Nicely said, but don't start writing like this on GD, I still have money on you for SPOTY, and well written, intelligent posts like this will knock you of the running in a heartbeat.
I have to say that I agree with you on all points.
And may piss off a few, if not many people.....but I have a question? This may be a huge repeat...but I haven't been here in awhile....BUT!!!! WHY!!!! Are women using heavy photo shopping! I have seen these ladies in person, and they look nothing like they do in photos. Maybe I am complaining, I do not photo shop. But, I think it's not fair or appropriate. When you get to their door, do they look like their photos? What do you do? I am seriously wondering what the gents think. This post may be removed...we'll see. I believe in being real. Yes, I put on weight, I lost the weight....I would never photo shop my body. I am really confused....what do you gents think? I am not putting anyone down particularly.... just, don't get it...I apologize if this is offensive to anyone....I just have noticed things...seeing a someone in person, and then their photos....NO comparison...unless it's the face.....
I apologize if I offend anyone, it's not my intent. I just want to know what the deal is? Do you guys show up and say OH YEA? OR, leave? SIGH....
Sorry for the rant....I just am wondering....thanks very much.
Khori
It gets the guy in the door, but he doesn't go back. Just my opinion
I don't really care who I offend.
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but I have to agree with your post. The practice of photo shopping, and the extent to which it is done, seems to be getting worse and worse with each passing year.
Nice to see you posting though
The photoshopping is out of control. If I see a photo by Aldo Antonio or whatever I basically just ignore it. He's not the only guilty party, but he's the poster child.
The M&G was so helpful to me. Was finally able to see what I actually needed to see. Booked three appointments since then (a lot for me since I'm out of town) because I knew I was actually attracted to what they are, not the fake photo they put up.
Providers like Grace, Veronica, Piper, and others have earned my respect (and my business) because they are real and not a photoshoped imagination.
Good examples, too. Ive met Veronica personally, and though i havent had the pleasure with the other two yet, i Have seen their pics. Ill have to watch for next meet n greet. Never thought id go. But, reading your post-may reconsider.
And. using Old pictures, is just as deceptive as altering new pics imo. All good experiencesso far except one in that respect. 4th review out tomorrow, but the 3rd one just posted.isthe disappointing one (n ga,but not atlanta). Its undermy alias now to avoid provider backlash-but i Did post it!
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You are 100 % lying. You have put up fake reviews of well known providers and continue to do so. I have no problem tying in your "fake" handle and your "real" handle.
Don't worry ALL the ladies have your MO well documented.
I have used several agencies and Indys in Atlanta and the ones that have impressed me the most with photos that match up very well is on the Indy side is Sabrina Star and on the agency side Atlanta Fantasies. Some Indys have been close and a fair representation and some agencies who I will not name heavily photoshop and "trim a little fat" in their pics....find what you like and stick with it.
It is good to know that you will meet the person you on the photos.
JFL, and ATF are also good when it comes to “not photo shopping” . You get what you see with JFL and ATF as well.
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Thanks! Keeping photos accurate is very important to me. Thanks again anonymousfun
Gentlemen. And so they bite their tongue and have sex with the woman who is ten years older and 20 lbs heavier then her pic. Disgusted with their choice to screw this this mockery of a sham they hold their tongue
While she just will...
Count de Monet
Guilty, too many times to admit. makes for very expensive blowjobs.
Usually disappointed. True, meet and greets help alot !
I shared this with my buddy gambler privately... I saw a provider back in 2012 and another in 2013 the pics were so Photoshopped that I nearly fainted when I saw them. They were very nice ladies so I still wrote a nice review.
I think Photoshopping is a way to rip-off and deceive clients not cool not cool at all trying to trick someone. Props to the Indies and agencies who use real photos, instead of fake deceiving, trickery Photoshopped bull shit pics!
Great post Khori and good to see you back. I wish another poster would come back JUST SAYING lol
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and I don't get it. Yes crop, blur or whatever but all the heavy altering of curves, features, skin, etc are out of control!
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Khori,
Is photoshop destroying our body image?
I say yes, if you let it. See link to article.
Props to Atlanta-Fantasies for their pics, it is one of the main reasons I chose their service and was not disappointed. Truth in advertising.
Use PhotoShop, don't abuse PhotoShop. Same goes for plastic surgery, tanning beds/solutions, exercise, drugs, alcohol, etc
I can't agree more. It is a relief that a provider spoke on it. When I mentioned it a few months before, I got blasted. It is a major turn off to have the door open to that surprise. But in my few experiences, you go through the session with a positive attitude, and let the review reflect the truth. It is not fair to the man paying for an altered image. If I order a filet mignon don't bring me a sirloin.. the price is different and so is the quality! That's my take..
