is it ewwww if I meet a girl at a bar or the park and dont use a condom on the second date?
pllllllllleaseit's truly much better, at least for ok looking not too old guys.
Here are the 3 girls I met in just the first month:
(1) 22 yr old 5'4 italian jew from Jersey, IRL 7.5, but on TER would easily be rated 9.5. Took her to a speakeasy, sex at my place 2 hrs later. We discussed StDs and she was on BC, so we skipped the condoms. Sent her home after and paypaled her $700. Sex was good just because she was so accommdoating (deepthroat, creampie etc), but a little too passive and her personality was annoying.
(2) 23 yr old southern coed, 7 face (TER 8) but slender as hell with an amazing body, wanted to visit NYC so I let her crash at my place for a few days. Started having sex the second night - turns out she was totally submissive and let's me do whatever she wants. Gets off a lot on choking, spanking, also lets me cum inside despite lack of bc (got her plan b).
(3) this is my keeper: 19 yr old model/actress, northern european, amazingly sexual, mostly lesbian, and smart as a whip. Body is actually too flatchested, but the got the nubile teenage thing going. Face is literally one of the prettiest I've ever seen in real life. We had a great first date, talked about arrangement and thought she'd demand a lot of $$$, but I lowballed her with 1500 a month and she was thrilled. bareback sex on second date.
How did you find these arraignments? How do you think a man in late 20s would fare?
late 20s is fine. I'm in my early thirties. Just message girls on SA, weed out the pros they are easy to spot. amazingly girls actually loke young normal fit guys, not creepy old men.
A lot of us older guys have stayed in great shape and retained our reasonably good looks. So I'm wondering why you find the need to add the "creepy old men" comment.
A guy in his early thirties paying for sex seems to be closer to the definition of "creepy." Or is it "loser?"
Sorry man, but this is literally what girls have told me - they're in their late teens and early 20s, and they get bombarded with messages from men in their 50s and 60s who want the girls to call them daddy. They think it's creepy. It's not my opinion but it's the girls' opinions that matter. I'm sure some girls actually get off om the big age differential but most girls do not. The girls are thrilled when they can actually be with someone approximately their own age and won't get stares when we're out in public.
You can call me creepy for paying for sex when I'm young, maybe you're right, I do it for personal reasons but the more important fact is that the younger girls that I'm seeing on SA do NOT view that as creepy, or else they wouldn't be there and wouldn't be contacting me.
I am an old too. And we have to pay for this. When we were young it costed less. When you were 5, it might have cost you nothing to show your penis to GND, now cops will take you to the station. That's life. And he is not the loser, he just younger than you.
And your real world pick-up skills. Have uber confidence and tell her what you are looking for. You have to be assertive. Good looking doesn't hurt either but the fact that you are young could be a plus, as long as you are a trust fund baby. A lot of college girls/amateurs do not really want 50-60 year old men until they have crossed that threshold many times, ie: providers.
She will buy him a drink and f*ck him badly
Glad you posted on your real handle so we know you like unsafe practices!
I would never do this with pros, but these SA girls are not pros. Also, I'm never doing hobbying again.
You don't know if you're their only splenda daddy or who else they bang. Just like you lie to them, they lie to you. Quit acting like men can't catch STDs from women! When I was sugaring, I usually had 2-3 SD's at a time.
Good, the hobby doesn't want you. Not like any provider aside from Back page would book with you anyway. Enjoy your antibiotics!
your hostility is very puzzling. I've never attacked you personally, just shared my experiences in a way that I hope others may fins helpful. I don't lie to any of the girls, and I get tested regularly. I know the real life identities of these girls and they know mine, it's really not that different from real dating. The first girl I mentioned didn't mention any $, the second second just wanted a place to stay and was happy to be taken out to the city while she was here. The third girl is very upfront about her history with other arrangements.
It's also weird that you would call someone a hobbyist reject, since the real difference between pros and many other girls is simplu that providers are the least discriminating. Girls on SA, just like in real life, is much more likely to only go for guys they actually find physically attractive. This makes for much better chemistry.
