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says Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal in a recent interview from Qatar.

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The complete and total destruction of Israel and the genocide of all Jews in the Middle East is the stated policy of Hamas. There is no desire for Peace with Israel. They won't even acknowledge Israel's right to exist.

Meshaal has admitted it was Hamas that kidnapped and murdered three teenagers, including an American citizen, and more so, that they were legitimate targets of the resistance. Where is the clamor, the uproar, the UN condemnation? (crickets chirping)

When three Jewish children are murdered, the world exhorts Israel to "show restraint".
When Hamas fires thousands of rockets into civilian areas of Israel, the world shouts "Israel, show restraint!"

When an Arab teenager is killed by Jewish extremists in retaliation, the Muslim world explodes, anti-Semitic activities increase by over 500%, Nazi symbols are spray-painted on Jewish synagogues, willywonka gets his first erection since 2009, the UN condemns Israel for its brutality, and John Kerry travels to Qatar to forge a peace deal with HAMAS, a terrorist organization on the United States list of Terrorist Organizations.Egregious and pointedly anti-Jewish incidents around the world, mostly perpetrated by Muslims, but some perpetrated by good old fashioned Red-Blooded American Patriots with swastikas and Nazi SS symbols tattooed on their foreheads.

Now, in their latest cease fire violation, Hamas has directly struck a synagogue and murdered a 4 year old child. Hamas no longer refers to Israel as "the Zionist Occupier", they are finally coming out and saying "the Jews". Reports from journalists covering Gaza have come in regarding the brutal suppression of objectivity, with threats of personal violence placed on any reporter who does not follow Hamas dogma and direction in reporting.Video footage has proven the civilian death toll claims coming from Gaza have been inflated due to the same dead people showing up in different locations, on different days, wearing different clothing. And in one particularly telling instance, moving their shroud out of the way so they can scratch their nose (TY NdtBf). Where is the outrage? (crickets chirping)

UN officials have proclaimed Israel is at fault because it does not share its Iron dome tech with Hamas.
UN-run schools in Gaza are used as launching pads and storage facilities for Hamas rockets.  
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? (cue the sound of a pin drop)

Why aren't Jews around the world rising up and committing random acts of violence and mayhem against the Arabs? I'll tell you why. Because the Jews are a civilized people who want peace and wish to continue doing good works to provide the world with advances in engineering, medicine, science, computer and high-tech, agriculture and animal husbandry, not to mention sophisticated and superior military tech. We have our extremists like any other monotheistic religion in the world. But you tell me. Who do you think is more likely to kill you over your choice of God? A Jew, or an Islamist? for cryin' out loud, ITS IN THEIR DOCTRINE TO KILL THE INFIDEL!!! that doesn't mean just me, it means ANY of you who are not Muslim born and raised. And they kill each other within their own ranks, or do you really think the Sunni vs Shiite thing is just an Arabic Romeo and Juliet?

What do Hamas and their Arab sponsors contribute to the world besides finding more brutal ways to kill and terrorize? Oil? Even the Saudis are keeping a lower profile this time around, because they see the threat of Hamas, Iran, and Islamic fundamentalism to be an even greater concern than Israel, who they already know has no desire for conflict.

How many of you have actual, real world, boots-on-the-ground experience with terrorism in the Middle East? Military, civilian, or otherwise? I've survived two terrorist attacks when I was in Israel, in 1964, a full 3 years before the 6 day War, and again in 1971. I've seen, heard, and experienced first hand the  results of their evil. As far as I am concerned, that gives me the right to talk about the events in the Middle East.  

Who the fuck are these "willy wonka's of the world",( the ones who have never been to nor have a clue about it) to call Israel an Apartheid state when in fact, Arab citizens of Israel enjoy more democracy and personal freedoms than anywhere else in Pan-Arabia. Arabs living in Israel do not want to move to Gaza or the West Bank, they do not want to lose what they are allowed to have in Israel. Jews on the other hand, are experiencing prejudice and hatred unlike anything seen since the rise of German and Arab Nazism in the 30's. Even on this board, I'm not the only one who's noticed an uptick in the mindless and senseless hatred of anything Jewish being spewed. And these are from people who've probably never met a Jew who wasn't a Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, or successful entrepreneur.

But the Jews of today are not the same humble scholars, sheepherders and simple farmers the Nazis murdered in World War II. The Jews of today comprise descendants of those Holocaust Survivors, myself included. We will defend ourselves and our loved ones. And I for one, am not going to back down from any threats. You can kill me, you will not intimidate me. Never Again.

When ISIS follows through with their threats of a mass attack on the United States on 9/11/14, who the fuck do you think will be cheering in the streets, and who the fuck do you think will be the first to offer their assistance?

My time here is almost over. I'm not going to go quietly. Never Again.

I don't see many other possible explanations regarding "The World's" lack of outrage other than  
anti-Semitism as its root. Many are more truly anti-Zionists but some of those use that as a shield. Then there are those that claim they only want peace for all sides. That group is just stupid or arrogant.

