From the bird flu to global warming, acid rain to Y2K, from Katrina to Ferguson, the media never saw a story it didn't hype to hell and back.
One thing is certain. As soon as they realize this was hyped and the story becomes the last bit of remains from a putrid smelling carcass, rest assured, they will leap right on to the next big thing that will kill us all.
The media is blowing it, the politicians are blowing it and are the people buying it ? LOL.
# of persons who died of Ebola = 1
# of persons infected with Ebola = 2
Compare this to:
# of persons who lose their lives to guns = 30,000 a year
# of persons who die from auto accidents = 10,000 a year
# of children killed by their own parents = 1,000 a year
# of persons who cannot get basic health care = 43 million
What a country!
but I agree with your point in general. The media often blows this shit wildly out of proportion.
From the bird flu to global warming, acid rain to Y2K, from Katrina to Ferguson, the media never saw a story it didn't hype to hell and back.
One thing is certain. As soon as they realize this was hyped and the story becomes the last bit of remains from a putrid smelling carcass, rest assured, they will leap right on to the next big thing that will kill us all.
but if this whole ebola mess has any value to it, it should be to expose just how badly prepared we are if a real plague of some sort were to reach our borders.
The level of incompetency, starting at the local level just like with Katrina is just mind boggling. Texas public officials were still patting themselves on the back, some of them even calling Duncan some kind of hero for knowingly putting an entire nation at risk, when the real news broke about how badly they had handled the entire matter. THAT is newsworthy, even if ebola is forgotten about in this country before Thanksgiving.
Wasn't the hospital a for profit institution?
when they cant keep a nut job from entering the front door of the WH and taking his own personal tour of the East Room? lol.
With big government, I don't just keep my expectations low, I have them set on "non-existent." That way I don't get disappointed. lol
With big government, I don't just keep my expectations low, I have them set on "non-existent." That way I don't get disappointed. lol.
That the Ebola virus does not go south of the US border or into the Caribbean. If so it will be a major disaster.
From the bird flu to global warming, acid rain to Y2K, from Katrina to Ferguson, the media never saw a story it didn't hype to hell and back.
One thing is certain. As soon as they realize this was hyped and the story becomes the last bit of remains from a putrid smelling carcass, rest assured, they will leap right on to the next big thing that will kill us all.
I remember crying when hearing it on the news and telling my playmate next door, who wasn't allowed to watch the news. It seems so ridiculous to me now, that I believed bees would come all the way from Africa and kill me. 
The media just LOVES bees for some reason. lol
Confined to the dumbest state governed by the dumbest governor
From the bird flu to global warming, acid rain to Y2K, from Katrina to Ferguson, the media never saw a story it didn't hype to hell and back.
One thing is certain. As soon as they realize this was hyped and the story becomes the last bit of remains from a putrid smelling carcass, rest assured, they will leap right on to the next big thing that will kill us all.
Auto deaths in the U.S. is actually 34,000 not 10,000
253 million vehicles in the U.S.
So deaths per vehicle = 0.01%
Of the 30,000 gun deaths, approximately 2/3rds are suicide or 10,000 non-suicide deaths
270 million guns in the U.S. (estimate)
So non-suicide deaths per gun = 0.004%
I've also worked out deaths per gun in the U.S. vs "more civilized" countries. Would you like to know which ones are less safe on a per gun basis?
Ebola infections 3 (you did not include Duncan)
Ebola deaths = 1
Death rate from Ebola = 33% (using your statistics)
This is not quite fair since Duncun contracted Ebola outside the Country and others that also did and returned have since survived. Nonetheless the death rate per Ebola infection is otherwise estimated at 25% to 90%.
I’ll take exposure to guns or automobiles any time over Ebola. Of course my exposure rate to Ebola right now is extremely low, but then how would I know that for sure, given the present open borders and lack of appropriate security?
I’m totally with you on child mortality due to abuse. We don’t do nearly enough to prevent this.
43 million without “basic” heathcare? I dispute that number but I was told the ACA had fixed that.
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is deaths per 100,000 in population, not deaths per vehicle or firearm.
Homicides caused 5.2 % for every 1000,000 in 2011, the last year where the CDC has tabulated final data, and firearms cause 3.6 % of those. In short, guns are overwhelmingly the cause of homicides.
More concerning is the trend line – car deaths are decreasing while firearm deaths including suicides are increasing. Incredibly, Bloomberg, using CDC data, projects that firearm deaths will EXCEED car fatalities by 2015.
When you compare the critical social utility of the automobile with the almost negligible social utuilty of the firearm, that is a far scarier than Ebola. And it is pretty hard for a car to get you when you are safe at home - not so a gun.