Good, the hobby doesn't want you. Not like any provider aside from Back page would book with you anyway. Enjoy your antibiotics!
Lol, I just think you're very vile since you know you're shorting these girls and taking advantage of them being naive.
How are you being helpful to other hobbyists? "Don't pay for expensive hookers when dumb college girls will bareback you for much less!"?
Did you not start trolling SA for cheaper sex? That makes you a hobbyist reject. You're essentially trolling for cheaper and dumber pussy. And no, the girls you're looking for are dumb newbies.. an actual sugar baby would dismiss you faster than you can blink an eye.
Just accept your splenda daddy and creep status!
he has another perspective, $700 for two hours is not cheap. $1500 for a month is not cheap either. And those SB is not naive at all.
There's room for all types of hobbying, hobbyists, etc in the world and the SBs aren't somehow "taking" our clients. Not that you said this, but just emphasizing there is someone for everyone. Before you were a provider, or at least a smart one, you probably sold yourself way too short too. I remember when I was 22, working 40hrs+ in sales, and taking home $1600/mo, IF I made good commission that month. At that time, an extra 7 or 15 hundred bucks a month would've been freakin awesome! To a provider, that money is just a normal day at the office.
Edit, this was mainly intended for milliondollar.
It is better than hanging out his dick and thinking about world's power. He found the one and only and maybe they even marry. at least it is not riffraff wanting everything for nothing.
I'm not worried about SB's taking escorts' clients, there's enough penises in NYC for everyone. I just think OP is a creep and I hate how he's justifying sticking his uncovered weenie into any girl as long as she's not a provider =/
I'm confused, I thought you were mad that I'm not paying these girls enough, but some of them didn't ask for money, and one clearly has had more experience at an SD arrangement than me.
And apparently you're not mad about taking business away from providers.
So what you ARE mad about, is unprotected sex being had between consenting adults without any coercion or lies. Wow, you must go around this world being mad A LOT.
I didn't move to SA b/c of $, I tried it bcause i wanted a more authentic dating experience without the relationship baggage. Your objection seems to be that I'm vile for not paying thes girls enough. That's absurd. These girls are not pros. They're mostly looking for someone they could date casually who has thir shit together and will also help them out with bills. They are not seeking to maximize their monetary payoff by hooking up with the richest old dood. That's what providers do. The "real" sugar babies you reference are just like pros - they view things in a very transactional way and it's a huge turn off. I would never want to "date" them and probably would not like them as a person.
The fact that you think these non pro girls are just "newbies"b/c they are not charging enough for their services is a cynical and sad way of looking at the world. I'm sincerely sorry about whatever made you this way.
Edit: Re taking advantage of them: the third girl that I'm seeing I genuinely like as a person. If she has an issue where she needs some money I would be happy to help out. Also I'm going out of town for a couple of months during the summer and will not see her at all, but I'm still going to give her the monthly allowance b/c this is a long term arrangement and it's jerk move to leave someone in a lurch like that. I'm not saying these things to explain myself to you, but to show other hobbyists who are reading that this typr of arrangement can be very real instead of transactional, and you're able to make up the rules along with the girl so that both parties are happy. Just be honest.
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You're vile because you admitted to seeking naive girls for barebacking, lowballing offers, and bragging how you're doing so well on SA versus the average hobbyist that's apparently not as young and handsome as you and spends more on hobbying. If you're looking for an authentic dating experience, why did you go to SA and not to a bar? A 20-something will have no issues dating a guy in his 30's in this day and age. You're in denial that $ isn't involved.
Actually, no.. the "real" sugar babies expect an allowance that isn't shitty with mandatory bareback sex. Like I said, you're a splenda daddy that's a hobby reject and that's why you made this post to humblebrag. You wouldn't go on a date with legitimate sugar babies because they're not naive, wouldn't fall for your shit, and would weed you out real quick. I know a legitimate sugar baby who's SD liked hanging out with her for her company without sex for the first few months, what you have going on sounds like bargain bin p2p.
