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Re: Should we close the border to those that have the flu too?
sassyfla See my TER Reviews 678 reads
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Jack,  unlike the Ebola Virus,  we know what and  how to treat Seasonal Influenza,  and the 40 - 50 thousand figure is not quite accurate,  if you believe what the CDC webpage says,  they say between 1976 and 2006,  death of the Flu is as low as 3000 or possibly as high as 49,000,  now remember even if it were the  latter,  that would still be,  just a tad over 1600 per annum,  of these usually it is elderly and/or people who already have compromised immune systems.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/disease.htm

Unfortunately with Ebola,  the experts don't even know how long this little "Monster" can live without the host  (I have read anywhere between 3 and 10 days,  this most certainly gives a lot of distance for it to travel,  I would imagine,  even if it lives on the host,  look at the number of potentially exposed prospective victims,  it will come into proximity with.

IMHO,  the virus needs to be treated at its place of origin,  in order to be able to evaluate with a more panoramic perspective.

I agree with Dr Carson,  that we can take the medical equipment there:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/disease.htm

That being said,  we must remember that these are people whose main religion is Voodoo and all the superstitions that go with it.  These are people who are very distrustful of modern medicine and all of its accoutrements that go with it,  and honestly,  can we blame them,  when they see our world of zoot suits entering their once peaceful domain.  It is a very challenging situation at best,  but we needn't put the rest of the world  (BTW,  where is China and Russia in all this,  there certainly not stepping up to the plate)  specifically The United States of America,  at any more risk than we already have.

with Ebola.

I'm sorry but we need to close off all borders and be diligent in checking people's Visas coming into this country,  otherwise we could have an appalling situation on our homeland and who will come to our aid????
We need to start worrying about numero uno,  as IMHO we are an "island unto ourselves" (figuratively speaking)  these days,  and should we start getting more Ebola cases we will find out just how much of an Island we are.  They  (other countries)  will close their borders to us because we didn't close our borders to anyone coming in from Western Africa  (or at the very least quarantined)  and keep our people safe,  which I do believe is the first line of duty for Commander in Chief,  but by all appearances,  this man has done everything except keep this country safe.  

http://news.yahoo.com/state-health-officials-2nd-ebola-case-texas-102955708.html

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GaGambler476 reads

The way Dallas handled this Ebola case was almost as bad as the way Nagin handled Katrina however, not to mention all the back slapping and self congratulations from City and State Government before it was obvious how badly this whole matter was handled was nauseating to say the least.

I was also revolted by the way they called this selfish prick who put an entire nation at risk "one of our own" and "hero" made me want to pop a cap into my own TV.

and really financially support themselves, it'll be a mess of mass corruption with the like of JR Ewing all over the place. We'd find a way to steal their oil by way of Oklahoma. After all, what the F would texas do, invade us? They'll have a rag tag military.
Them Good Ol boys operate under the dollar handshake and it would be a matter of time before they fuck it up, I keep on thinking of Enron....And I wonder what would happen if Mexico invaded Texas, you know when the Mexicans finally say "No Mas, pinche gringo".......lol
Of course all this is just for humor, but........

GaGambler419 reads

Those "pinche Mexicanos" might find it a bit harder to do what they want on the border. Texas is more than willing to do what needs to be done, it's the Feds that keep us from doing it.

The good ole boy network exists everywhere, not just in Texas, Texas doesn't hold a candle to Louisana or Washington DC for that matter where it comes to corruption.

and let's suppose you "yankees" do steal our oil. where the fuck are you going to refine it? If you hadn't noticed there is already a glut of oil in Cushing Oklahoma. Why do you think Brent oil which is an inferior grade of oil has been selling for more than WTI for the last several years?

I find it amusing that ANYONE could think that Texas could be more corrupt than what we already have in Washington DC.

I know you are trying to pretend you are writing this all in "good humor", but.....

Flu season kills 40,000 to 50,000 people a year. Isnt  that a MUCH bigger threat than Ebola?

I am not saying certain protocols shouldn't be followed and Texas  did botch this to a large extent but I just think the media, both left and right, are fear mongering to absurd levels.

Call it Ebola, panic everywhere. Call it the flu, the country yawns.

