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CltLuvr
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Prostitution is legal in Amsterdam yet you would be hard pressed to witness BJ's in a narrow walkway between two buildings, with the exception, behind closed doors in a Red Light alley.
Partaking of Cannabis is not a criminal offense for Dutch citizens in Holland, yet you would have more difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities.
Unfortunately, many ignorant people in America believe rudeness accompanied by a thug demeanor is a prerequisite to the cool factor .
Little do they know, they present themselves to many others, as truly ignorant uncivilized fools.
A Gentlemen or an intelligent heathen in any country, would never blow cannabis smoke or receive a BJ in public, in the proximity of Mothers, Grandmas or children, or in private, near children.
In private it's fine to have your kind of fun, with any willing Mom or Grannie you might find, even when your friends don't find her attractive. 
Whatever two consenting adults do in private is not. If prostitution were legal... It would be mainstream. There would be ads for it on TV. You would be approached by street walkers everywhere you went. Families would be walking past guys getting blow jobs in ally ways. Do you really want that?
Prostitution is legal in Amsterdam yet you would be hard pressed to witness BJ's in a narrow walkway between two buildings, with the exception, behind closed doors in a Red Light alley.
Partaking of Cannabis is not a criminal offense for Dutch citizens in Holland, yet you would have more difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities.
Unfortunately, many ignorant people in America believe rudeness accompanied by a thug demeanor is a prerequisite to the cool factor .
Little do they know, they present themselves to many others, as truly ignorant uncivilized fools.
A Gentlemen or an intelligent heathen in any country, would never blow cannabis smoke or receive a BJ in public, in the proximity of Mothers, Grandmas or children, or in private, near children.
In private it's fine to have your kind of fun, with any willing Mom or Grannie you might find, even when your friends don't find her attractive.
Amsterdam resident for a few years now with some points to make - firstly, smoking cannabis is illegal, however the law is not enforced. I used to buy my weed from a place that was, no exaggeration, 50 yards from a police station - you could see one building from the window of the other, and vice versa. I have handed a 3g bag to a police officer who passed it back to me and told me to enjoy. Possession of more than 5 grams or 5 plants will get you busted though - the exceptions being licensed coffee shops where it is legal to sell, however even collecting product from growers is exceptionally murky legally speaking. Similarly in these coffee shops it's also not legal to smoke tobacco, and the fines are quite incredibly harsh for the shop if they get caught. Partaking of Cannabis is not a criminal offense for Dutch citizens in Holland, yet you would have more difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities.
Unfortunately, many ignorant people in America believe rudeness accompanied by a thug demeanor is a prerequisite to the cool factor .
Little do they know, they present themselves to many others, as truly ignorant uncivilized fools.
A Gentlemen or an intelligent heathen in any country, would never blow cannabis smoke or receive a BJ in public, in the proximity of Mothers, Grandmas or children, or in private, near children.
In private it's fine to have your kind of fun, with any willing Mom or Grannie you might find, even when your friends don't find her attractive.
Bottom line, what some believe is a demonstration of truth, is often much farther from reality
than they imagine.
Prostitution is legal in Amsterdam yet you would be hard pressed to witness BJ's in a narrow walkway between two buildings, with the exception, behind closed doors in a Red Light alley.
Partaking of Cannabis is not a criminal offense for Dutch citizens in Holland, yet you would have more difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities.
Unfortunately, many ignorant people in America believe rudeness accompanied by a thug demeanor is a prerequisite to the cool factor .
Little do they know, they present themselves to many others, as truly ignorant uncivilized fools.
A Gentlemen or an intelligent heathen in any country, would never blow cannabis smoke or receive a BJ in public, in the proximity of Mothers, Grandmas or children, or in private, near children.
In private it's fine to have your kind of fun, with any willing Mom or Grannie you might find, even when your friends don't find her attractive.
Partaking of Cannabis is not a criminal offense for Dutch citizens in Holland, yet you would have more difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities.
Unfortunately, many ignorant people in America believe rudeness accompanied by a thug demeanor is a prerequisite to the cool factor .
Little do they know, they present themselves to many others, as truly ignorant uncivilized fools.
A Gentlemen or an intelligent heathen in any country, would never blow cannabis smoke or receive a BJ in public, in the proximity of Mothers, Grandmas or children, or in private, near children.
In private it's fine to have your kind of fun, with any willing Mom or Grannie you might find, even when your friends don't find her attractive.
