Be serious! If we all remember correctly, a few years back... Gfe=spending the whole hour, COVERED BJ, and that's about it. BBBJ was an upcharge. Kissing was unheard of. And greek, don't even get me started. When CLIENTS decided they wanted more, and got it from a few ladies that were willing to do so to bring in more clients, the standard GFE changed to everything under the sun! Shit, most of the clients expect greek even with a standard rate because of ladies who are trying to undercut others and offer it in a standard session. Not to mention, the guys who always are expecting EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN are also usually the guys asking for "specials" or discounts. If guys want a girl that does everything for a decent price, then one would think, they'd be willing to give a freaking selfie. As a matter of fact, I see guys with their pic plastered on their p411's all the time. So obviously, there's some that don't have a problem with their pic being out there, even without being asked. Our's are and if we block our face, folks ask for face shots like they're subject to privy pics of us when obviously, we don't show for our own reasons. So in short, I doubt it will become the "new norm", but if it happens to by chance, I'm sure folks will adjust and still play. Although, I HIGHLY DOUBT that this will become a norm.
LezBeReal
I tried to make a appointment with a well-reviewed local massage provider. Her scheduler, Ava, requires a selfie. I refused, so no appointment. Do guys regularly provide this?
Guys offer to send me selfies as "screening" but really a selfie with no name provides nothing. I can't imagine why they would require this.
They could match the picture you send with you driver's license, if they also require you to send a picture of that. But I don't see the need.
Smart choice. Thanks for putting a name to the scheduler. The more information that exposes who is doing this is in our best interest .
Lets not hand them the keys to the kingdom with all this personal information is my motto. The only thing they need to know is who I may have seen and if my cash is good. And if I treat the respectfuly when we meet. All else none of their god damn business.
If they want my pic these schedulers can sure as hell give me and us their personal identity. Fair is fair right. So the question is how much personal info are you willing to put in the control of someone else? You release it you loose control , but I'm sure its all deleted, just ask them they would never lie.
Hey heres a thought lets get a list of providers using this scheduler going . Real change comes from real consequences. And people wonder why the scheduler racket is not always in the best interest of the hobby.
Rise up have some balls and say enough is enough . But I'm not holding my breath on this happening. Go true independents .
I refuse to use a scheduler or see a provider that will not accept my TER handle and whitelist referrals for screening. If that's not good enough then I will be sharing my time and money with one of the many other lovely ladies for whom that is acceptable.
Well said !
Lets not hand them the keys to the kingdom with all this personal information is my motto. The only thing they need to know is who I may have seen and if my cash is good. And if I treat the respectfully when we meet. All else none of their god damn business.
Clients: provide all information plus now, TER is't good enough ? Is there another society/group for profit we need to join to prove are self ( not good )
Providers: How do we know your safe and will deliver? By this site. PLEASE !
Lets not hand them the keys to the kingdom with all this personal information is my motto. The only thing they need to know is who I may have seen and if my cash is good. And if I treat the respectfuly when we meet. All else none of their god damn business.
No matter how much you bitch or gripe or try to boycott their will always be ladies that use screeners. That is the ladies choice. She can run her business however she sees fit.
You as gentlemen can choose not to see a lady based on her screening practices, rates, looks, services, or just the way she places an ad.
But please don't think that just because you are paying for a service that she can't have her own criteria. What does beating this subject of schedulers to death do.... NOTHING!!
Ladies are going to do what makes them feel safe and gentlemen are going to do the same. Did you ever think that If all of a sudden a scheduler that wasn't previously asking for pictures is now doing so. That tells me that maybe something might have happened and now trying to be sure that it doesn't happen again. Their could be any number of reasons for this.
I would love if everyone would do what is within their comfort zone and call it a day. No need to throw tantrums we are all adults here.
Happy Hobbying!!!
Andrea
Andrea....great post... .and is spot on.
