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JohnyComeAlready 563 reads
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You aren't old enough to buy alcohol. How could you possibly relate to the life of an indentured servant from the 1800's ?  

 
Help me see the world through your eyes.
Posted By: MissLolaLuxe
 
   
Posted By: gsee60606
From a hobby point of view, attraction is not determined by race. However, some races have more of the traits that are attractive to me.  
     
  In a civie relationship, culture differences are important. For me, I come from a middle class suburban background, and I have more in common with others from a middle class suburban background. That is regardless of their race. There are a lot of Caucasian women where it just could not work. For me, ethnic differences are much more manageable than class differences.  
     
  Much as I would like to date a daughter from Dowton Abby, someone downstairs would be a better match for me - as is someone who understands that comment without googling downtown abby.  
 
   
 THIS!!!!!! I also come from a middle class background. It IS very unfortunate that the middle class isn't much of a melting pot. But that has more to do with access to education (and a good one). Generations of families are destroyed because the lack of access to education and it is unfortunate. Not to say that their aren't plenty of successful middle class black families there are. But due to certain events in our history it has made it excruciatingly difficult to remove ones self from poverty and move up in class (that's a whole other topic though).  
   
 Thank you for your reply!

Hello Darlings!  

I have been trying desperately to avoid this board at all costs, mainly because with anything involving politics and religion it can get pretty hot and not in a sexy way. But I am very curious to learn about hobbyists view on race politics in relation to the hobby. For my first question, do you exclusively see providers of a different race? If so why? If not, why not? And do you think you feel more comfortable sleeping with someone of a different race (provider/ FWB/ casual), than actually dating them? Why?  

The reason I connect this to race politics is mainly because I've noticed men of different races than my own tend to feel more comfortable with a sexual relationship with someone of a different race than actually dating them because they believe there are vast culturally differences (Keep in mind I'm referring to men outside of my generation). In my personal opinion I find this very problematic as it sexualizes the person of color's body whilst not respecting them enough to see beyond the color. I wonder do these beliefs still apply? And how should we go about having a discussion on how race is a social construct and truly nothing more or less (especially in the United States).

I'm open to everyone's opinions, even if I differ from them. I want this to be a truly open and honest space to discuss this. Please be respectful.

Miss Lola Luxe

GaGambler824 reads

and just about every combination of the above.

and for the record, I have also dated ladies that were all of the above as well.

I guess there are those who will "fuck but not date" members of different races, but in spite of my "advanced age" of 55, that never applied to me.

BTW asking people to be respectful on the P&R board is like pouring bloody chum into shark infested waters.

Have you ever thought that your issue with these men might be a "hooker' issue, and not an issue of race? Lots of men secretly, or not so secretly, resent the women they pay to have sex with. Or maybe in your case, it's a little of both? Who knows, I can only speak for myself and none of this applies to me or my life.

Well thank you for your response. I still don't have an issue with men not wanting to date me because in my personal life I prefer to date women so doesn't even apply to me. I was talking about over all in the hobby and outside of it.  

Asking people to be respectful was just that nothing more nothing less. If it irks you that much to ask people to respect others boundaries and opinions that's unfortunate.

-- Modified on 8/11/2014 1:46:49 PM

GaGambler510 reads

It's not so much that I have a problem with your "request" but asking people to be respectful on a political board is amusing at best. If you don't believe me ask ANYBODY here, they will all confirm what I am saying. Welcome to the leper colony otherwise known as P&R. lol

Obviously he's right, no one disputed that. But it's not hard to take a step back from one's ego and be open and respectful to other people [trust me it isn't, I have a sharp tongue myself]. If that's difficult for people then again, it's unfortunate! You don't have to like anyone but you should respect them and what they have to say. Agreeing doesn't equal respect. It is much more positive and productive to be open and listen. Not puff out one's chest as if anyone cares, this is the internet, no one does.

GaGambler482 reads

You coming on here insisting that people treat you with respect is akin to coming into a locker room and insisting that the guys quit snapping towels. Quite frankly not all people deserve respect, and you TELLING us how to act is most likely going to have the opposite effect.

and the fact that no one, including people who flat out don't like me, have disagreed with on this point should tell you something. If you would like to tilt at windmills be my guest, but you aren't going to change the tone of this board. It's been tried before, by people much more persuasive than you I might add,  but good luck. You are going to need it here.