Amsterdam resident for a few years now with some points to make - firstly, smoking cannabis is illegal, however the law is not enforced. I used to buy my weed from a place that was, no exaggeration, 50 yards from a police station - you could see one building from the window of the other, and vice versa. I have handed a 3g bag to a police officer who passed it back to me and told me to enjoy. Possession of more than 5 grams or 5 plants will get you busted though - the exceptions being licensed coffee shops where it is legal to sell, however even collecting product from growers is exceptionally murky legally speaking. Similarly in these coffee shops it's also not legal to smoke tobacco, and the fines are quite incredibly harsh for the shop if they get caught.
To say that you would have difficulty finding citizens smoking weed in the streets just demonstrates that you have never been to this remarkable, odd city. In other cities in the Netherlands it's certainly a lot less likely, but in the centre of Amsterdam it's pretty easy to walk down the street, take a deep breath, and be able to figure out which tourist isn't smoking just tobacco.
As for the red light district/cannabis and mothers, grandmothers and children - I've seen it all. It's not at all uncommon to see a young child walking around the red light district with his/her parents, and again, as this is where all the tourists are, so is the weed. You cannot move for large parties of older tourists, mostly Asian, in the same area.
Bottom line is, not everything is as you might think until you see it for yourself. Still no BJs down alleyways though.
I originally wrote technically legal, edited out legal before posting, to avoid confusion.
Changed my original line to "not a criminal defense" .
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No matter what, there are always those easily confused with technicalities, while grasping at thin straws .
75% of the coffee shops in Amsterdam sell cannabis.
I said you would have "MORE difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities"
By citizens I was speaking of Dutch citizens, not tourasses from America or other foreigners with no respect for their surroundings and foreign lands they visit.
There are exceptions to every generalization. One of the points I stand by, as a whole the Dutch are more civilized and polite than Americans, with the exception of some Dutch soccer fans .
The families you see in the Red Light district with children are rarely Dutch citizens.
You should get out a little more, early morning, late night during the week, when the Friday Saturday older Asian crowds who block your view and movement are somewhere else.
I might be wrong, everything I learned about Amsterdam I heard from a Dutch GF who moved to Hoboken U.S.A after working in the Amsterdam red light district and bordellos in Rotterdam, a house boat bordello in Ultrecht , a members only bordello in Alkmaar.
She moved to America when the last place she was working, Yab Yum was closed.
She never complained about older Asians on Asian night, only Turks on Turkey night.
Bottom line, what some believe is a demonstration of truth, is often much farther from reality
than they imagine.
Amsterdam resident for a few years now with some points to make - firstly, smoking cannabis is illegal, however the law is not enforced. I used to buy my weed from a place that was, no exaggeration, 50 yards from a police station - you could see one building from the window of the other, and vice versa. I have handed a 3g bag to a police officer who passed it back to me and told me to enjoy. Possession of more than 5 grams or 5 plants will get you busted though - the exceptions being licensed coffee shops where it is legal to sell, however even collecting product from growers is exceptionally murky legally speaking. Similarly in these coffee shops it's also not legal to smoke tobacco, and the fines are quite incredibly harsh for the shop if they get caught.
To say that you would have difficulty finding citizens smoking weed in the streets just demonstrates that you have never been to this remarkable, odd city. In other cities in the Netherlands it's certainly a lot less likely, but in the centre of Amsterdam it's pretty easy to walk down the street, take a deep breath, and be able to figure out which tourist isn't smoking just tobacco.
As for the red light district/cannabis and mothers, grandmothers and children - I've seen it all. It's not at all uncommon to see a young child walking around the red light district with his/her parents, and again, as this is where all the tourists are, so is the weed. You cannot move for large parties of older tourists, mostly Asian, in the same area.
Bottom line is, not everything is as you might think until you see it for yourself. Still no BJs down alleyways though.
Yep, I love being told how the city I live is by someone who hasn't set foot in it. Quite a bit of your information here is at best outdated and at worst completely incorrect, but whatever. Let's not hijack this post with what is essentially a glorified TripAdvisor post.Changed my original line to "not a criminal defense" .
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No matter what, there are always those easily confused with technicalities, while grasping at thin straws .
75% of the coffee shops in Amsterdam sell cannabis.
I said you would have "MORE difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities"
By citizens I was speaking of Dutch citizens, not tourasses from America or other foreigners with no respect for their surroundings and foreign lands they visit.
There are exceptions to every generalization. One of the points I stand by, as a whole the Dutch are more civilized and polite than Americans, with the exception of some Dutch soccer fans .
The families you see in the Red Light district with children are rarely Dutch citizens.