You seem to be hung up on older guys, why is that? Providers see younger guys too, dum dum. How about those guys your age who are too busy with work/school/etc to maintain a relationship and just want company for a few hours? Also providers do have their shit together more than a 19 year old who will fuck a stranger without a condom. =)
You're really pathetic as to how you keep justifying your actions and how it's okay to bareback with strange girls as long as they are not providers. You can still pick up STD's from girls in bars, girls on campus, GIRLS WHO ARE NOT ESCORTS IN GENERAL!
But you're a gentleman buying that girl Plan B after fucking her bare knowing she's not on birth control, rite? ^__^
But none of us are, hobby, civie, married, in a monestary, fundamentalist Christian "family values" etc. Everyone does dirty stuff and pretends they're pure as the driven snow.
My main problem with young, irresponsible men like the original poster is: by only focusing on HIS pleasure of bareback with girls (who are disadvantaged financially) and not considering the repercussions of the potential mothers and children's lives without their dad (why would the OP step up and marry one of the girls?) it just perpetuates some of the bad cycles that have been all over the news lately. All of us have unconventional lifestyles and can be judged by others but I feel strongly that a man and woman should be responsible if they introduce new lives into the world.
I'm probably making this too deep but am kindof interested in the sociology of impoverished vs prosperous "civilized" societies and I really think that responsible, present fathers are THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of improving future generations. And all that STARTS with the micro decision of where/how he inserts his penis.
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These girls know my real identity, because they're smart and wouldn't want to meet up with a psycho. If they do get pregnant, they can easily sue me for child support, so yes I would be held accountable for my actions, but isn't it my decision to make?
As for taking advantage of disadvantaged girls, come on man, these are not impoverished immigrants who can't feed themselves, they're college students in NYC whose parents are well off, and they want some help with spending money and loans.
Of course I'm not an angel, but I literally can not see anything immoral about voluntary exchanges between consenting adults in the type of situation I've described.
Then follow in his footsteps.
If not, do something better than your father did.
It does matter what you do with your penis, even if the girl's daddy is rich or if you're willing to pay her child support. A younger teen/college girl is appealing and HOT, I get it, but all I ask is that YOU as the older, more mature ,financially stable MAN in the equation is to be realistic and prepared for your very important role as a potential father. If not, just use a damn condom!
This is why you are full of shit.
You say the girls are from well of families then say they are on student loans. They can't be both idiot.
Just admit you are a poser. Nothing you say makes any sense.
Haha wow, you seem like an autistic spy from North Korea doing his best to understand American society. Either that or someone stuck in his parent's basement playing WOW for the last 10 yrs.
Go check the sticker prices of NYU, Columbia, etc. Even kids from upper middle class families have to take out student loans.
Look, at this point it's pretty clear you're probably mentally ill, so you probably won't listen, but just let this go man. Yeah, it sucks that you live a miserable life, but obsessing about some stranger's comments on the internet is not going to improve your lot.
You say the girls are from well of families then say they are on student loans. They can't be both idiot.
Just admit you are a poser. Nothing you say makes any sense.
I do not "seek" naive girls for bb sex. I seek girls I find attractive, physically and emotionally in some way. Before we engage in sex, I do not coerce them into bb sex (how would that even work?), I tell them when I got tested, ask them the same thing, and based on our interaction, make a judgment about risk and whether or not to use condoms, which I'm sure the girl does as well.
You're right, non-pro girls have STDs. No one is saying otherwise. But why are you so upset that civilians are having unprotected sex? Why are you judging consenting adults for their decisions in the bedroom?
If you don't "seek" them why are you on SA? Who are you kidding? You do this for sport. Do whatever floats your boat but don't come on here pretending to be a great guy. Your a gift giver. It will catch up with you in time if it hasn't already.