And you're still wondering why you got blasted I'd wager?
But Accurate, true to life photos and good service will get the repeat calls.
Those heavily edited photos usually get called out in reviews. But I agree, it stinks.
And until more people start calling it out it will continue. Kudos to you for having the balls to say it.
That myth died 3 decades ago. When was the last time you saw truth in advertising?
Make up and lighting make a HUGE difference. If you run into a local newscaster, you'll know exactly what I mean. Many people do NOT look like their photographs
Providers using overly photoshopped photos is the equivalent to a client showing up with counterfeit money.
Just like the provider who's been shafted/shorted/ripped off, she becomes jaded with new prospects.
Clients who get the shaft w Providers using overly photoshopped photos become jaded with new prospects which reflects on me. Dealing with dudes that have a chip on their shoulder (and rightly so) makes things really hard and I just wish folks would play fair.
Hopefully, I misunderstood your post if not, could you please clarify the association between telling the news on TV and selling ass in person, thx
I understand your point. My point was that nobody looks as good in real life as they do with makeup and good lighting even without photoshop. The Six O'clock news guys and gals are exhibit one with that. Stuff that appears to be photoshop magic is really understanding color, lighting, makeup, setting, clothing and poses. There are poses that girls with a little belly will look better in; There are poses that less busty girls will look bustier than they really are. A little back arch goes a long way....
I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the Aldo type shots. I actually like well presented p*ssy. You just have to take them for what they are - illusion - and it mostly is NOT photoshop. Mix them up with some candids if you feel that the result just isn't quite right for you.
You don't sell *ss in person, you sell it on your website. And, I may say, a very fine *ss it appears to be. But that aside, what you are selling on your website is an expectation.
My opinion is that you need to decide what expectations you want your client to have. If you can't fulfill those expectations then you will not get repeat clients. The advantage of repeat clients is that you know that they will show up and pay you. So in the end, your competitors who oversell will hurt themselves.
As for the bitching - well, honestly, guys bitch. If it wasn't that - it would be something else, wives girlfriends, whatever. On the bright side, you do get paid to listen to it....
Wong answer. However, your comments along with the little history you have says enough t draw my conclusion, thanks girl
I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the Aldo type shots. I actually like well presented p*ssy. You just have to take them for what they are - illusion - and it mostly is NOT photoshop. Mix them up with some candids if you feel that the result just isn't quite right for you.
You don't sell *ss in person, you sell it on your website. And, I may say, a very fine *ss it appears to be. But that aside, what you are selling on your website is an expectation.
My opinion is that you need to decide what expectations you want your client to have. If you can't fulfill those expectations then you will not get repeat clients. The advantage of repeat clients is that you know that they will show up and pay you. So in the end, your competitors who oversell will hurt themselves.
As for the bitching - well, honestly, guys bitch. If it wasn't that - it would be something else, wives girlfriends, whatever. On the bright side, you do get paid to listen to it.....
I apologize if I offend anyone, it's not my intent. I just want to know what the deal is? Do you guys show up and say OH YEA? OR, leave? SIGH....
Sorry for the rant....I just am wondering....thanks very much.
So would it be proper etiquette for the hobbyist to decline the session.
Khori
I have noticed the increased frequency also. I've decided the more the lady's photo's are "shopped" then there is more for me to distrust about the accuracy of the photo. I won't see ladies with significantly "shopped" photos. For me, this is false advertising and a statement about the lady or agency's integrity.
Thank you for bringing up this topic. It is a reminder about why I've enjoyed our time together and that it's time for us to get together again.
Z
Welcome back and ... of course I really appreciate you being who you are well you already knew that.
TER doesn’t give you VIP for unapproved reviews. If you don’t include the called salacious details from a porn movie, time you spent writing the review goes to waste
skills that read between lines, follow certain reviewers' consitency, and
above all use your own gut check and develop back channels ...
I share your skepticim to an extent ... but ter reviews have helped
me over time; frankly it took me a lot of reading before I started
to be able to read them for their true worth ... there is a learning
curve I guess ...
I'd think deception on that level would give her a bad reputation that not many gentlemen would go see her in the first place. But, I guess she can catch noobs that way. Kinda sad. I'd feel ashamed and probably cry if a guy turned around and left after getting a look at me. LMAO
All men want it's to get what they though they were looking for.....and when she looks nothing like the pic it's a little disappointing....(but I agree with my fellow hobbyist - you just kind of suck it up - no pun intended lol- and make the most of it....) however, like SE said....I will not return....kind of like the "fool me once....." Mantra... That's why I only deal with reputable ladies (Khori being one of them....) and reputable agencies like AF, GC, SE, PM - they stand for integrity in their business and that matters....great post Khori!
