1993 World tTrade Center Bomber), and the rest of the dirtbags who inhabit that hell hole in Florence.  This Governor will neither pardon any of them or commute their sentences!
 

Posted By: VipRC
I've followed this and other hi profile trials as much as I can when I can.  
 I'm DEFINATELY a news junkie. Lol  
   
 Wanted to start a conversation just to see what others opinions are to this controversial case.  
 No matter what side of the fence you're on, as far as the death penalty, this case certainly stirred some feelings in me or maybe lack thereof. Not quite sure what to make of it.....  
   
 What's your opionion to the argument that death is actually the easy way out versus SuperMax for the rest of your natural life?  
   
 Was he manipulated by his brother?  
 Is he the worse of the worse?  
   
   
   
   
 RC  
   
   
 

Even though of course when its mass casualties that could be tricky. Put that up for a vote amongst the victims families is what I say. Life in prison or the death penalty. I guess he got the death penalty? Well, cool by me but yeah imo he got off easy. Not only life in prison but a hard one. He is high profile so he will not be with the masses right in there but make him work and bleed until nature takes him away. He is young. That's way more equivalent to doing what he did to innocent people and innocent CHILDREN, than death imo. But hey, that hell place could indeed exist after all. Or if you're Catholic, the bad part of Purgatory, lol. Who knows about death is what I'm saying. Make him live through HELL without question is what I say

Yes, he got Death Penalty.  
The family of the youngest victim who was killed opposed death feeling life w/o parole more appropriate.  
Controversial to me because of this ---> Death or Life in SuperMax, which is worse.  

There is no GEN POP at SuperMax in Florence, CO. The only SuperMax U.S. Fed Prison. 23/Hr lockdown. No interaction with anybody. Built so prisoners can't see the Beatiful backdrop of the Smoky Mountains it sits under or the sky in general (not that they should, ijs).  Sensory depravation on steroids!  

Having this discussion with my mother earlier only to find out we're on opposing sides of the DP debate. Surprised I never knew that.  
Is it a generational thing?  

Hoping /Wishing all those affected by this heinous act a sense of closure/justice.  

 

And I agree with you about those in suits being worse! Lol

 
RC

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Definitely from where I come from. My thoughts can get long and complicated on this and I could write forever (lol) but of course this forum isn't for all that! :) As short as I can put it....most people I know who oppose the DP do it because of religion and not necessarily based on which direction is a more severe punishment. I've been around Christians most of my life as I'm sure a lot of us have, lol and that's what I find from people who oppose as their main reasoning. With that said, most of the ones in favor of the DB call themselves Christians too where I'm from! Lol. They confuse me but that's another topic. Christianity stems from the teachings of Jesus Christ is all. Go figure on how they get to the DP if they are "Christian" or any faith with similar principles as "Christ"tianity. Lol. I think younger Folks, even those who are religious, just have a different view by average on religion/beliefs to real-world, living/breathing tactics, punishments, solutions. Their minds are hybrids of those two if I'm making sense. A little bit more open, a little bit more complicated, more practical imo. Might have lost you and that's all my fault, lol. Apologies, typing fast. Shit flying in my head. Lol.

Ok, so no Gen Pop where he is going. Yeah. I would have preferred as a punishment that for sure. Death is the easy way out for him imo. With the knowledge I have not being dead, lol. Again, who knows what death brings if they're living? Seriously wish both "believers" and "atheists" would admit that! That's a whole other ball of wax too. Lol. Mercy! Smh.

As far as your mom, what was her reasoning for being opposed to the DP? Was it religious? If so, yes, I think it's possible there is a generational factor involved in her thinking if religion is thrown in. If not stemming from religion, then no. Not so much a generational factor involved. If I'm making any kind of sense. I get lose when I write some times, so apologies if I'm everywhere with this post to you. Lol.

Posted By: VipRC
Yes, he got Death Penalty.  
 The family of the youngest victim who was killed opposed death feeling life w/o parole more appropriate.  
 Controversial to me because of this ---> Death or Life in SuperMax, which is worse.  
   