I'm on SA because I don't want a monogamous relationship, and I don't want to mislead girls in "real" dating sites. On SA the default expectation is no commitment. So yes, I'm using money to keep expectations in line.
I'm anonymous here, what do I care if I'm a "great guy" or not? This post is for fellow hobbyists who may want to explore an alternative, and I'm offering my experiences as data points in case they're helpful to them.
I still don't get how what I'm doing is immoral - all parties are adults, have all relevant information, no drunkeness, drugs or other impairment involved. It's literally blowing my mind that there's so much puritanical judgment on a site discussing escorts.
Wow. If the guy wants to have bareback sex what business is it of yours? Your lying to yourself and everyone here if you say you never indulged in it. Stop hating because he went a different route then you may like. You say you won't see him because he has bareback sex. Shirt you wouldn't see anyone on this board because we have all had bareback know sex one time or another. My only exception is him alluding to the fact providers are somehow the spreaders of std. That's a bit far fetched. I too have had some great SA dates that worked out good and I'm in my late 40. Not because I'm cheap it's because it's a different situation the p4p. Even though you still pay.
There are a number of men on this and other boards who are consistently hostile. It's their problem, not yours.
It's also weird that you would call someone a hobbyist reject, since the real difference between pros and many other girls is simplu that providers are the least discriminating. Girls on SA, just like in real life, is much more likely to only go for guys they actually find physically attractive. This makes for much better chemistry.
Well since you are talking about "physically attractive" men then that is what closeted gay men are. Guess you might be with the fruit cake club.
Exactly!
is it ewwww if I meet a girl at a bar or the park and dont use a condom on the second date?
plllllllllease
Another story if the girl is smarter than you. Then don't use them. Also wash your hands after transaction. Many other people touched your cash when you transfered it.
I haven't used Seeking Arrangement yet, but from people that I know, who have...
It takes a lot more work on the front end.
It will take more time from initial contact before you get anywhere. Possibly even a few dates.
Most of the girls on SA don't have incall type locations, so you have to be able to either host, or spring for hotels.
All that said, from what I understand, you can get terrific experiences, but for all the extra work you need to put in, I wouldn't say it's better than hobbying.
I'm curious to why you think it's a better idea to go raw with three women you just met (who also just met you) but "would never do that with a pro." Most of us would never do that with you! Providers are some of the cleanest women! Meanwhile, if those 3 girls are so quick to fuck you bare, how many other men have they done that with? I hate to be the one to break the news to you but I'm positive you are not the only one. Oh well. If you are "never hobbying" again, do fill us in why you are still posting in the hobby world? Maybe you can make a seeking arrangement discussion board. This is for providers and hobbyists. Oh well..
I agree there is risk, but these are nonpro girls, and the risk is about the same as unprotected sex with a college girl you met at a frat party. I also do not plan to hook up so much now that I found a girl I like for a long term arrangement. We are upfront with each other and the relationship is akin to a non-monogamous friends with benefits relationship.
As for why I am posting, I wanted to share my experience on SA with other hobbyists because I think it would be valuable to other guys who may want skmething other than hobbying.
to calculate risk, based upon age or demographics.
Personally, I'm a provider, and I haven't had bareback sex since I was, like, 20. That was when I was young and stupid. Luckily, nothing happened, but that's also probably because I was quite and shy and not even one thirtieth as slutty as most of my friends. LOL.
It's not like STD's don't happen to young, pretty girls. There's a recent story on the internet about a chlamydia epidemic among HIGH SCHOOL kids.
Even if you could statistically prove that 99% of kids under 23 are disease free (which is VERY unlikely), it doesn't matter if you get that 1%. And yet, there you are, barebacking girls who will literally do it with the first guy who PROMISES them a few hundred bucks via paypal. (Poor naive things).
Think what you want, but realize that you're rolling the dice, the same way you would with a 'pro' or any random girl at a bar.
agree re risk. However for the record, the first girl I saw did not ask for any money at any point. I even asked her after sex what she'd like, and she said whatever is fine. I gave her 700 bc I thought it was fair, and I did not plan to see her again.
