Politics and Religion

Except for the glaring fact that "Stand Your Ground" had nothing to do with Martin Case. (eom)
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Another BUSH?   Bring it on.    How much did NRA pay him to lobby and sign the SYG law in Florida?    More Gun sales, more profit.

Americans, if they have any sense should be more responsible with the freedoms they are granted by the government.

Sorry, freedom cannot be granted by anyone. Allowing someone to "grant you freedom" means allowing them to first take away your freedom so they can give a little bit of it back. And we are the government. Do you mean the elected officials who we have collectively designated to make decisions on our behalf? They're paid to serve us, and until we designate someone else to do the work they are relinquishing their freedom while they're on the job.

Yes you are only granted by law the freedoms the constitution, or is it the bill of rights? mentions. Yes the government IE the people whom you voted for or against are supposed to up hold what is written in the constitution, so the government grants you your rights. If this wasn't true there would be no way for a citizen to break the law, and no one could be charged, convicted, or incarcerated for committing a crime.  

This particular system in which we live was decided upon before your conception, to believe you have a voice in granting yourself freedom is rather naïve.

Posted By: WickedBrut
Sorry, freedom cannot be granted by anyone. Allowing someone to "grant you freedom" means allowing them to first take away your freedom so they can give a little bit of it back. And we are the government. Do you mean the elected officials who we have collectively designated to make decisions on our behalf? They're paid to serve us, and until we designate someone else to do the work they are relinquishing their freedom while they're on the job.

...and GRANTING her the "freedom" to suck your cock, you are asserting your power over her, the power to decide to allow her to suck or to deny her the "right" to suck. Really, it's as uncomplicated as that.

GaGambler485 reads

Or at least you have articulated how it is supposed to be. I would further suggest that the 2nd amendment was drafted to ensure the others would not be taken from us by force. Unfortunately this latest generation seems to be quite willing to simply cede their rights  without even putting up a fight. The Patriot Act  stands out as a shining example of this,

and yes, I realize that flaming liberal didn't draft the Patriot Act. Don't worry, there is more than enough blame for both parties to accept.

You are both essentially correct with the roots of the discussion being codified in the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."  

The fundamental rights are granted by man's Creator (not in a religious construct kind of way, GaG). They are secured by government whose power is derived from the consent of those governed. The construct of a Creator, greater than man or government is a quite logical or at least convenient method to justify the limits put on government

Thanks. I think in the day the "endowed by their Creator" might have been a way of saying it was everyone's birthright and not subject to anyone's authority, not something you could add to or detract from, de facto not de jure. It was a paraphrase of an assertion borrowed from John Locke. They changed "pursuit of property" to "pursuit of happiness," probably because of the Slave States, maybe for reasons even more remarkable, but not relevant here.

"All men are created equal" was not a naive line either. They were aware of the inequalities in wealth, health, talents, opportunities, and intelligence. They saw that despite our differences, all people are equal in their humanity. That might not have gone down well with the Southern States either, but it was a concept unique to the New World.

Today, if a person recognizes that we are all equally human s/he will be "branded" as a liberal, because getting to the point where we started treating each other as such has always been the thrust of the progressive movement.  

I'm so tired of the left-right polarity. There are other ways to focus that seem so much more productive and offer easier answers to how we shape the Federation.

Posted By: ed2000
You are both essentially correct with the roots of the discussion being codified in the Declaration of Independence.  
   
 "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."  
   
 The fundamental rights are granted by man's Creator (not in a religious construct kind of way, GaG). They are secured by government whose power is derived from the consent of those governed. The construct of a Creator, greater than man or government is a quite logical or at least convenient method to justify the limits put on government.  
   
 

There were over 2.5 million people in Florida without basic health insurance at that time.   He could have worked out deal with insurance carriers to provide something instead of boom boom and boom with the NRA!

I rarely take a ride on Land O' Lakes Blvd in town of same name and all I see is Pawn & Gun shops.   Yes anyone can pawn something valuable and get a gun!    I walked in to one of them to check and showed my old Rolex watch.   The guy said he can take it as a pawn and give me guns.

What a society.

So get with the program and buy a gun.  It's the patriotic thing to do.

You are talking about guns, pawnshops, and Rolex watches... and of all things health insurance I thought your post was about your disapproval of the Stand Your Ground law. Only a complete moron would disapprove of a law that can clear your name, and render you a free man for protecting your own life.  

Why would you think this law is a bad thing because a handful of people used it to their advantage, in a few incidents which you disapprove of ? Do you honestly realize how dumb your position is?

Only uneducated, illiterate and least traveled and least knowledgeable individuals think they need a gun to protect their life!    It is similar to saying in the age off Video tape players that if you don't have a tape rewinder your Video player will be damaged.


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It's not in your best interest  to show your Rolex watch if you are not carrying protection, unless you have a Death Wish .

Posted By: comfortzone
There were over 2.5 million people in Florida without basic health insurance at that time.   He could have worked out deal with insurance carriers to provide something instead of boom boom and boom with the NRA!  
   
 I rarely take a ride on Land O' Lakes Blvd in town of same name and all I see is Pawn & Gun shops.   Yes anyone can pawn something valuable and get a gun!    I walked in to one of them to check and showed my old Rolex watch.   The guy said he can take it as a pawn and give me guns.  
   
 What a society.

RaymondDonovan483 reads

Hey JCA,I'm really curious about that because I want to know and you seem to know or have the answers. And this is not a jab at you.
I mean we love our guns so much, or only a slight few who buy them in hords that if the guns were made, say in China would they still be buying them.
Thanks for your research

Firearms industry directly employees 150,000 people and roughly 11 billion paid in wages. 39-42 billion per yr in sales including ammo and accessories.  

Posted By: RaymondDonovan
Hey JCA,I'm really curious about that because I want to know and you seem to know or have the answers. And this is not a jab at you.  
 I mean we love our guns so much, or only a slight few who buy them in hords that if the guns were made, say in China would they still be buying them.  
 Thanks for your research

TWO steaming piles of shit to choose from. Both are in the back pocket of the banks, Wall street, and the corporate oligarchy.

 Any chance for an independent/third party candidate?..............I didn't think so :(

Posted By: comfortzone
Another BUSH?   Bring it on.    How much did NRA pay him to lobby and sign the SYG law in Florida?    More Gun sales, more profit.

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