Posted By: GaGambler
It's not so much that I have a problem with your "request" but asking people to be respectful on a political board is amusing at best. If you don't believe me ask ANYBODY here, they will all confirm what I am saying. Welcome to the leper colony otherwise known as P&R. lol

I'm not disputing that but again, no reason to get in a tizzy.

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Posted By: MissLolaLuxe
Well thank you for your response. I still don't have an issue with men not wanting to date me because in my personal life I prefer to date women so doesn't even apply to me. I was talking about over all in the hobby and outside of it.  
   
 Asking people to be respectful was just that nothing more nothing less. If it irks you that much to ask people to respect others boundaries and opinions that's unfortunate.

Point of Fact Lola: On THIS board, in THIS forum, there are no rules of civility beyond what TER's censorship policies dictate.

GaGambler IS on his best behavior.  

Wait till someone posts a hot button topic and THEN watch the fireworks

Posted By: youknowwhoiam
 
   
Posted By: MissLolaLuxe
Well thank you for your response. I still don't have an issue with men not wanting to date me because in my personal life I prefer to date women so doesn't even apply to me. I was talking about over all in the hobby and outside of it.    
     
  Asking people to be respectful was just that nothing more nothing less. If it irks you that much to ask people to respect others boundaries and opinions that's unfortunate.  
   
 Point of Fact Lola: On THIS board, in THIS forum, there are no rules of civility beyond what TER's censorship policies dictate.  
   
 GaGambler IS on his best behavior.  
   
 Wait till someone posts a hot button topic and THEN watch the fireworks!  
 
 

That's all well and dandy, but I'm still going to request people on MY THREADS to be respectful. Why? Because as adults it shouldn't be hard, if it is do not click on my threads. I want to have a legitimate discussion and that doesn't not involve being disrespectful to others. One can not have an intelligent debate if they are name calling & just being flat out rude and that is what encompasses disrespect. So, do not do it.

With me it's about body type. I like the petite provider. Even though I have made love to African American and Latina women, it is less frequent than Asian and Caucasian because of the percentages of each race in relation to my preferred build.

As far as dating, I like women at my socio-economic level. Again, that, unfortunately, is mostly Caucasian in our society.

no matter what color, and whether they be total strangers, colleagues or friends, lovers or providers. I do have a preferred body type, independent of race. Who I choose to be with as a professional has to do with value, which for me is availability, price, what's on the menu. and probability having the time promised as advertized. In my area that tends to be a certain group of providers. That's been my experience, and I have no issue regarding what you report your experience as being.

JackDunphy620 reads

I am generally not attracted to very dark African looking women or very pale, red head freckles white girls. I prefer tanned/olive skin women and some light skinned African American women.  

Of course there are exceptions so I wouldnt rule it out in the future, but with SO many women in my preferred skin color range its unlikely I will see a girl out of it.

The Italian/Hispanic/Greek is my preference 95% of the time. I do see blonds on occasion but they are almost always the deeply tanned, super curvy and in great physical shape type.

This is true for me both in p4p and IRL dating.  

As for the racial politics of it all, I dont think you can come to any solid conclusions Lola due to your small sample set of people that you have met personally.

Frankly, when I hear African Americans and white liberals say we need to "talk about race", it is my experience that they want to take that opportunity to scold/lecture to conservatives rather than have a REAL discussion about race. I am NOT accusing you of this Lola as I am referring to mostly liberal media elites.

For those who don't know the definition of exotic, look up the word.

 

Why? because I'm not getting with them IRL, at least not for free!

Posted By: JackDunphy
I am generally not attracted to very dark African looking women or very pale, red head freckles white girls. I prefer tanned/olive skin women and some light skinned African American women.  
   
 Of course there are exceptions so I wouldnt rule it out in the future, but with SO many women in my preferred skin color range its unlikely I will see a girl out of it.  
   
 The Italian/Hispanic/Greek is my preference 95% of the time. I do see blonds on occasion but they are almost always the deeply tanned, super curvy and in great physical shape type.  
   