I do not think she would've had sex with unless there was physical chemistry, since money did not come up.
Personally, I'm a provider, and I haven't had bareback sex since I was, like, 20. That was when I was young and stupid. Luckily, nothing happened, but that's also probably because I was quite and shy and not even one thirtieth as slutty as most of my friends. LOL.
It's not like STD's don't happen to young, pretty girls. There's a recent story on the internet about a chlamydia epidemic among HIGH SCHOOL kids.
Even if you could statistically prove that 99% of kids under 23 are disease free (which is VERY unlikely), it doesn't matter if you get that 1%. And yet, there you are, barebacking girls who will literally do it with the first guy who PROMISES them a few hundred bucks via paypal. (Poor naive things).
Think what you want, but realize that you're rolling the dice, the same way you would with a 'pro' or any random girl at a bar.
You met her on a sugar daddy site.
She was probably hoping against hope that you'd give her some money...and was probably too young and intimidated to ask for it, outright.
Thank goodness you were at least honest with her. I'm sure other people wouldn't have been.
Girls at the rest party are mostly fat slobs. There are tons of college girls that are providing and they tend to be the hotter sophisticated girl rather than the typical chubby bound frat girl.
Although I think you're exaggerating and leaving out pertinent details somewhere. But hey! If you've got a little cash and you're a good looking, not creepy dude with some swag, go for it!!! But getting a girl you're not dating pregnant will cause so much drama in your life. Pregnant girls, esp. if they felt coerced into BB will be absolutely LIVID with you. Mark my words. Not pretty. Horomones. The "clinic" you'll have to take her to... No bueno
I've tried to be as accurate as I can and give all pertinent details. i was also surprised at thr quality of the girls I met on SA and their interest level, which is why I wanted to share this for the hobbyists.
It's pointless to brag on an anonymous internet board, and I don't work dor SA, my only motivation is to help my fellow bros out, or at least try to.
One girl probably has a lazy eye, or missing leg or something. Jk. Again, the catch to your luck (there's ALWAYS a catch) is pregnant girl(s) on your hands who not only will want NO sex with you again, but also will key your car, pound on your door at 3am demanding you let her in, put a tracker on your car, call you 300X a day, and other fun pregnant SB activities. Remember these parting words: the younger the girl, the easier pregnant. And even if she claims to be on the pill, if she wants to "keep" you all to herself, maybe you seem financially stable and like a good catch- then whoops, she forgot to take that pesky pill
YOU are responsible for contraception. You CANNOT rely on the girl.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4
Great video
I agree also that a man should not rely on a female saying that she is on the pill or any form of BC. As I say it takes two to tango and if you want to make sure she doesn't end up pregnant I would advise you to BOTH go in on the plan b and make sure she takes it. I've been in a relationship before where I had took my BC but got sick an hour later off food. I wasn't for sure if my BC came up so I told him and we both went and grabbed a plan b and I took it right in front of him so there are no misunderstandings. I think what you're doing is very risky and that you are taking advantage of the fact that these females happen to be cheaper and unwise about their actions. Good luck to you
Problem is the younger the girl the more a normal straight male will do what biology dictates.
The "mostly lesbian" part makes no sense and makes you sound dumb. She is either straight, bi, or lesbo.
She's bi, but generally finds girls more attractive than guys. The fact that you need this spelled out for you makes you sound dumb.
So in other words you are with a masculine woman.
I have two dates now .. no more, whom I met here- There can be called "hobbyists " becuase they do write reviews time by time.
( or when asked)
So yes an arrangement is 1500 every month and via paypall.
Every month I do visit his city and stay there as min 3 days - gentleman who is lover and friend visit me as much as he wants too - normally it is 2- 3 hours every morning and may be hour and half
in noon or just an hour.