MW
ecause you are gorgeous as you are.
I can only answer for myself, I have also seen many of these ladies in M&G so I don’t make dates with them. Second, if it is an agency which does heavy duty photo shopping, I stay away from them too. Third, when they look not to be real, I stay away from them. Fourth, if the photographer is Aldo, I stay away from them also.
Nicely said, but don't start writing like this on GD, I still have money on you for SPOTY, and well written, intelligent posts like this will knock you of the running in a heartbeat.
I have to say that I agree with you on all points.
You don’t when to keep your damn megalomaniac mouth shut. You and your shit head idea of “spotty”, whatever the heck it was.
From now on, my replies to your post shall include GaG/SH
but my money is still on you for SPOTY, you simply can't help yourself. lol
Now come on, give me a REAL comeback, something witty if you have it in you.
A "momo"!
Lol
I googled that but dumplings and a company came up. LOL Little help?
Lol
photoshop takes it to a new level. Most ad/site pics are professional with carefully done hair and "evening out" or better makeup. Often, the girl stepping out from behind the door has far less makeup on and less of the glamour look. I used to date some pageant winners so I like the contrast between the "go to prom" look and the "let's fuck" look, but some guys may expect the glam girl and be very disappointed. That's why I enjoy seeing a girl mix in a few candids occasionally. The contrast can be fun. However, heavy photoshopping takes it to a new dimension. That is IMHO a ripoff. I've been fortunate enough to have experienced it only once, however.
editing which become problematic, not merely photo shopping. Small individual "improvements" wouldn't bother me, but that's not what Khori is referring to. And many of us know which providers you are referring to , LOL. You looked great at the M&G btw.
IMHO photoshopping is NOT: doing basic color correction, adjusting color temperature, black point/contrast, exposure and/or saturation, perhaps adding a vignette, even something as subtle as whitening the eyes. These are all basics any photographer would or should do. To me photoshopping is trimming and slimming the body, or removing blemishes/marks. You can achieve so much in camera with the proper lighting, ISO setting, shutter speed, and f-stop (or aperture opening) that will give you depth of field and a nice background bokeh.
I completely agree with this.
I have some modeling background, and I have worked with all sorts of amazing photographers and always tried to be a part of the process from beginning to end. There are three main kinds of photo-shopping that I know of: Artistic, Correction, and WTF.
Artistic would be adding color filters or upping contrast. Stuff which might not really be feasible with the available lighting, but which adds an important artistic element to the shot. IE. The shot on the front of my website. It has been color filtered and besides blurring my eyes, that is it. The shot was an amazing shot, but I wanted it to mesh better with my websites theme, just to pull the front of the website together and keep viewer interest. I even don't like doing this and prefer real lighting shots, but I have seen beautiful filtered shots, so I'm not going to complain as much.
Correction is simple stuff like fixing red-eye. Something which might be ruining an otherwise great shot.
And WTF, exactly what the OP is talking about, making someone look younger, slimmer, etc. This, this is something which I personally despise. It happens so much in the fashion industry, and it is disgusting. A good photographer can make anyone look good in a shot, and this is just completely unnecessary!
Thanks everyone for the encouragement, and the answers. I think we all agree, HEAVY photo shopping is wrong and is actually cheating.
Thanks again...I love you all! xoxoxoxo
K
The question is really just are the photos a fair and/or accurate representation of the model? The deceptive practices are varied but the result is the same, to fool the client.
I submit there is absolutely zero difference between photoshopping, spackeling on makeup, or HIDING your flaws (the most egregious and common example is the 45 degree lean forward - come on you've had too many cheeseburgers and ice cream, but don't play me for a fool because of your body insecurities). Over fifty percent of the providers out there blatantly hide their stomachs. All revealing shots are covered in clothes or giant lingere, and the nudes have the lean in, or the one quarter profile or the frontal photo in doggie, or the lay on the bed on the stomach looking up pose, and my favorites are the sites where EVERY pose is a variation if those - never a naked or thong only belly shot. Why is any of that not dishonest as well? In the end the client will be just as fooled and still not with the girl he thought was in the picks! I think Photoshop is just the end result evidence of the slippery slope that started with the lean in.