Could this be why we see so much new legislation attempting to restrict gun sales and use but zero restricting cars
The professional's published death rates due to Ebola exposure and not total death rate per capita.
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Because it would be almost impossible to regulate doesn't mean it's less damaging.
Firearms in the general populace did do a lot for making America what it is today. You can't argue that. The social utility today might not be needed today, but once disarmed it's impossible to ask for the rights back. Do you believe that an armed populace had an influence on Japan not trying to invade the mainland in ww2? If so could it ever happen again?
I guess in ALL the world history I remember there are VERY few instances of a population allowing itself to be disarmed and it working out for the better. Whole races were slaughtered because of it, genocide usually starts with disarmament.
Homicides caused 5.2 % for every 1000,000 in 2011, the last year where the CDC has tabulated final data, and firearms cause 3.6 % of those. In short, guns are overwhelmingly the cause of homicides.
More concerning is the trend line – car deaths are decreasing while firearm deaths including suicides are increasing. Incredibly, Bloomberg, using CDC data, projects that firearm deaths will EXCEED car fatalities by 2015.
When you compare the critical social utility of the automobile with the almost negligible social utuilty of the firearm, that is a far scarier than Ebola. And it is pretty hard for a car to get you when you are safe at home - not so a gun.
Could this be why we see so much new legislation attempting to restrict gun sales and use but zero restricting cars?
of comparing gun and car deaths with the number of guns and cars in existence was not the perspective used by policy makers when making public health judgments. They are concerned with injuries and deaths per capita.
The second part of my post addressed the total deaths caused by both instrumentalities and pointed out that gun deaths are projected to overtake car deaths. At that point, from a policy standpoint, the social utility of the instrumentality becomes critical. If we really needed the population to have guns, then we could more easily justify the injuries/deaths caused.
Can’t agree that historical utility bears on the question today. When we were settling the west, guns had great utility for hunting and defense against Indians and bad guys. Today, as we have debated many times, I think the average citizen rarely has any need to be armed, and that the number of gun caused injuries far outweighs the number of successful self defense incidents or the deterrent effect of being armed.
Tobacco almost never causes third party injury, except in extreme second smoke and fetus injury cases. Where alcohol use does pose a third party or self injury risk, our laws regulate alcohol use pretty severely thru DUI, point of sale, and dram shop laws. But you are certainly right – they have little social utility to measure against the harm they cause
I understand what you were saying. Just wanted to point out that so many things in our society aren't weighed on social utility. Fast food, fatty food in general, alcohol, pop, tobacco. You say that tobacco rarely causes third party injury but leave in suicides when you talk gun deaths... its inconsistent. If self inflicted injury is removed from the equation gun deaths really are surprisingly low considering the number. Let face it if you want to kill yourself I'd take the easiest and least painful option, probably the most successful as well. Its a simple fact.
Fatalities from prescription drug overdoses, followed by heroin overdoses will exceed firearm deaths by 2015.
Homicides caused 5.2 % for every 1000,000 in 2011, the last year where the CDC has tabulated final data, and firearms cause 3.6 % of those. In short, guns are overwhelmingly the cause of homicides.
More concerning is the trend line – car deaths are decreasing while firearm deaths including suicides are increasing. Incredibly, Bloomberg, using CDC data, projects that firearm deaths will EXCEED car fatalities by 2015.
When you compare the critical social utility of the automobile with the almost negligible social utuilty of the firearm, that is a far scarier than Ebola. And it is pretty hard for a car to get you when you are safe at home - not so a gun.
Could this be why we see so much new legislation attempting to restrict gun sales and use but zero restricting cars?
Guns don't kill people , out of control black youth do .
Bring it on bitches !
There have been at least two people who actually had ebola that flew on airplanes.
Planes are petri dishes of infection. Closed enviornment with recycled air. Not knowing the size of the plane or how full they are, it is not hard to imagine hundreds of people exposed. At least one flight was international, which is a large plane. I haven't been on a plane that was less the 80% full in I don't know how long. Just got back from Europe yesterday on a full flight./
WIth hundreds of people exposed to recycled "ebola-air," it seems no one has gotten sick.
I have doubts because I have lived through too many scares to begin to count in the epidemic, or worse "pandemic," scenario.
From swine to aisian to bird flu to a dozen others
I remember in virtually every airport I went through for about a year, and that was a good 20-30 airports, all the gullible people were wearing those stupid masks, most of them wearing the wrong type to protect themselves. lol
I have to say this isn't just the current admin.
Both sides always over react to this type of thing. I think they are trying to CYA if anything happens, which it never does.
I've lost track of the epidemics I have lived through
just like if they had pulled a trigger . That C--t nurse should be arrested for what she did .
" no rules apply to me "
Fucking Achilles heel of Americ