So basically he has with with me on my trip to his city about 10 hours every month
to be that translated to dollars if he wants take this time with provider it would cost him 5000 min
every month 5000?
That can be as 60 000 a year and risks of STDs and just not pleasant not connecting encounters ( as LinkM mentioned in #1)
With me he has 1500 X12month= 18, 000?
For all year?
I think you may see here good deal
Am I cheap? Can I do better and find those arrangements for lets say 5000?
I can - but for me it is occasionally and not as paycheck.
( May be some other women are totally fine and easy can landed up few 5000 monthly arrangements - I am not - even I am pretty and sexy and a lot of fun and not annoying personality
)
So he knows that 18 000 a year not big money and when he invites me to his city for 2- 3 days ( and sometime for whole week- so count yourself how many hours he has for his 1500 a month )
so when he invites me to his city - he lets me have OTHER GOOD dates as 1500 from 3 hours or 1000 2 hours
Here is he flexible and I am also booking around his time
Everybody is very happy
he does know that I have one more such man and am pretty stable about not being high volume and not picking up for 400 an hour on hard working trips
So for us it is romance.. honey moon when he is ready see me.
So yes- there is just one more such date and who keeps me on payroll and I really love them as my darling friends lovers .
I do see other men of course an regularly advertising here as well and on other sites.
But I do take only those whom I may connect and offer the best of myself.
As to age - one man is over 50 and other is under 40
I think they have good deal with me
What do ou think?
But I do not like see men those who are on SD SA parties- there are a lot of back page women - not good looking actually -
and a lot of those as from # 2 southern - Latinos, immigrants, dark skinned and somewhat vulgar, even young but intelligent man jut not looks good with those babes, and not take them seriously - re - read as to tone of LinkM post - he has a little respect to his #1 and # 2.
- but what he said about # 3?
Smart as whip and amazingly sexual - and note again
-NORTHERN EUROPEAN
You gentlemen just can not go wrong with Europeans and with non provider set of mind.
Men are cheap on SA SD . yes- and I met my those 2 arrangements here, on TER.
So we do follow rules but we are the best friends possible - there are 2 reviews from both of them
With younger man may often party..
with older man we party when we can
when wife off to cooking classes to Italy
Both do know and are ok with me being here so i do not have to hide anything and it is the best part.
Yet we have very special relationship free and sexy and I think VERY good deal for both of them
and I know I know it is not too much money as 36 000 a year, so I still am free to play as I want and time by time ( as this seasonal and last season I just kept seasonal work as well using my brain s well.
My dates ( not only those who are on arrangements love me because plus to my all 10 reviews I am as smart as whip as well
Smart as devil twice as pretty.
Welcome to check my sites and may be become my special friend- just as on last my date we went to Dr Jivago Broadway play and .. and other interesting places ..
and gentleman actually not the one who is my SD for 1500 a month but just many years loyal lover
and by the way.. known here on boards as well.
Sometime, if there is fun and dinner and show and relaxing snuggling cuddling time in hands of each other - 1500 would be enough and for night if he is not on arrangement with me
If I am on his payroll - then it is date.. when I need to travel- he takes also care about my hotel for all my stay ( even if i set up other dates) and if he feel generous - gave me other 1000 as tip so i even do not know - just somehow taking out 1000 out of my pocket.
So sweet. But that not requires at all
I do count rest dates by hour as well
But I am not crazy and self destructive to turn down man if he wants see me monthly but do not have ( or do not want pay me 5000 monthly )
if he sets an arrangement - then he does not have to.
For the rest- it is 1000 2 hours min .
Plus - remember!! We are friends and have mutual respect
Those men are FROM HERE
NOT from SD parties - have been there love to dance - and yes i do agree there men are cheap and not respectful - here those who made it here - those can set up all with pleasure and benefits for both
yes- if he be having sex as he wants with hiring hourly women - he does look spend 60 000 and be mentally not satisfied often take risk
And for women it is also good deal - 2- 3 men as arrangements - a lot of sex and freedom.
enough money as well.