What's worse is I think it's cultural, I have seen many ladies in Toronto and those photos are REAL, so far 100% accurate. No photoshopping, no hiding either! Just straight up this is me. Almost all hide their faces, that's just the nature if the business, but they don't hide what they don't have to. They do good lighting and dress up and pose professionally but it stops there. And almost all of the girls have a gut shot, or four or five gut shots! I say this not to say it is better in Toronto (it just is, that's obvious) I say it to propose THAT should be our model to emmulate here, that's exactly how the ladies here should do it. Google Mirage, Roommates, Sassy's Angels, Cupids and see the style of photos, and I can vouch that those photos are EXACTLY the girl, no surprises, I think it is a very good compromise - the girl still looks very sexy but the client gets what he sees.
Lol @ gut shot. I have one. Also cellulite, no make up and stretch marks pics. I really do not want to surprise anyone when I open that door. I usually wash my make up before bed as well, so on sleepovers I prefer he's not surprised then either. Being a chubby girl, I do have some insecurities, but for me it's important to let it all hang out in my photos. Men that aren't into fatties can easily move on to the next ad, and men that love big girls will think I'm very cute. I'm considering getting professional photos, but I'm not sure if its really worth it for part-time/temporary escorting.
I admire the Toronto gals for the gut shots lol. And your bravery for calling out even minor flattery/deception. 
I submit there is absolutely zero difference between photoshopping, spackeling on makeup, or HIDING your flaws (the most egregious and common example is the 45 degree lean forward - come on you've had too many cheeseburgers and ice cream, but don't play me for a fool because of your body insecurities). Over fifty percent of the providers out there blatantly hide their stomachs. All revealing shots are covered in clothes or giant lingere, and the nudes have the lean in, or the one quarter profile or the frontal photo in doggie, or the lay on the bed on the stomach looking up pose, and my favorites are the sites where EVERY pose is a variation if those - never a naked or thong only belly shot. Why is any of that not dishonest as well? In the end the client will be just as fooled and still not with the girl he thought was in the picks! I think Photoshop is just the end result evidence of the slippery slope that started with the lean in.
What's worse is I think it's cultural, I have seen many ladies in Toronto and those photos are REAL, so far 100% accurate. No photoshopping, no hiding either! Just straight up this is me. Almost all hide their faces, that's just the nature if the business, but they don't hide what they don't have to. They do good lighting and dress up and pose professionally but it stops there. And almost all of the girls have a gut shot, or four or five gut shots! I say this not to say it is better in Toronto (it just is, that's obvious) I say it to propose THAT should be our model to emmulate here, that's exactly how the ladies here should do it. Google Mirage, Roommates, Sassy's Angels, Cupids and see the style of photos, and I can vouch that those photos are EXACTLY the girl, no surprises, I think it is a very good compromise - the girl still looks very sexy but the client gets what he sees.
Khori,
It's great to see you back! I understand a little editing for
skin smoothing or blemish removal. That being said, using photo editing to completely change a body shape or weight is false advertising. I just can't imagine how nervous and uncomfortable I would feel if I was about to meet someone for the first time knowing that they're expecting to meet a twenty pound lighter version of myself.
Come to think of it, I may just borrow your question and pose it to the National Board.
How does a woman feel, knowing that the guy about to knock on her door is expecting someone ten years younger and twenty pounds lighter? Does she feel any shame that she has let herself go and needs to lie to get a guy to call her? or does she just get so jaded to the process that she just doesn't give a fuck anymore?
Perfectly said. Why I love you.
It's great to see you back! I understand a little editing for
skin smoothing or blemish removal. That being said, using photo editing to completely change a body shape or weight is false advertising. I just can't imagine how nervous and uncomfortable I would feel if I was about to meet someone for the first time knowing that they're expecting to meet a twenty pound lighter version of myself.
My hair was at my back and grew to my ass.....Plus, I don't really wear a lot of make up. My Hair now is super straight, it's just that long. My face is the same....If I looked different....well....I can't say anything about that....maybe, LIKE ME, you need glasses....I just got contacts....I'm blind as hell....take care...xoxoxox
K
Just saying it like it is...I'm not here to please all men....just the ones that want me...if you don't want me, be on your way. I mean no offense or ill will...I just don't give a fuck. IF you like me, FUCK me, if you don't, be on your way...OH, did I mention, be on your way? WANT......DON'T WANT??????......you're decision..... btw.....I am a cute hot FUCK....
Thanks...
K
I agree with you, although I'm not quite that ballsy to word it that way. But, it's true. Obviously there are a lot of men who like fatties because I got booked for the next two weeks within a few hours of my first review posting. LOL
Thanks...
K
Brutally honest gotta love that
Thanks...
K
Good post.