GaGambler545 reads

and I am usually the first one to point out false "race baiting" as BP will surely agree, BUT even i have noticed a marked upswing in anti semitism here, and it is a bit disturbing.

I mean I expect stupid bullshit from the likes of Willy Wonka, after all he is the same guy who pissed all over himself in glee at the death of some "rich guy" the guy who invented the "segway", but I am starting to see some real jew bashing under the cover of being Anti Zionist as well, and it not very becoming to the people making the remarks.  Some of the barely veiled hate that is coming through these posts speaks volumes about the people making them, and truth be told, I am outright ashamed on behalf of the people making these posts, Willy included of course, but others as well.

I guess hatred of rich people, regardless of how they acquired their wealth has spilled over into outright Jew Bashing, I guess as the Chinese begin to control more and more of the world economy I guess "Chink bashing" is right around the corner.

"Then there are those that claim they only want peace for all sides. That group is just stupid or arrogant."

Would you mind clarifying who "those that claim they only want peace for all sides" are?

Perhaps, that answer may clarify in what way that makes them "stupid or arrogant."

Posted By: mattradd
Would you mind clarifying who "those that claim they only want peace for all sides" are?
For you? Yes.

I just wanted to check it out, because some people do believe their generalizations do reflect reality. I'm glad to see you don't, sincerely.

I leave it to you and others to decide who it applies to.

If you're playing coy, do you really think you're all that important?  If you don't have the guts to say, why?

I left you an easy out to keep this thread from being hijacked like our last encounter, but you couldn't leave it alone. So, I'll let you have the last word, so as not to do so.   ;)

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Just to add to your thoughts, the Knesset is made up of 11% of Arabs. They have the same voting rights, working rights, government benefits, ability to follow their faith, intermarriage rights, etc that every other Israeli possesses. Yeah, some Apartheid state. Lol.

On another note, can you imagine if Miami was being rocketed from Cuba? How much "restraint" would those Americans want from the U.S. Govt? What a bunch of bullshit. EVERY one of us here would want the threat completely annihilated with zero casualty lose of their fellow Americans and asa fucking p to boot.

Nice one Doc. You have EVERY reason to be outraged and sickened from some of the posts here and by much of the worlds hostility towards Jews.

And yes, Israeli's do act paranoid at times. But that is only b/c everyone around them wants them dead.

I don't have much of an opinion one way or the other. I do believe you are right about your aparthide state comment  based on the information I have gathered.

 
I was just wondering why Cuba would be launching rockets into Miami?

Posted By: JackDunphy
Just to add to your thoughts, the Knesset is made up of 11% of Arabs. They have the same voting rights, working rights, government benefits, ability to follow their faith, intermarriage rights, etc that every other Israeli possesses. Yeah, some Apartheid state. Lol.  
   
 On another note, can you imagine if Miami was being rocketed from Cuba? How much "restraint" would those Americans want from the U.S. Govt? What a bunch of bullshit. EVERY one of us here would want the threat completely annihilated with zero casualty lose of their fellow Americans and asa fucking p to boot.  
   
 Nice one Doc. You have EVERY reason to be outraged and sickened from some of the posts here and by much of the worlds hostility towards Jews.  
   
 And yes, Israeli's do act paranoid at times. But that is only b/c everyone around them wants them dead.

Just like the bully's on the playground get support through fear and intimidation, the world is afraid of the Radical Islamist not the Jew. Why, because as you said, the Jew's are civilized. An, for many of us in the states, Radical Islamist gets generalized to anyone of Muslim faith. There are plenty of Muslims who do believe in peaceful coexistence, and who do want peace, as those Israeli Arabs you mentioned. And, I believe there are many honest, sincere people, on both side, trying to build trust, on both sides, for a peaceful solution. Unfortunately, it's the radicals, the bully's who get their way. And so, the Western world is in fear of the radical Islamist, not the Israeli. Hence, the Western world fails to speak the truth, for fear of inflaming the radical Islamist, and knowing the friend and ally, Israel, will not retaliate. I don't always agree with what Israel has done, or not done to reduce the violence around them; like continuing to build new settlements, which I believe reduces the Palestinian's hope of a two state solution .But, they have a representative government which is there to implement the policies that it's citizens feel are needed to protect them. And, the Palestinians bear responsibility for their behavior in response to what they view as their hopes being undermined or dashed.  

In my view, much of the way the Western world is expecting Israel to respond to those attacking her is like having you or me think about the personal history, which drove the person, who is putting a gun to our head, before defending ourselves. Yes, desperate people do desperate things, but it is truly a foolish expectation, and unreasonable demand to expect one to contemplate such when one is being threatened. When the person puts down the gun, and relinquishes it, then that can be considered.

Regarding antisemitism, aside from it's long and complicated history; all I can say for it's present manifestations is, it tapes into my initial illustration about the school yard bully; scapegoating. A group doesn't typically scapegoat another person or group, if they are truly afraid of imminent retaliation from them. Rene Girard has some excellent writings on the subject.

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