Thanks for reading and
check who I am
I be happy meet you over the cap of tea or shoot of whisky sharing with you my European nature and culture and passion
Yours
Pavliena Alma
Yup you are -- brag about BBFS come on -- go jerk-- off in the corner -- you are not going to win many women fans here and probably not many monger fans as well -- thou the Italian Jewish girl from Jersey sounds like my cup of tea minus annoying personality -- but really keep the cover on DUDE -- or else your tool my not work very well for you.
I can't wait until he posts a topic about getting one of these girls pregnant or catching an STD. El oh ellll
What do your think he will name the baby?? Link?
OP here, it seems my original post is getting a lot of hate for god knows what reason. So just to clarify: my post is to share experience with fellow hobbyists. It is not for providers. I'm not saying providers suck, or the hobby sucks. I am saying that for some hobbyists, consider trying SA as they may provide a better experience.
If you're a hobbyist who is interested and has questions, I'm happy to answer them in this thread.
If you're a provider or other hobbyist who is offended for whatever reason - I'm sorry that you're offended, but it's really your problem, not mine.
Problem is you are full of shit and dick in your mouth and we mean literally.
That is your problem. You talk like some know it all when you are nothing but a poser and a mangina
, Jon Snow. =)
Cheers man.
That is your problem. You talk like some know it all when you are nothing but a poser and a mangina.
Actually, four, plus a few other friends. Regardless, as a hobbyist to a fellow hobbyist...whatever works for you. It's your hobby!
Coincidentally, I was out with my ATF SB earlier this week at dinner and sitting next to us was an older gentleman that I guess was between 60-70yo, with young Russian woman who was probably late 20s. It was definitely pretty obvious, and my SB texts me from the table, 'how do you think they met😜'. I laughed, and wasn't about to tell her that my best guess was probably TER vs. SA.. My sense is that relatively younger and descent looking guys tend to do much better on SA. Yes, many of the women are self conscious about being out in public with much older men; one girl I have seen has a strict rule on guys having to look under 45. Of course I know pros who are self conscious about that as well. That said, I have one hobby friend in his 60s who has met some great women on SA as well.
In the end, it is really just another form of p2p, so I still consider it 'hobbying'. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. Yes, it feels more like real dating, and that the 'chemistry and connection' maybe more real as many of the women I have met on SA appear to be somewhat selective, even if they are lowering their standards for the extra cash. There is a lot more work that goes into this type of hobbying, and the risks can be greater in some respects. Feelings can develop on either side, if you see someone long enough they will get your info, etc. it could get ugly when you end things. I don't consider it that much more risk than escorts.
As for some of the replies, I wouldn't call anyone of us who also see SBs 'hobby rejects'. As I said, it's just another form of hobbying. I also still see escorts from time to time. I wouldn't necessarily consider it cheaper either. Though I am paying an 'allowance' the equivalent of 1 hr with an escort in NYC and getting MUCH more time, the additional costs of hotels, dinners, gifts, etc, add up fast. The real benefit is added time, and if that is what you enjoy, then SBs can be better deal that way. If you don't have the extra time for multi hour or overnight dates, may not be worth the trouble.
As for your risk taking, that is for you to decide when it comes to your own health. Does seem like you are potentially risking these other girls' lives through with your recklessness, even if you do get tested regularly. And the risk of pregnancy is real too. And even if you get tested and share results, chances are they are sleeping around when not with you, and may even have other SDs too. I found that with SA, it's best to BYOC (bring your own condoms), and surprised how few of my dates brought any with them.
Great that you are having fun, but don't kid yourself that SA isn't just another form of p2p and that you are some sort of a stud on SA cause you are younger and not a creepy old man. Why aren't you on Tinder???? And for God's sake, be safe about it..
Sparta
Tinder is for gay men and fat women.
However in SA you still got to pay which is no different. The problem with Link is he thinks he is getting hot women. With SA quality of girls is typically power and selective girls on such a site are scum.