When I get to the door the provider better be the gal in the photos....OR MORE ATTRACTIVE!
If the provider is not the gal in the photos and less attractive....I will politely excuse myself.
In my view this is bait and switch activity and when hobbyists stay for the appointment when this occurs they are only encouraging the behavior.
My concern is that is one is willing to deceive me to get me to the door their is a likelihood that that they may attempt to deceive me after I hand over the donation.
To me it is the same thing as me showing up and offering 75% of the required donation which will likely be either refused OR taken on false pretenses as the appointment will be over very shortly due to refused performance.
My view is that there should not be any negative surprises for either party or the risk increases dramatically that the session will not go well as the mood will likely be broken and will likely lead to session regret.
I understand where you're coming from, but doing that to a provider, she may put you on her DNS list and don't forget those BL sites.
I do agree with everything you've said though
Personally I will turn right around, and I am not really that concerned about being polite, especially if it was a downright B&S.
As fot the BL lists, I'll take my chances. Somehow I doubt getting put on a BL list by a known rip off isn't going to ruin my life.
And she has us on her DNS list, somehow I don't think we get clearance to bang one of her provider friends.
We have to way the different pros and cons of walking out. I understand why a guy would choose to walk out on a lying chick, but he has to decide is it worth potential fallout of doing so.
I agree with you and Yankee, I'm just saying is it worth the potential fallout
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There is no option but to walk out, going through with a B&S ROB woman only encourages her and other women to do more of the same.
The only question is whether to leave politely or not so politely, but dude you can't possibly be recommending going through with a session with a woman who has lied to get you in the door, simply to appease her into not DNSing you to her friends. That's about the most cowardly thing I have ever heard of. Please tell me that I am simply misreading your post. PLEASE.
For the record, I absolutely REFUSE to go through with a session with a woman who has grossly misrepresented herself to me. I further refuse to give her cab fare, gas money or any kind of cancellation fee, NOT A FUCKING PENNY, not if I know it was intentional, and you always know.
Now before the nice folks here start going off about what if you two just don't click and she is only slightly older/heavier or whatever than her pics. That's a completely different matter IMO. What I am talking about is outright fraud,not lack of chemistry, and I am not going to reward outright fraud with a single penny, and anyone who does, gives up his right to complain about it IMO, because the guys who don't stand up to it are a huge part of the problems themselves.
But like you said in your second to last sentence, what if she is older and heavier than her pics would suggest do you still walk?
I wouldn't walk in that type of situation, on the other-hand I wouldn't fault a guy if he di
If she is older and fatter to the degree that I feel deceived, yes I will walk and not leave a penny. OTOH if she is simply not as hot as her glam (not photo shopped) pictures, and is still obviously the lady in the ad, as long as I am still attracted to her I will go through with the session. After all, I don't really expect any woman to look as good as her glam shots.
What I am talking about is an intentional effort to deceive, we all know it when we see it, and I for one will not reward it, and I would urge every other guy here to do the same.
The two photo shopped instances I told you about, I sure wanted to walk
Maybe one day a little bit of you will rub off on me LOL
I didn't mean to start a crazy thread...although it's gotten there...every one has their opinion...and I totally respect that! I just want the ladies who over shop it, to stop. (That'll never happen)
Be natural, be yourself, and you'll be more respected. Everyone has a certain body type...there is someone for everyone-----HOW often has that been said???
I think when you are phony, it makes guys think the real ones are phony too....I'm talking photo shopping. YES, we do pose on our "best" side. YES we do wear outfits that make us look good/better...but, why would I make a pose that makes me look like shit? LOL! Candid's are good, they show a little more reality...PRO pics are a bit more glamorized. I DO NOT photoshop. You get what you see...although I will blur my face...
Let's all be HONEST!!! No one wants to deal with bullshit!
Ok, I think I've said enough....
I love you guys.... xoxoxo
SK
get it, personally I do feel I like representing Ladies with professional photos, but our photographer I never allowed to edit the photos. I did the editing myself and I am not Pro at it, but I do like adjusting the lighting to make it more balanced and to bring out colors. I did take out tattoos if they were small for ladies discretion, I would tell Ladies if they did not want their tattoos showing in photos then they really needed to cover them up.
I do find that some photography lighting can add extra weight and even the wrong lighting can make little creases look like canyons so sometimes I would fix that, other then that I am pretty good at telling a lady what is best to wear to flatter here and how to pose, it is all a matter of having a good photographer to pose the model good too. Anyone can look like crap in a picture if it is taken wrong, I just look for the good flattering pictures and always do the minimum just to provide a REALISTIC yet professional quality photo.
Thank you