Sounds like a time saver, and there is a word for it - solicitation!
Any careful provider will be put off by requests of specifics, including (especially) the use of acronyms from someone they haven't met. It is how they protect themselves from LE. Such bartering would show her intent to engage in unlawful activity, rather than it being spontaneous between consenting adults.
I was told that a certain provider would take new people when i made contact and was honest about her and the sistuation, she turned me down said she only wanted men who were into her. what is the world comeing to. all I want is a BJ. and now i have trauma to get ridd of also. i can get turned down at my house!
Are you saying that in your initial contact with her, you told her that your situation is that all you want is a BJ?
If that is the case, it is no wonder you were turned down. Don't ask explicit questions, and don't make explicit requests when you contact a provider. Nothing will maker her run for the hills faster than that.
If that wasn't the case, then I'm puzzled about what exactly you did say to her in your initial contact. Can you elaborate please?
No i told her i was referd to her by another, whould would not see me becouse i had no referances and that i was told she would see pepole who were new to the hobby. i assumed she new why i was referd to her with out being blaitant.
or decline the appointment. Have to agree with the poster above...
I'd like to know why this is considered such a faux pas and so heinous? Would asking if you speak greek be considered too explicit and offensive? Would u rather answer that question in an email or have a client show up and ask and then cancel right then and waste your time and his? Isn't it more reasonable to just say yes or no up front? Now if it is no then deleting the email is as effective for you but not very friendly.
I guess I'm curious about what most think is explicit or over-the-line. I think this prejudice against communication lines is counter-intuitive to the hobby.
I keep reading this and it makes little sense to me. If LE is the worry then they aren't going to be explicit as the session details are unimportant to their catching you.
So why is it considered a faux pas to "communicate" your desires ahead of time.
Saying you shouldn't is BAD FOR HOBBYISTS because then a provider can say NO NO NO after collecting the $ and u r stuck! Or even if they honestly answer NO before you have dropped the envelope who wants to keep having to walk out on appointments. isn't it better off for both sides if those things are agreed upon BEFOREHAND and don't have to be bartered about in person? Why waste both people's time?
This "don't be explicit" stuff is dumb IMO. Particularly if u use acronyms. I'm not talking about being overly gross, but what is wrong with asking a provider if she has a problem with DFK and BBBJ in an email. Why is that offensive or gauche? I don't think it is! Yet that is what many of you try to portray.
Sounds like a time saver, and there is a word for it - solicitation!
Any careful provider will be put off by requests of specifics, including (especially) the use of acronyms from someone they haven't met. It is how they protect themselves from LE. Such bartering would show her intent to engage in unlawful activity, rather than it being spontaneous between consenting adults.
OK jazz32, thanks for that answer.
Don't you think that is pretty silly though? Are cops really going to be sending emails asking about acts as a way to entrap providers? It sounds way too paranoid to me. I see MUCH MUCH more explicit stuff on some providers websites including much less cryptic details. or reviews here that detail services. How is a posted "menu" of services and expected gifts any less incriminating than the same info in an email.
I just can't buy that as a valid excuse.
I personally think this is a ruse by providers to get clients to show up knowing most will not back out once they have shown. So you don't tell them you won't do the acts they want until after THEY HAVE PAID. It is just another subtle rip-off move, IMO. I don't buy the LE argument one second!
JMHO
I wouldn't have wasted my time in posting it.
Keep playing by your rules if you like. By your reviews, I can see you have had stellar results. Of course there will always be a miamicompanions gal touring Cleveland.
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I realize I disagreed with your opinion but you didn't have to try to personalize an attack on me in response. I asked if it wasn't silly to possibly make you think about your stance on it and why it would be anti-client.
Not that it matters, but almost all the good sessions and relationships in this hobby I've had have been with providers who prefer not to be reviewed - so the few reviews I've done have mostly been with agency providers. Why that matters to you I don't fathom.
No hard feelings and I apologize if I offended you by disagreeing with your reasoning.
Not my best post.
But look at it this way, this board exists to help new guys get into the hobby. I, and the regulars here post the shared knowlege and conventional widom of the hobby. I'm not saying this can't be challenged but saying "stupid", "silly", "rip-off", "stuck up provider" (yes, I know that I have White Knight tendancies, deal with it), etc. set me off.
I too apologize, and hold no hard feelings.
What was off base was that I used silly and dumb and rip-off to describe the idea, not you. And never said anything about "stuck-up" nor personalized my comments to you in particular. So to have u read my reviews and use it to attack me in some retaliatory measure was bad form.
Truthfully 98% of my emails to providers, with or without references to acts I enjoy, are responded to and none have ever gotten offended or said they worried about LE. Where I get no responsed is through website signups/requests where I've never mentioned acts yet probably 75% never respond.
Just to be turned down by a provider, happens every day for a multitude of reasons. In your case, if you actually told her before meeting that all you wanted was a BJ, no wonder. Any sensible provider is going to immediately end discussions as soon as you start talking about any explicit sexual acts.
Next time do your homework and read the reviews. Make sure you find a provider who likes and is great at BJ's. After you arrive at the appt. and you are having your chit-chat the first few minutes she will want to know what you like, that is the time to tell her.
So what if one turned you down, go on to another.
Follow the suggestions on this board and here's another hint: Use spell check, honestly!
Some gals will turn down a person for poor grammar and spelling. There's no reason for that in this day and age.
Have good hygiene, and be literate.
OK - you state "I was told that a certain provider" - first flag - who told you? Do you believe everything you read in the paper?
Even with years of hobbying, we all get turned down or worse, run into a no call no show situation - has happened to me in the past and probably will in the future - do not take it personally. Reasons can vary by as many ladies there are - security being one - perhaps she is aware of a sting operation you are not, and refuses to book any new clients at a particular time.
Try again... be SURE you are no explicit in your language when contacting her... the juicy parts are for the session when you are paying her for her time.
DO USE spellcheck or at least, try to proof you emails somewhat... a couple of errors are ok, don't know of too many folks who do not make them nor who do not understand them.
needless to say i will use this experience and move on! how ever living way out in the country there are less convenient opportunities for satisfaction and i hate the fact that the store gets closed just as i have made the choice to buy
When you contact someone say that you have seen her web site and hope to spend some time with her but that you are new to the hobby so you want to leave her plenty of time to screen you.
Don't be any more explicit than that. She may ask some questions and the like.
When the big day gets there have the donation out where it can be seen, compliment her on how attractive she is and ask her if she would like to see id or anything. Once she has gotten comfortable she will ask you to get comfortable while she goes to the bathroom. That is your signal to get undressed down to your shorts or nude. She will return in something more comfortable and proceed to make your more comfortable. I recommend that as she does things that are closer to your target you let her know that verbally through words or moans.
If her reviews indicate a bj then that will happen. That might be a good time to ask if CIM is all right with her.
Good luck.
B