At least here girls can be selective too but you are getting a better experience.
I'm only replying to you because you're spreading false info.
Tinder is great, I use it too, but most girls on there are still looking for potential relationships, and feelings will get involved. I learned this the hard way.
SA had very high quality girls, higher than tinder and much higher than TER providers. I'm saying this for the benefit of fellow hobbyists: I have pretty high standards and while a few pros here are very good looking, there is just no comparison with the type of girls that are available on SA. Just check it out for yourself, you don't need to take my word for it.
Just think about it economically: there are just not that many girls who are willing to turn pro and take all comers. So the supply in the pro world is limited. SA creates a much larger supply by allowing girls to be more selective, and also avoid the taboo of being called a pro.
Tinder sucks and is a gloryfied match.
SA is not much better and the quality is mostly trailer park trash. You act like girls on Ter are not "selective". Fact is on SA the girls are getting paid. No longer are they looking for love but some money just like anyone else. So it is all a bunch of BS. If it were that great, Ter would be out of business.
What I say is fact. Deal with it. You are being an effeminate mangina
Don't worry, there will always be people like you to keep TER in business. It seems like you've tried SA and get only interest from trailer trash. That's not surprising since you seem like a very unpleasant individual. The fact that you cannot understand how SA opens up a new and valuable market despite having it spelled out for you shows that I would waste time trying to help you understand. But hopefully other hobbyists find this helpful.
Summary: I'm sorry you're stupid, ugly and have a shitty personality.
SA is not much better and the quality is mostly trailer park trash. You act like girls on Ter are not "selective". Fact is on SA the girls are getting paid. No longer are they looking for love but some money just like anyone else. So it is all a bunch of BS. If it were that great, Ter would be out of business.
What I say is fact. Deal with it. You are being an effeminate mangina.
Well SA is full of trailer trash, trannys, or gay men and you are the one using it, not me. So it figures you belong with the fruit cake club. Its clear you sucked(more ways than one) at Ter so of course you need to make yourself feel better by going to a third rate site so you can make yourself feel that you are the better man. All you have proven is that you are an effeminate girly man.
Summary: I am sorry you are poor, gay, and live in your mom's basement.
One day you will find out that you have fathered some children and end up paying child support. Just a matter of time.
You mean I might end up propagating my genes with young beautiful educated girls with good families? Oh the horror.
More like fat, hairy, or tranny is what you mean.
Lol so now I have the magical ability to impregnate trannies. God was able to impregnate a virgin but even she was at least a woman!
Listen, I don't know you and am probably as old as your dad, but here's some old guy wisdom. 1. You need to value your health and your life more! Think about it, if this sleaze from Jersey was willing to go bare after just meeting you bc you "talked about" STDs, no medical paperwork confirming that either one of you are clean....for a small amount of money, not a good sign. She is probably doing this with many men and if she is clean, won't be for long. Probably is a drug user too. My advice to you, go see your doctor. Any one of these girls could have been carrying something that is asymptomatic at first. The "plan b" one doesn't seem health concious at all, sketchy as can be. Do the smart thing and use condoms. If you want bareback sex, find a steady, not for pay girl friend.
I think that's good advice, thanks man. Honestly I regretted the hook up with the first girl too. I asked her if she wanted to use a condom but when she said no I wasn't thinking. I waited a couple of weeks to get tested after that, and luckily came back clean. I actually sent the results to my subsequent dates. The girl visiting me also got tested recently; my long term arrangement did not have results handy, but she told me that the last guy she was with was ayear ago, and she's clean. She hooks up mostly with girls. I've seen her a number of times and I trust her in that regard. She also has extensive social media presence so it's not hard to verify her dating history.
Yo Dude you see how much banter you created with your post -- I guess you wanted to bring attention to yourself and this last reply/ post will only continue to get remarks in a negative way!! Call it a day and just Shut the F--K Up!!!!
Personally, I hope whatever works for you works for you. It's your hobby..
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