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Can China and Japan be allies?
JohnyComeAlready 512 reads
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I can't foresee America going against China for financial reasons, so is America railing against Japan through NK?  

Couldn't China go up against NK with out much of a fight?

I would think the same goes for Japan... Which goes back to my original question, can the two dominate Asian powers unite against NK, and do they need to.

Finally, again back to my first question. Does America need to be the middle man between Japan and China? That would seem to be in America's best interest, if that were indeed true.

quadseasonal1896 reads

North Korea is not a credible threat to the U.S.A. or the rest of the World, at this time in history.  
   
  Why not give peace talks a chance in 2015, absent of unnecessary, blustering saber rattling ?  
 
    If military leaders and government officials  could step back a bit, while avoiding war games, threats and sanctions against the North, and North and South become United again, those leaders   legacies  would be viewed as great, without the potential of future History books proclaiming, the end was caused by arrogant self centered men, doing too little too late .  
 
  Against numerous adversaries in years gone by, bluster is most absent of positive results.
  It's much more productive  to give Peace a fighting chance, without  stirring up a war.

  A Chihuahua  with no chance to win the  fight, and no  credible threat to a big dog,  will often bite, when backed into a  corner.  
  Some small bites can spread  major infections.  

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-leader-kim-jong-un-says-open-to-summit-with-south/ar-BBhpeTK

Related Link: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-leader-kim-jong-un-says-open-to-summit-...

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mattradd442 reads

That's not what I'm hearing from them.

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JohnyComeAlready513 reads

I can't foresee America going against China for financial reasons, so is America railing against Japan through NK?  

Couldn't China go up against NK with out much of a fight?

I would think the same goes for Japan... Which goes back to my original question, can the two dominate Asian powers unite against NK, and do they need to.

Finally, again back to my first question. Does America need to be the middle man between Japan and China? That would seem to be in America's best interest, if that were indeed true.

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WickedBrut443 reads

But China also says, "Don't go kicking my dog around." Too Zen, and not in a good way.

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inicky46643 reads

North Korea is a huge danger, and in many ways.  Most directly to South Korea.  Seoul is within range of N. Korean cannons dug into mountain caves near the DMZ that can inflict huge damage.  And while the N. Koreans have not yet been able to weaponize a nuke (so far as we know) that can be put on a rocket, they can't be that far away.
They also sold nuclear knowledge and probably centrifuges to the Iranians, who are the world's second most dangerous country after North Korea.  They print counterfeit dollars and sell heroin to finance the lifestyle of a leadership which is basically little more than a paranoid criminal gang.
But they are the greatest danger to their own people, who are basically slaves to the regime.  It is a classically inbred and unstable, violent bunch of nut jobs.  To not put the squeeze on them and fail to have a clear deterrent would be madness

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WickedBrut504 reads

And the struggle would not only drag other into the fray, it would create a distraction for Iran and others, and an excuse to accelerate programs toward developing munition-grade capability.

But how long do you think it will be before "something has to be done" about North Korea?

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GaGambler554 reads

Not until Kim does something so provocative that who ever is in power at the time simply can not look the other way.

"Doing something" about NK is a very high risk, low reward proposition for any administration to take on. Unfortunately the best current policy I can think of it to simply insist that "China keep a tight leash on their dog" There is not much that we can do besides that. We aren't going to invade them, sanctions alone wont' do it. Unilateral talks with them only validate their behavior, and increases Kim's standing in the "America hating" countries of the world.

Unfortunately this is one can that really needs to continue to be kicked down the road. Inaction is probably preferable to action, considering our limited options that we have available.

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JohnyComeAlready568 reads

Perhaps through it's ally the UK, is take control of Crimea. Since the U.S. has current sanctions levied against both Russia, and NK. Unless you, along with the USD can continue to take a cut in oil revenue.  

Posted By: GaGambler
Not until Kim does something so provocative that who ever is in power at the time simply can not look the other way.

"Doing something" about NK is a very high risk, low reward proposition for any administration to take on. Unfortunately the best current policy I can think of it to simply insist that "China keep a tight leash on their dog" There is not much that we can do besides that. We aren't going to invade them, sanctions alone wont' do it. Unilateral talks with them only validate their behavior, and increases Kim's standing in the "America hating" countries of the world.  

Unfortunately this is one can that really needs to continue to be kicked down the road. Inaction is probably preferable to action, considering our limited options that we have available.

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GaGambler567 reads

If so, please return to the back of the class, Oil is falling in price partly due to the STRONG dollar, not weakness in the dollar.

As for lower oil prices, they hurt me, but I don't whine about things I can't control. and the positives actually out weigh the negatives for the US consumer and economy. An extended period of $50 oil would be great for this economy, the jobs lost in the oil sector would be replace in virtually every other aspect of our economy.