You should get out a little more, early morning, late night during the week, when the Friday Saturday older Asian crowds who block your view and movement are somewhere else.
I might be wrong, everything I learned about Amsterdam I heard from a Dutch GF who moved to Hoboken U.S.A after working in the Amsterdam red light district and bordellos in Rotterdam, a house boat bordello in Ultrecht , a members only bordello in Alkmaar.
She moved to America when the last place she was working, Yab Yum was closed.
She never complained about older Asians on Asian night, only Turks on Turkey night.
Bottom line, what some believe is a demonstration of truth, is often much farther from reality
than they imagine.
Prostitution is legal in Amsterdam yet you would be hard pressed to witness BJ's in a narrow walkway between two buildings, with the exception, behind closed doors in a Red Light alley.
Partaking of Cannabis is not a criminal offense for Dutch citizens in Holland, yet you would have more difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities.
Unfortunately, many ignorant people in America believe rudeness accompanied by a thug demeanor is a prerequisite to the cool factor .
Little do they know, they present themselves to many others, as truly ignorant uncivilized fools.
A Gentlemen or an intelligent heathen in any country, would never blow cannabis smoke or receive a BJ in public, in the proximity of Mothers, Grandmas or children, or in private, near children.
In private it's fine to have your kind of fun, with any willing Mom or Grannie you might find, even when your friends don't find her attractive.
Partaking of Cannabis is not a criminal offense for Dutch citizens in Holland, yet you would have more difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities.
Unfortunately, many ignorant people in America believe rudeness accompanied by a thug demeanor is a prerequisite to the cool factor .
Little do they know, they present themselves to many others, as truly ignorant uncivilized fools.
A Gentlemen or an intelligent heathen in any country, would never blow cannabis smoke or receive a BJ in public, in the proximity of Mothers, Grandmas or children, or in private, near children.
In private it's fine to have your kind of fun, with any willing Mom or Grannie you might find, even when your friends don't find her attractive.
Amsterdam resident for a few years now with some points to make - firstly, smoking cannabis is illegal, however the law is not enforced. I used to buy my weed from a place that was, no exaggeration, 50 yards from a police station - you could see one building from the window of the other, and vice versa. I have handed a 3g bag to a police officer who passed it back to me and told me to enjoy. Possession of more than 5 grams or 5 plants will get you busted though - the exceptions being licensed coffee shops where it is legal to sell, however even collecting product from growers is exceptionally murky legally speaking. Similarly in these coffee shops it's also not legal to smoke tobacco, and the fines are quite incredibly harsh for the shop if they get caught.
To say that you would have difficulty finding citizens smoking weed in the streets just demonstrates that you have never been to this remarkable, odd city. In other cities in the Netherlands it's certainly a lot less likely, but in the centre of Amsterdam it's pretty easy to walk down the street, take a deep breath, and be able to figure out which tourist isn't smoking just tobacco.
As for the red light district/cannabis and mothers, grandmothers and children - I've seen it all. It's not at all uncommon to see a young child walking around the red light district with his/her parents, and again, as this is where all the tourists are, so is the weed. You cannot move for large parties of older tourists, mostly Asian, in the same area.
Bottom line is, not everything is as you might think until you see it for yourself. Still no BJs down alleyways though.
Perhaps I have lived a more sheltered, easily influenced life than I imagined
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I had no reason to suspect my Dutch ex GF would lie to me about the Dutch civilized nature, congeniality, and respect toward other peoples feelings, until now.
According to you it looks like the joke is on me.
I had to google TripAdvisor, never been there.
Nice site Bro, thanks for the traveling tip.
If I'm ever able to save enough money to travel outside Hoboken I'll be sure to check
out TripAdvisor first, if I don't eat space cake and forget before I purchase tickets .
No sense in me carrying on about somewhere I've never been.
Outdated or not, I am always willing to learn.
I originally wrote technically legal, edited out legal before posting, to avoid confusion.
Changed my original line to "not a criminal defense" .
.
No matter what, there are always those easily confused with technicalities, while grasping at thin straws .
75% of the coffee shops in Amsterdam sell cannabis.
I said you would have "MORE difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities"
By citizens I was speaking of Dutch citizens, not tourasses from America or other foreigners with no respect for their surroundings and foreign lands they visit.
There are exceptions to every generalization. One of the points I stand by, as a whole the Dutch are more civilized and polite than Americans, with the exception of some Dutch soccer fans .
The families you see in the Red Light district with children are rarely Dutch citizens.
You should get out a little more, early morning, late night during the week, when the Friday Saturday older Asian crowds who block your view and movement are somewhere else.