 This is true for me both in p4p and IRL dating.  
   
 As for the racial politics of it all, I dont think you can come to any solid conclusions Lola due to your small sample set of people that you have met personally.  
   
 Frankly, when I hear African Americans and white liberals say we need to "talk about race", it is my experience that they want to take that opportunity to scold/lecture to conservatives rather than have a REAL discussion about race. I am NOT accusing you of this Lola as I am referring to mostly liberal media elites.
Thank you for your reply.

I understand what you mean. I'm taking my sample set personally and through the many critical writings of Malcom X, James Baldwin, Toni Morrison, Alice Walker and a few other African American writers who researched this long ago and what I believe still applies today.  

The problem with many liberal ( I do not identify as liberal) is that they attack the person and NOT the social construct. I have ZERO interest in attacking white people. This was not created by individual people that still exist today it's much bigger than that.

wrps07664 reads

Men can buy/rent women for services with just about any race. What you are probably are seeing is something to do with pricing. You have priced your self to be an elite provider. So guys with the wealth will see you no matter the race. They look at your reviews, pictures and turned on. They are also buying you because they want friends with benefits. They don't have time for a relationship.  

Don't let the color of your skin get in the way of fun. Enjoy yourself and the money while you can get it.  Your color is beautiful and a turnon.

Some guys are turned on seeing providers with long hair or provider with long hair wigs/attachments/extensions. You see them one day it takes some work to get them hard. Another day with long hair or as one lady told me ("Hoe hair") they get an instant hardon.

Posted By: wrps07
Men can buy/rent women for services with just about any race. What you are probably are seeing is something to do with pricing. You have priced your self to be an elite provider. So guys with the wealth will see you no matter the race. They look at your reviews, pictures and turned on. They are also buying you because they want friends with benefits. They don't have time for a relationship.    
   
 Don't let the color of your skin get in the way of fun. Enjoy yourself and the money while you can get it.  Your color is beautiful and a turnon.  
   
 Some guys are turned on seeing providers with long hair or provider with long hair wigs/attachments/extensions. You see them one day it takes some work to get them hard. Another day with long hair or as one lady told me ("Hoe hair") they get an instant hardon.  
 
Everyone I'm NOT talking about myself. I'm talking about what I see happen society. I am fortunate enough to where this doesn't happen to me personally, please Terra's what I wrote

I cannot even imagine seeing and having sex with anyone other than a Caucasian blonde girl.   She has to be a blonde and big busted, fake or real.

Posted By: csekhar73
I cannot even imagine seeing and having sex with anyone other than a Caucasian blonde girl.   She has to be a blonde and big busted, fake or real.
This is what I call a preference and I will definitely make a board of preference vs racism. I think that should be interesting.

Most ethnicity has limited social circle even in mist big cities. Someone will,know someone who knows someone.  

Think about it.

Welcome to the ole P&R. We do tend to duke it out pretty hard and heavy around here, and basically you either sink or swim. Just don't take anything too personally around here. The point of this board is for loud mouths to be loud mouths.  

I don't have any limits on seeing a provider of any race. Spice is the verity of life, and hobbying provides plenty of verity. Let me know if you ever plan to tour the DC area.

I think culture probably plays into this more than anything. People of different races often listen to different types of music, watch different TV shows and movies, order different things at bars, have different hobbies.

Posted By: willywonka4u
Welcome to the ole P&R. We do tend to duke it out pretty hard and heavy around here, and basically you either sink or swim. Just don't take anything too personally around here. The point of this board is for loud mouths to be loud mouths.  
   
 I don't have any limits on seeing a provider of any race. Spice is the verity of life, and hobbying provides plenty of verity. Let me know if you ever plan to tour the DC area.  
   
 I think culture probably plays into this more than anything. People of different races often listen to different types of music, watch different TV shows and movies, order different things at bars, have different hobbies.
I agree thank you for this response!

GaGambler633 reads

She knows you will "fuck" a black woman (or white, asian, latina etal) but would you have a relationship with one?