GaGambler442 reads

If you want a chuckle, do a message search on this board from a couple of years ago about the swine flu. There were a couple of "chicken littles" who were predicting martial law in response to it. TJLooneytunes was the worst one of all. It was actually rather amusing to watch her scream at all of us "sheeple" because we wouldn't take her seriously.

I think the biggest fear where it comes to ebola is the high mortality rate, contracting it almost always is a death sentence, and unlike AIDs you don't get years, you only get days to live. I think that's what scares the shit out of people

Most of the people in Africa end up dying but the reason they die is that their care is so far below par. As I understnad it, people die of the symptoms of Ebola but in world class medical facilities like the U.S. the symptoms are eminently treatable.  

For example, the two main causes of death I believe are renal failure and dehydration. Dialysis and IV's take care of both of these, if caught in time.  

I am no expert but I believe the death rate in the U.S. would/will be well below 50%, maybe even much lower. In Africa, I read it ranges from 60-90, pending early diagnosis, getting to a treaty center in time, etc etc etc.

The problem is it resembles the common flu in symptomology and thus people don't seek treatment until it is often too late.

GaGambler523 reads

but even a fifty percent mortality rate is a very, very scary proposition. When people get even the most virulent strains of flu, most people expect to survive, Can you honestly say that about ebola, even here in the states with all of our advanced facilities?

Which I'm not saying is at all possible to accomplish. Would be the best preventative measure the US could take in preventing possible exposure to American citizens at home. I don't expect to contract.. CCHF - Ebola or EVD once a disease earns a three letter acronym you know it's here to stay, that dose not make the disease any less dangerous.

The Flu always comes from people entering the US from foreign lands, or Americans returning from foreign lands. The people who travel Visit Friends and Relatives.

That is the reason Flu season always follows vacation season.  

Ebola is a strain of flu.

the borders to the known infected,  even though there is a flu vaccine and curative treatments, both of which are untrue as to Ebola.

     Fortunately, flu deaths of this nature or otherwise (the CDC gives a 3000 to 49000 range) are nowhere near that number and are probably relatively low. Most flu generates domestically.

     At some point, it makes perfect sense to close the borders to immigrants from the Ebola source countries or least force them to sit in quarantine for 21 days ( if that is a hard number and the scary thing is they really don’t know). Our current policy – monitor everyone a patient came into contact with for 21 days – obviously will not be possible if  the numbers reach into the hundreds and thousands

And we don't quarantine infected people here no matter where they got it. It would save lives by doing so, wouldn't it?

I guess my main point is I believe the Ebola hype is wildly out of control. I don't see people that are experts in this area on TV overly concerned. In fact I think they think it is overhyped as well.

This so reminds me of the hysteria re : nuclear energy. No one has ever be proven to have died from a nuke reactor's radiation. Not even at three mile island.

As we have a much higher risk of dying in a car accident than by a nuke disaster, we have a much higher risk of dying for the common flu instead of Ebola.

But like I said I am certainly no expert in this area.

My real concern is the flu and believe the Ebola is media hype.  I did catch the flu last year and it took me a month before it let go of me.  Those first 2 weeks I was sure I would die, I couldn't even get out of bed to get a drink of water.  Took the vaccine this a couple of weeks ago, and come down with a mild icky flu for 3 days where I ached in my butt muscles and legs.  But it sure as hell wasn't what I went through last year.

People worrying about the media hype of Ebola should be worried about the flu, I am sure it would have killed me last year if I had been an elder.  The flu can stay live on furniture for 2 weeks, and ebola has to be transmitted through bodily fluids.  Lysol! Lysol your business for those disease totter children that get sick in fested school systems.  :)

Jack,  unlike the Ebola Virus,  we know what and  how to treat Seasonal Influenza,  and the 40 - 50 thousand figure is not quite accurate,  if you believe what the CDC webpage says,  they say between 1976 and 2006,  death of the Flu is as low as 3000 or possibly as high as 49,000,  now remember even if it were the  latter,  that would still be,  just a tad over 1600 per annum,  of these usually it is elderly and/or people who already have compromised immune systems.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/disease.htm

Unfortunately with Ebola,  the experts don't even know how long this little "Monster" can live without the host  (I have read anywhere between 3 and 10 days,  this most certainly gives a lot of distance for it to travel,  I would imagine,  even if it lives on the host,  look at the number of potentially exposed prospective victims,  it will come into proximity with.