I might be wrong, everything I learned about Amsterdam I heard from a Dutch GF who moved to Hoboken U.S.A after working in the Amsterdam red light district and bordellos in Rotterdam, a house boat bordello in Ultrecht , a members only bordello in Alkmaar.
She moved to America when the last place she was working, Yab Yum was closed.
She never complained about older Asians on Asian night, only Turks on Turkey night.
Bottom line, what some believe is a demonstration of truth, is often much farther from reality
than they imagine.
Amsterdam resident for a few years now with some points to make - firstly, smoking cannabis is illegal, however the law is not enforced. I used to buy my weed from a place that was, no exaggeration, 50 yards from a police station - you could see one building from the window of the other, and vice versa. I have handed a 3g bag to a police officer who passed it back to me and told me to enjoy. Possession of more than 5 grams or 5 plants will get you busted though - the exceptions being licensed coffee shops where it is legal to sell, however even collecting product from growers is exceptionally murky legally speaking. Similarly in these coffee shops it's also not legal to smoke tobacco, and the fines are quite incredibly harsh for the shop if they get caught.
To say that you would have difficulty finding citizens smoking weed in the streets just demonstrates that you have never been to this remarkable, odd city. In other cities in the Netherlands it's certainly a lot less likely, but in the centre of Amsterdam it's pretty easy to walk down the street, take a deep breath, and be able to figure out which tourist isn't smoking just tobacco.
As for the red light district/cannabis and mothers, grandmothers and children - I've seen it all. It's not at all uncommon to see a young child walking around the red light district with his/her parents, and again, as this is where all the tourists are, so is the weed. You cannot move for large parties of older tourists, mostly Asian, in the same area.
Bottom line is, not everything is as you might think until you see it for yourself. Still no BJs down alleyways though.
Changed my original line to "not a criminal defense" .
.
No matter what, there are always those easily confused with technicalities, while grasping at thin straws .
75% of the coffee shops in Amsterdam sell cannabis.
I said you would have "MORE difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities"
By citizens I was speaking of Dutch citizens, not tourasses from America or other foreigners with no respect for their surroundings and foreign lands they visit.
There are exceptions to every generalization. One of the points I stand by, as a whole the Dutch are more civilized and polite than Americans, with the exception of some Dutch soccer fans .
The families you see in the Red Light district with children are rarely Dutch citizens.
You should get out a little more, early morning, late night during the week, when the Friday Saturday older Asian crowds who block your view and movement are somewhere else.
I might be wrong, everything I learned about Amsterdam I heard from a Dutch GF who moved to Hoboken U.S.A after working in the Amsterdam red light district and bordellos in Rotterdam, a house boat bordello in Ultrecht , a members only bordello in Alkmaar.
She moved to America when the last place she was working, Yab Yum was closed.
She never complained about older Asians on Asian night, only Turks on Turkey night.
Bottom line, what some believe is a demonstration of truth, is often much farther from reality
than they imagine.
Prostitution is legal in Amsterdam yet you would be hard pressed to witness BJ's in a narrow walkway between two buildings, with the exception, behind closed doors in a Red Light alley.
Partaking of Cannabis is not a criminal offense for Dutch citizens in Holland, yet you would have more difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities.
Unfortunately, many ignorant people in America believe rudeness accompanied by a thug demeanor is a prerequisite to the cool factor .
Little do they know, they present themselves to many others, as truly ignorant uncivilized fools.
A Gentlemen or an intelligent heathen in any country, would never blow cannabis smoke or receive a BJ in public, in the proximity of Mothers, Grandmas or children, or in private, near children.
In private it's fine to have your kind of fun, with any willing Mom or Grannie you might find, even when your friends don't find her attractive.
Partaking of Cannabis is not a criminal offense for Dutch citizens in Holland, yet you would have more difficultly finding citizens smoking cannabis on public streets in Amsterdam, than you would in major U.S. cities.
Unfortunately, many ignorant people in America believe rudeness accompanied by a thug demeanor is a prerequisite to the cool factor .
Little do they know, they present themselves to many others, as truly ignorant uncivilized fools.
A Gentlemen or an intelligent heathen in any country, would never blow cannabis smoke or receive a BJ in public, in the proximity of Mothers, Grandmas or children, or in private, near children.
In private it's fine to have your kind of fun, with any willing Mom or Grannie you might find, even when your friends don't find her attractive.