There are a lot of flat out racists who have zero problems fucking women of all races, but would NEVER been seen in public with "one of them" I think that's what the OP was trying to get at. From what I remember of your posts when you first came on this board, I think you actually fall into to that category of white men, or at least you used to. Maybe you have grown a bit since then? Yeah, right. What was I thinking? lmao

Posted By: GaGambler
She knows you will "fuck" a black woman (or white, asian, latina etal) but would you have a relationship with one?

There are a lot of flat out racists who have zero problems fucking women of all races, but would NEVER been seen in public with "one of them" I think that's what the OP was trying to get at. From what I remember of your posts when you first came on this board, I think you actually fall into to that category of white men, or at least you used to. Maybe you have grown a bit since then? Yeah, right. What was I thinking? lmao

While I was talking about this issue; social standing and socioeconomic standing have a lot to do with it. Two people of a similar education and background are just bound to understand one another better regardless of race. (Ex: 1 black middle class man and 1 white middle class woman, would most likely get along better than 1 white middle
Class man and 1 white lower class woman).

GaGambler706 reads

I read your post not to be whether or not a man would "pay" to have sex with someone of another race, but whether or not he could have a relationship. Two completely different dynamics.

In a P4P relationship the guy is the "buyer" and in his mind at least, he can still be superior to a woman he looks down on even while paying her to fuck him. In a "dating" dynamic, both parties are equal, a bigot is not going to go down that road and allow a person of color to be his equal.

From a hobby point of view, attraction is not determined by race. However, some races have more of the traits that are attractive to me.

In a civie relationship, culture differences are important. For me, I come from a middle class suburban background, and I have more in common with others from a middle class suburban background. That is regardless of their race. There are a lot of Caucasian women where it just could not work. For me, ethnic differences are much more manageable than class differences.

Much as I would like to date a daughter from Dowton Abby, someone downstairs would be a better match for me - as is someone who understands that comment without googling downtown abby

Posted By: gsee60606
From a hobby point of view, attraction is not determined by race. However, some races have more of the traits that are attractive to me.  
   
 In a civie relationship, culture differences are important. For me, I come from a middle class suburban background, and I have more in common with others from a middle class suburban background. That is regardless of their race. There are a lot of Caucasian women where it just could not work. For me, ethnic differences are much more manageable than class differences.  
   
 Much as I would like to date a daughter from Dowton Abby, someone downstairs would be a better match for me - as is someone who understands that comment without googling downtown abby.  
 
THIS!!!!!! I also come from a middle class background. It IS very unfortunate that the middle class isn't much of a melting pot. But that has more to do with access to education (and a good one). Generations of families are destroyed because the lack of access to education and it is unfortunate. Not to say that their aren't plenty of successful middle class black families there are. But due to certain events in our history it has made it excruciatingly difficult to remove ones self from poverty and move up in class (that's a whole other topic though).

Thank you for your reply!

IOW what is middle class?

Posted By: MissLolaLuxe
 
   
Posted By: gsee60606
From a hobby point of view, attraction is not determined by race. However, some races have more of the traits that are attractive to me.  
     
  In a civie relationship, culture differences are important. For me, I come from a middle class suburban background, and I have more in common with others from a middle class suburban background. That is regardless of their race. There are a lot of Caucasian women where it just could not work. For me, ethnic differences are much more manageable than class differences.  
     
  Much as I would like to date a daughter from Dowton Abby, someone downstairs would be a better match for me - as is someone who understands that comment without googling downtown abby.  
 
   
 THIS!!!!!! I also come from a middle class background. It IS very unfortunate that the middle class isn't much of a melting pot. But that has more to do with access to education (and a good one). Generations of families are destroyed because the lack of access to education and it is unfortunate. Not to say that their aren't plenty of successful middle class black families there are. But due to certain events in our history it has made it excruciatingly difficult to remove ones self from poverty and move up in class (that's a whole other topic though).  
   
 Thank you for your reply!

We all know what the middle class is. Don't do this.

Posted By: JohnyComeAlready
IOW what is middle class?  
   
Posted By: MissLolaLuxe
 
     
Posted By: gsee60606
From a hobby point of view, attraction is not determined by race. However, some races have more of the traits that are attractive to me.    
       