If you don't feel comfortable sending the information asked of you. Then don't see that provider. If you want to "prove" a point. Tell the scheduler that you don't feel comfortable with providing that info and you will have to pass on the encounter
No one ever said they don't have a choice, or right to set their own criteria did they? No we simply made it known that it's being asked . So that we who pay the bills, and we do, can decide who and what to support in the hobby community. What is this some secret society now? Hey said schduler is more than welcome to come in the ring and state her / his case. Don't expect but ,hey free to speak. Any scheduler want to come in the ring?
No one called for boycott did they? My position is I will not I will not support monetarily or the idea of asking for it until they are willing to do the same. You know the ol bait and switch thing. Fat chance that's going to happen. We both know that.
Correct we choose who to or not to see just like the ladies based on what ? Information. Does that mean we suck it up and just stay silent if we disagree. Hell No not me. WK you go ahead.
Maybe whoever this scheduler is has a valid reason maybe not. But if they feel it's necessary ,give us the courtesy to at least put that information in all those ads they write then we can decide to pursue or not with scheduling . .I'll start looking for it. If as you say it makes them more comfortable , fine . But don't entice clients in with your ads then ask them for this information. But we all know that's a slim chance. Why , i bet those emails slow down considerably. No Golden Pussy syndrome for me .
You as gentlemen can choose not to see a lady based on her screening practices, rates, looks, services, or just the way she places an ad.
But please don't think that just because you are paying for a service that she can't have her own criteria. What does beating this subject of schedulers to death do.... NOTHING!!
Ladies are going to do what makes them feel safe and gentlemen are going to do the same. Did you ever think that If all of a sudden a scheduler that wasn't previously asking for pictures is now doing so. That tells me that maybe something might have happened and now trying to be sure that it doesn't happen again. Their could be any number of reasons for this.
I would love if everyone would do what is within their comfort zone and call it a day. No need to throw tantrums we are all adults here.
Happy Hobbying!!!
Andrea
I fully support your decision to not see a provider that uses a scheduler. You know why.. It's your American Right to do so. I am not by any way shape or form discounting how you feel on this subject. I am just saying that for every guy that has a problem with seeing a lady who uses a scheduler their are other gentlemen that don't.
I just find every couple of months having this same old conversation is becoming redundant.
I know Indy ladies that require selfies. Some gentlemen are okay with it and others are not.
By continuing talking about it is just like beating a dead horse. If it makes you feel better to say your peace then so be it. That is your right and you have freedom of speech to back you. I am just not seeing the point anymore.
Play Safe!
Andrea
I have made appointments via schedulers before and it has worked fine. Sending selfies in order to get an appointment is a bridge I'm not willing to cross.
Its a dead horse to you maybe , but to us who have skin in the game , its not. And the OP main point was not about using or not using a scheduler in general. He simply asked is it reasonable for a third party with nothing but a financial stake to ask this and get others responce to that request correct?
The conversation has changed because of the fact that if not questioned this could become the new norm. Well lets hope not but time will tell wont it.
More and more personal information requested more and more money expected and less service for said fee . Hey maybe why this seems redundunt to some eh.
Those who spoke up hear saying no on this idea, nice to see not all have been castrated. Ava you got anything to say on this?
I just find every couple of months having this same old conversation is becoming redundant.
I know Indy ladies that require selfies. Some gentlemen are okay with it and others are not.
By continuing talking about it is just like beating a dead horse. If it makes you feel better to say your peace then so be it. That is your right and you have freedom of speech to back you. I am just not seeing the point anymore.
Play Safe!
Andrea
Be serious! If we all remember correctly, a few years back... Gfe=spending the whole hour, COVERED BJ, and that's about it. BBBJ was an upcharge. Kissing was unheard of. And greek, don't even get me started. When CLIENTS decided they wanted more, and got it from a few ladies that were willing to do so to bring in more clients, the standard GFE changed to everything under the sun! Shit, most of the clients expect greek even with a standard rate because of ladies who are trying to undercut others and offer it in a standard session. Not to mention, the guys who always are expecting EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN are also usually the guys asking for "specials" or discounts. If guys want a girl that does everything for a decent price, then one would think, they'd be willing to give a freaking selfie. As a matter of fact, I see guys with their pic plastered on their p411's all the time. So obviously, there's some that don't have a problem with their pic being out there, even without being asked. Our's are and if we block our face, folks ask for face shots like they're subject to privy pics of us when obviously, we don't show for our own reasons. So in short, I doubt it will become the "new norm", but if it happens to by chance, I'm sure folks will adjust and still play. Although, I HIGHLY DOUBT that this will become a norm.