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JohnyComeAlready498 reads

Which devalues foreign currencies, off shore is where the majority of growth is taking place(emerging markets). In return these emerging markets won't be able to borrow as many USD from banks. Less borrowing power = less spending power which will drive down the demand for oil. Cheaper oil prices = a stronger dollar which drives the price of foreign currency down, this cycle will eventually lead to a weaker dollar.

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GaGambler489 reads

I feel almost like I am having this discussion with AF or WW.

You and I "discussing" international economics and what drives interest rates, various currencies and the price of commodities is akin to a professor of higher mathematics trying to have a conversation about nuclear physics with a first grader.

I think you would be better suited talking one of the other mouth breathers here. I am sorry, but on the off chance that stupidity is contagious, I am done with this conversation.

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JohnyComeAlready385 reads

out of the WillY Wonka school of economics. I read this somewhere, and it didn't make much sense

Related Link: http://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/Ten-Reasons-Why-A-Sustained-Drop-In-Oil-Prices-Co...

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GaGambler444 reads

If you had wrote this article I would have called you an idiot (and did), but after reading it (rather quickly I will admit) I am convinced the actual author is not a moron, but rather a self serving liar.

Keep in mind I am an oil man and I WANT high prices, but even a self serving asshole like me has at least some obligation to the truth, and the truth is, almost everything in the article is overblown or just a plain outright lie.

The low oil prices on the 80's gave way to the economic boom that lasted a good twenty plus years. I am a big fan of Reagan, but without the "oil bust" of the mid 80's our recovery would have been very slow and painful.

I don't have the time or inclination to comment on every part of the article, but I will skip to the conclusion, low oil prices will lead to increased consumption and reduced supply, just like it always does, and that in turn will lead to higher prices in the future, just like it always does. It is simply a cycle that will continue to repeat itself.

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quadseasonal510 reads

Many don't fathom  the strength of the leash China holds on North Korea.
  I believe Kim Jong Un doesn't have a death wish, he's more in tune with a blustering child not strong enough to be a successful bully so he talks louder than anyone  trying to make himself look larger.  

   Pakistan with a hundred nukes, and thousands of  radicals within grasp , would be my main  concern when thinking about reckless weapon threats  .
   
As far as counterfeit, North Korea is a small drop in a big  bucket.  
  The majority of  counterfeit is produced closer to home and heart, Peru is top of the list.  
  New York and Israel  would have been second, until thirteen  Members of an International counterfeit  ring were recently arrested.
   I am sure you won't be soliciting sanctions against Israeli leaders for actions done by a few of it's citizens, yet you seem satisfied punishing the  entire citizenry  of North Korea for angry words from a dictator they did not choose.  Sanctions placed  on North Korea will not hurt their leaders.  
     
  If Heroin is one of your main  concerns, you should look first at countries we support with financial incentives , where most of the World's heroin is grown.    
 
    I agree, North Korean has a radical dictator and their people are a slave to his  regime.  I see no better future for citizens of North Korea or safety for South Korea, when  squeezing their corrupt leadership anymore than we already have.  
   I give peace a better chance with North Korea than many other countries, if our leaders would attempt talks, because  Kim Jung Un is not  influenced by a God guiding his actions against his people .
   
   
     http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9225151/witness-to-a-stoning/

 

Posted By: inicky46
North Korea is a huge danger, and in many ways.  Most directly to South Korea.  Seoul is within range of N. Korean cannons dug into mountain caves near the DMZ that can inflict huge damage.  And while the N. Koreans have not yet been able to weaponize a nuke (so far as we know) that can be put on a rocket, they can't be that far away.  
 They also sold nuclear knowledge and probably centrifuges to the Iranians, who are the world's second most dangerous country after North Korea.  They print counterfeit dollars and sell heroin to finance the lifestyle of a leadership which is basically little more than a paranoid criminal gang.  
 But they are the greatest danger to their own people, who are basically slaves to the regime.  It is a classically inbred and unstable, violent bunch of nut jobs.  To not put the squeeze on them and fail to have a clear deterrent would be madness.  
 
Related Link: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9225151/witness-to-a-stoning/

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dncphil526 reads

It is estimated  that they have  at least two nukes.

The  odds are we can stop them.  The odds are really good we can stop them. Let's  say, just to use a random number, we could top  nukes 95% of the time.

Are you feeling good that a nut case with at least two nukes can take a shot, albiet a long shot.

If you wear seat belts, it is because you want to avoid a 1 in 100,000 risk.  If smoking doubles your rate of cancer it is from 1 is X thousand to 2 in X thousand.  

When it comes to a clown with a nuke, as Dirty Harry said, "You've gotta ask yourself one question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?"

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