 There is no GEN POP at SuperMax in Florence, CO. The only SuperMax U.S. Fed Prison. 23/Hr lockdown. No interaction with anybody. Built so prisoners can't see the Beatiful backdrop of the Smoky Mountains it sits under or the sky in general (not that they should, ijs).  Sensory depravation on steroids!  
   
 Having this discussion with my mother earlier only to find out we're on opposing sides of the DP debate. Surprised I never knew that.  
 Is it a generational thing?  
   
 Hoping /Wishing all those affected by this heinous act a sense of closure/justice.  
   
   
   
 And I agree with you about those in suits being worse! Lol  
   
   
 RC

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I give it a 0.0001% chance of actually happening. He is far more likely to be killed by a fellow inmate (as Jeffrey Dahmer was) or to die of old age. It is Massachusetts, not Texas.

I am conflicted on this decision. On one side,execute him and save tax payers who fund the imprisonment. On the other hand would evidence later under appeal find he didn't do it.  But if after all the appeals he will go through he is still found guilty --Off him.
If you believe in a God, leave it to him, she, or it to sort out where the convicted will spend in eternity.

I might have quit  school in ninth grade but I love to read.  
 Give me a book worth reading, five  minutes later I'll forget where I am.  
IMO  A good book  is better than a great movie any day.  
   
  Super Max prisoners are allowed a continual supply of books.
 
  The biggest problem I see, when  I request War and Peace or Last of the Mohicans the masochist guard on my block would likely  give me Alice's  Adventures in Wonderland and tell me he'll bring another book next month.
 Even worse, he'd give me Jim Carrey's greatest hits in paperback.  

  In that case I would prefer to be executed DPRK style, anti aircraft fire the following day.

IMO Dzhokhar  Tsarnaev was likely influenced by his brother. That's no excuse in my book.
  If I had followed some thugs I knew when growing up, I would likely be in prison with them.  
   
  He's  one of the worst, along the lines of McVeigh, guilty without any doubt.
 Like McVeigh he needs to be snuffed out ASAP.  
   
If I was in charge I'd execute the attorney who files an appeal.

But that should have been mentioned in the OP in order for the thread to stay on the GD.  :)

Kaczynski, Eric Robert Rudolph, Yuseef Ramsey, or The shoe bomber.  Lucky for him, he will be isolated for 23 hours ever day.  No Pardons or commutations from The Governor!  Not a chance!

Sorry man. Had to do. All fun. Lol. Loved the pic.

You look good in the police buggy!

Actually I saw General Discussion board and thought I'd post a current news event to generate dialogue.  
To discuss this hot button social issue called the DP.  

I've been watching coverage on the verdict all day and decided to pose the question to other like minded people and garner opinions.  

If there is another section this should be posted in please by all means move it


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I only play a cop here, and some call me the TER archivist, and I have no authority to move anything, but I do like to point put the obvious. :)
If you read the top left of this page you will see :

This is a moderated forum dedicated to discussing the hobby, erotica, and sex related subjects. Please note, flames and posts outside of the forum topics will be removed.
While I can't move a post, sometimes TER takes that rule seriously and deletes off topic threads or moves them to another board. Sometimes they'll wait for someone to post the RAP button. Personally I don't really care if your thread stays here, but by TER rules it would have been more appropriate on the Politics and Religion Board, or the Boston regional board.

LOL at your maze pic.


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he does not deserve to live.  But I wish he was not made a martyr.  Maybe dump pig guts on his grave.  (Like that would ever happen.)  Honestly, I think it would be better for him to die forgotten in some lonely prison...  barely a footnote in history.

SuperMax and we pay for his room and board, meals and health care until he is dead from old age. Death penalty and millions are spent on appeals for the next 10+ years while we are feeding, clothing, and housing him.

  Alert the City of Boston he will be released from custody on a specific day, time and place in Boston.  
Que Sera, Sera.

  I'm neither for nor against Capital punishment. It has its place; but ONLY when the evidence is BEYOND irrefutable.

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