LezBeReal
I fully agree with you about what I s the new norm. It is always changing.
I don't necessarily agree with a lady making it a requirement that she have a selfie, but that is not my right to judge her. She can do what she wants.
I have noticed a lot of gentlemen lately booking by email and saying they aren't willing to give me a call for my location. Ok, no problem then please find someone that is willing to give out their location without speaking to you, but I am not. My reasoning for not doing that is because I have had numerous guy recently forward me conversations that they have had with other ladies for their screening information. They don't care that within those conversations a ladies address is in those emails. I don't find it funny at all. So when I see that I immediately decline the appointment as I don't want them to do that same thing to me.
Based on conversations with other providers I am surprised many of these clients are on top of the system enough to send references of any sort in their first communication.
Keep your standards and stay safe
I require a little chit chat by phone before any session. It makes the actual meet more comfortable.
Some of us older gents have a bit of a hearing problem, so we don't necessarily like phone conversations. If anybody speaks lightly or if their phone's microphone isn't particularly high fidelity, it is often very hard to understand what is being said.
You as gentlemen can choose not to see a lady based on her screening practices, rates, looks, services, or just the way she places an ad.
But please don't think that just because you are paying for a service that she can't have her own criteria. What does beating this subject of schedulers to death do.... NOTHING!!
Ladies are going to do what makes them feel safe and gentlemen are going to do the same. Did you ever think that If all of a sudden a scheduler that wasn't previously asking for pictures is now doing so. That tells me that maybe something might have happened and now trying to be sure that it doesn't happen again. Their could be any number of reasons for this.
I would love if everyone would do what is within their comfort zone and call it a day. No need to throw tantrums we are all adults here.
Happy Hobbying!!!
Andrea
Anyone who doesn't give me a name... I'm not gonna call you "bob" cuz you don't want to give me a name, I mean come on, Discretion works both ways.. But a selfie of the client? Seriously is STUPID!!! No one need to go to that measure for screening... There's too many tools out there that you don't need a selfie of a client..... And I screen hard..
Happy hump day everyone!!!
It's been a Beautiful day so far!!!
Xoxo
she's not getting enough appointments because of this she will drop that requirement. I'd stay away.
Ended up online on a John site or a local news website etc?
I wouldn't give out a picture for the same reasons I wouldn't use my real name, email, phone or home address. The risks out weigh the rewards when I can find other ladies who will see me based on references and P411. To each their own and like some ladies pointed out they have the right to ask for what ever they need to feel comfortable but remember safety and comfort are two way streets. Comfort wise I couldn't do it and would rather not participate in this if that was a hard and fast requirement.
Thankfully it hasn't been for me.
If you have a facebook or other source of your pictures online you could send one of them. It gives plausible deniability in the future because anyone could have copied that photo
The lady does. Ava schedules for other ladies that do not require photo id(selfie).
Moot point as it does not change the fact that it was asked of him . And she reponds on their behalf . And she could have made that clear to him in those smoochie emails. Whos asking is not the main point . Its what information he was being asked to provide that is.
Talon ,
This isnt the ol bait and switch game is it?
If my ability to provider references, my P411 OKs, and my TER history isn't good enough then I move on.
I sent a neck-down pic once to a provider who was looking only for clients with bods that met her standards (mine didn't), but I have to say "no thanks" on a face shot. And I've never been asked to do that.
Next time, send the scheduler a dick pic. Under the circumstances, that seems appropriate and sufficient.
I like showing my dick but no one wants to look.