Amsterdam resident for a few years now with some points to make - firstly, smoking cannabis is illegal, however the law is not enforced. I used to buy my weed from a place that was, no exaggeration, 50 yards from a police station - you could see one building from the window of the other, and vice versa. I have handed a 3g bag to a police officer who passed it back to me and told me to enjoy. Possession of more than 5 grams or 5 plants will get you busted though - the exceptions being licensed coffee shops where it is legal to sell, however even collecting product from growers is exceptionally murky legally speaking. Similarly in these coffee shops it's also not legal to smoke tobacco, and the fines are quite incredibly harsh for the shop if they get caught.
To say that you would have difficulty finding citizens smoking weed in the streets just demonstrates that you have never been to this remarkable, odd city. In other cities in the Netherlands it's certainly a lot less likely, but in the centre of Amsterdam it's pretty easy to walk down the street, take a deep breath, and be able to figure out which tourist isn't smoking just tobacco.
As for the red light district/cannabis and mothers, grandmothers and children - I've seen it all. It's not at all uncommon to see a young child walking around the red light district with his/her parents, and again, as this is where all the tourists are, so is the weed. You cannot move for large parties of older tourists, mostly Asian, in the same area.
Bottom line is, not everything is as you might think until you see it for yourself. Still no BJs down alleyways though.
Yep, I love being told how the city I live is by someone who hasn't set foot in it. Quite a bit of your information here is at best outdated and at worst completely incorrect, but whatever. Let's not hijack this post with what is essentially a glorified TripAdvisor post.
I think it's an emotion that has been ingrained into the social consciousness for far too long now. Take my wife (seriously, please take her 
) for example. She's a liberal, wishy-washy Wiccan, raised by a pair of hippies. She's a feminist in the original sense (equality for all), very open sexually, "never be judgmental of others" attitude, etc. but when it comes to prostitution she discusses it as though the topic is infanticide. She can't articulate her revulsion to it, but she feels it. Just the other day we were discussing open relationships and she told me that she would like it if I had anonymous sex with other women as long as I don't fall in love with any of them. I mentioned prostitutes as a perfect solution, to which she replied "if you fucked a whore I'd cut off your dick with a rusted knife and then throw it into the garbage disposal." Why? What's the difference between a random stranger I met at a bar versus a prostitute? She couldn't say. She didn't even want to try to explain it. In her view I can fuck freely as long as it's not with a prostitute. She has no religious, political, or ideological motivation to this feeling, she's just grown up in a culture that doesn't tolerate it and she's never been willing to challenge her beliefs with logic.
I've not really delved far into the issue, but it is my feeling that public opinion (in the US) is pretty strongly opposed to legalized prostitution. Of course the public follows wherever it is led, so I'm wondering, what are the institutions driving the belief that prostitution is degrading and evil?
First thing that comes to mind is the Church, but it seems to me this country is growing more and more secular, and yet the hatred of prostitution remains. Also it occurred to me that throughout European (and probably world) history, prostitution has flourished even while religion hovered near zenith of its power. I wonder why modern America is different.
The "gender wars" in this country is a mess I hate to step into, but I feel it is probably relevant to this issue. The demonization of the male and the supposed empowerment of women seems to encourage the idea that the explicit sale of sex is yet another form of male victimizing female.
Lastly I think that individuals selling sex cuts into the profit of big business. One of the greatest selling tools is exciting and then exploiting the sexual urge. Everywhere in advertising and media we are tantalized with the image of sex, and being barred from buying the thing itself, we can only spend on the products we are made to associate with it. To make people spend endlessly, they must be kept hungry and dissatisfied... thus sex loses its power as a selling tool if people are allowed to fulfill their urges.
Anyway those are my thoughts. I'm curious to hear what others think of this subject.
First thing that comes to mind is the Church, but it seems to me this country is growing more and more secular, and yet the hatred of prostitution remains. Also it occurred to me that throughout European (and probably world) history, prostitution has flourished even while religion hovered near zenith of its power. I wonder why modern America is different.
The "gender wars" in this country is a mess I hate to step into, but I feel it is probably relevant to this issue. The demonization of the male and the supposed empowerment of women seems to encourage the idea that the explicit sale of sex is yet another form of male victimizing female.
Lastly I think that individuals selling sex cuts into the profit of big business. One of the greatest selling tools is exciting and then exploiting the sexual urge. Everywhere in advertising and media we are tantalized with the image of sex, and being barred from buying the thing itself, we can only spend on the products we are made to associate with it. To make people spend endlessly, they must be kept hungry and dissatisfied... thus sex loses its power as a selling tool if people are allowed to fulfill their urges.
Anyway those are my thoughts. I'm curious to hear what others think of this subject.