   In a civie relationship, culture differences are important. For me, I come from a middle class suburban background, and I have more in common with others from a middle class suburban background. That is regardless of their race. There are a lot of Caucasian women where it just could not work. For me, ethnic differences are much more manageable than class differences.    
       
   Much as I would like to date a daughter from Dowton Abby, someone downstairs would be a better match for me - as is someone who understands that comment without googling downtown abby.    
   
 
     
  THIS!!!!!! I also come from a middle class background. It IS very unfortunate that the middle class isn't much of a melting pot. But that has more to do with access to education (and a good one). Generations of families are destroyed because the lack of access to education and it is unfortunate. Not to say that their aren't plenty of successful middle class black families there are. But due to certain events in our history it has made it excruciatingly difficult to remove ones self from poverty and move up in class (that's a whole other topic though).  
     
  Thank you for your reply!

You aren't old enough to buy alcohol. How could you possibly relate to the life of an indentured servant from the 1800's ?  

 
Help me see the world through your eyes.

Posted By: MissLolaLuxe
 
   
Posted By: gsee60606
From a hobby point of view, attraction is not determined by race. However, some races have more of the traits that are attractive to me.  
     
  In a civie relationship, culture differences are important. For me, I come from a middle class suburban background, and I have more in common with others from a middle class suburban background. That is regardless of their race. There are a lot of Caucasian women where it just could not work. For me, ethnic differences are much more manageable than class differences.  
     
  Much as I would like to date a daughter from Dowton Abby, someone downstairs would be a better match for me - as is someone who understands that comment without googling downtown abby.  
 
   
 THIS!!!!!! I also come from a middle class background. It IS very unfortunate that the middle class isn't much of a melting pot. But that has more to do with access to education (and a good one). Generations of families are destroyed because the lack of access to education and it is unfortunate. Not to say that their aren't plenty of successful middle class black families there are. But due to certain events in our history it has made it excruciatingly difficult to remove ones self from poverty and move up in class (that's a whole other topic though).  
   
 Thank you for your reply!

Because I am BLACK. I have BLACK , relatives who have lived through the civil rights movement and relatives who lived through the reconstruction area. Like most BLACK history and culture it has been told
By word of mouth due to the lack of REAL representation in our so
Called "history" books. If you don't read and you don't speak to people who have first hand experience of course you wouldn't understand.

 
I'm fortunate enough to have relatives that can truly give me accounts and evidence from our relatives of the 1800s all the way through now. Who still suffer. Please do not think it's difficult to understand, it's not.

Posted By: JohnyComeAlready
You aren't old enough to buy alcohol. How could you possibly relate to the life of an indentured servant from the 1800's ?  
   
   
 Help me see the world through your eyes.  
   
Posted By: MissLolaLuxe
 
     
Posted By: gsee60606
From a hobby point of view, attraction is not determined by race. However, some races have more of the traits that are attractive to me.    
       
   In a civie relationship, culture differences are important. For me, I come from a middle class suburban background, and I have more in common with others from a middle class suburban background. That is regardless of their race. There are a lot of Caucasian women where it just could not work. For me, ethnic differences are much more manageable than class differences.    
       
   Much as I would like to date a daughter from Dowton Abby, someone downstairs would be a better match for me - as is someone who understands that comment without googling downtown abby.    
   
 
     
  THIS!!!!!! I also come from a middle class background. It IS very unfortunate that the middle class isn't much of a melting pot. But that has more to do with access to education (and a good one). Generations of families are destroyed because the lack of access to education and it is unfortunate. Not to say that their aren't plenty of successful middle class black families there are. But due to certain events in our history it has made it excruciatingly difficult to remove ones self from poverty and move up in class (that's a whole other topic though).  
     
  Thank you for your reply!

GaGambler521 reads

I hope you realize that black people don't have a monopoly on suffering in this world.

and it is rather immature to start a PM conversation and then when you don't get the reaction you would like to "take your marbles and go home" but it's not surprising. As I said in my last PM to you, perhaps with a little life experience your views will change. Every teenager thinks he/she is smarter than her elders. lol

and just for the record, remember YOU reached out to me, and not vice versa.

Toodles lmao

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