IMHO,  the virus needs to be treated at its place of origin,  in order to be able to evaluate with a more panoramic perspective.

I agree with Dr Carson,  that we can take the medical equipment there:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/disease.htm

That being said,  we must remember that these are people whose main religion is Voodoo and all the superstitions that go with it.  These are people who are very distrustful of modern medicine and all of its accoutrements that go with it,  and honestly,  can we blame them,  when they see our world of zoot suits entering their once peaceful domain.  It is a very challenging situation at best,  but we needn't put the rest of the world  (BTW,  where is China and Russia in all this,  there certainly not stepping up to the plate)  specifically The United States of America,  at any more risk than we already have.

salonpas586 reads

.......their numbers would not have been decimated by diseases such as measles, scarlet fever, typhoid, typhus, influenza, whooping cough, tuberculosis, cholera, diphtheria, chickenpox and various sexually transmitted diseases

GaGambler485 reads

but we don't have that excuse, we can actually do something to prevent ebola from reaching our shores, in the meantime we need to be doing everything to find a cure, not just for the good of the people in West Africa, but for our own good as well. We might be able to contain it over there for a while, but just like the Native Americans, we can't hold it back forever.

The 3,000 to 49,000 death figure you cited is the high and low over the last 31 years, PER YEAR. The average per year year, pending the way it is counted is either 23,000 or 36,000

Higher than Ebola it can't even be compared. If as the WHO predicts there are 1,000,000 Ebola cases by January 2015 the flu season this year or even the last ten, added together, world wide will not total the deaths from Ebola. They don't truly know how to protect people or you wouldn't see doctors and nurses dying from it. At a 50% kill rate there have been only a couple outbreaks since 1945 that could even come close.  

Posted By: JackDunphy
The 3,000 to 49,000 death figure you cited is the high and low over the last 31 years, PER YEAR. The average per year year, pending the way it is counted is either 23,000 or 36,000.  
   
 

salonpas572 reads

.........if a country like Nigeria, with a third world health care system, can contain/eradicate Ebola disease we should have no problem doing the same with our first rate health care system. Now about the Dallas nurse who has just contracted Ebola disease, a sibling who is a health care professional and has had Ebola training suspects she probably contracted the Ebola disease while removing her protective outfit. Unfortunately this is how most of the health care workers in Africa treating Ebola patients have contracted the disease.

DA_Flex342 reads

Perpetrated mostly bynthenidots at Fox News. There is no problem here.  If you guys recall they hype around H1N1 a few years ago. There are perfectly reasonable steps we can take to reduce risk with travelers entering the country. Screening for high temps before de planing, visual inspection. Even then, that virus was over hyped.

You are only exposed to as much hype as you want to take in.

Unions are liking the hype.

Posted By: DA_Flex
Perpetrated mostly bynthenidots at Fox News. There is no problem here.  If you guys recall they hype around H1N1 a few years ago. There are perfectly reasonable steps we can take to reduce risk with travelers entering the country. Screening for high temps before de planing, visual inspection. Even then, that virus was over hyped.

DA_Flex456 reads

Unions?  Huh?

Posted By: JohnyComeAlready
You are only exposed to as much hype as you want to take in.  
   
 Unions are liking the hype.  
   
Posted By: DA_Flex
Perpetrated mostly bynthenidots at Fox News. There is no problem here.  If you guys recall they hype around H1N1 a few years ago. There are perfectly reasonable steps we can take to reduce risk with travelers entering the country. Screening for high temps before de planing, visual inspection. Even then, that virus was over hyped.

Tell that in NYC ..
 here seems everybody  also .. is from other country  
 In airports so many travelers from Africa - all of them have US passport  how deal with that ?
 I think WHO ( World health organization ) should gave green to such sanctions as stop those Africans US citizens leave the country ... or if they wish to leave  and help family there - just please do not come back year a so ..  but truly during the summer it was in airports as all Africa moving to NYC  and everybody has  US passport  
 Sorry .. not  a racist just worry for our kids

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