I appreciate you standing up on this topic. We may seldom agree, as you said, but I think it speaks volumes when long standing board personalities chime in on this issue, either one side or the other.
ThanksCity pages did an article on Prostitution siting a local girl. Was an interesting read if nothing else. Seems they are trying to shed positive light on the hobby.
What do you guys think?
But it looks similar to a number of articles I have read recently that are trying to give a more balanced look at the P4P world instead of the propaganda the legal system and the moral crusaders are always spewing.
Enough to take a very good educated guess on who this is.
I found myself thinking about her a lot today....she's always intrigued me. Knowing more of her story really increases my desire.
And the possibility of getting busted
that MN laws lump independent prostitution and sex trafficking into the same category. The MPD's response is quite chilling. I think our problems in MN are going to get worse before they get better.
But most of the arrests we read about are still from stings set up through well known sites where a lot of providers advertise.
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may not happen today or tomorrow...
If they devote enough resources, they can get to any of us.
They already have. You haven't felt the tremor yet but it's going to be coming soon.
of Providers just as there is for most things. Some kinda like sex w/strangers, some really don't like it w/strangers and they tolerate it, and a small percentage really REALLY love sex whether w/strangers or others. MN has several of the latter. They enjoy our sessions maybe even more than me, which is sayin a lot. (Or, MN has the best "actresses" anywhere. LOL)
I can generally tell within several minutes of meeting a Provider for the first time where she is on the Bell Curve.
I think the subject of that story and her boyfriend should be ostracized by everyone in this "community".
That, coupled with a few other recent events I've heard involving her, are going to cost a lot of people a lot of heartache in days coming. Do you get my drift? I can't decide which is more ridiculous - going to the press in the first place or the bullshit she conned that reporter into believing about her and her man. A lot of us know better.
Unfortunately folks, I think she, him, and her big scheduling cohorts just sunk the hobby locally and if any of you have any sense of self preservation you would either delete and get rid of everything related to your current hobby identity now or at the very least tread very carefully and be willing to walk away
Based on your comments I read the article thinking they were giving away state secrets. Instead it was a big nothingburger. No names, not identities, no nothing. Just general talk.
That, coupled with a few other recent events I've heard involving her, are going to cost a lot of people a lot of heartache in days coming. Do you get my drift? I can't decide which is more ridiculous - going to the press in the first place or the bullshit she conned that reporter into believing about her and her man. A lot of us know better.
Unfortunately folks, I think she, him, and her big scheduling cohorts just sunk the hobby locally and if any of you have any sense of self preservation you would either delete and get rid of everything related to your current hobby identity now or at the very least tread very carefully and be willing to walk away.
You get paid or laid to post that drivel?
Rather easy to figure out who "Jess" is...
What I don't understand is why go into detail of all the hobby details with a reporter?
My first and foremost rule of my hobby life is absolutely never speak of anything to anyone in my real life world. Best off not being noticed by anyone or anything... Discretion should be paramount!!
Hmmm... not sure what to make of it! Shit getting real... literally.... perhaps its time for a break from the hobby....
have only seen her once but she has seen pretty all the usuals and they all love her. Took me awhile but from things she told me and friends told me yah if you have seen her you know who it is
You should know I would agree with Mr. Lover of Feet, excellent and timely post.
I spoke at length with a few friends today, all hobby related, regarding that CP article. I posed this singular question to them all..."What would happen if I would have contacted a reporter and told that person everything I know about the industry?". They all agreed with my initial thought, which is I would be blacklisted, threatened, and shunned like an Amish slut. You know what, Jess? I think that reporter deserves the full story once you sink this ship. Altruistic super provider you truly are not, am I right those that know?
It's going to be MN Nice Guys and a certain Tiger madame of old all over again, but multiplied by 1000 fold or more. The old heads and the search savvy know what I mean.
It's not just the CP article but what is circulating around in the legitimate grapevine about Jess --the snitch and possibly soon to be singing canary -- and her lady boy two letter name screening cartel that has suddenly "retired". Put to pasture I hope but guess what...ya screwed us all real good ya greedy bastards.
You screwed us all Jess and chums. You have for years and a few of us tried to get the um...word out earlier that where you were going and what you were doing were going to hurt locals, not help. We were ignored but knew this day was coming.
Vorlon types and the like just like to make everything seem fine. Charlie Browns. Idiots, aliases, the flock that adores McFastfood scheduling has fed that beast for years. Thanks to lady boy, first and foremost, and subsequently our new MN LAND OF 10,000 LAKES own "Jess" Superstar we all get to feel the repercussions. Again, BRAVO! Hey, Jess I've been through hard times too, the type you had described in your mini-bio there on CP...just wait until your home, bank savings, and the like have been stripped from you too. I have the feeling it's coming and it's probably karma resetting itself if the universe is actually just.
If any of you don't realize now that the attention seeking dumb ass, her dumb ass boyfriend, her dumb ass friends, her dumb ass business associates, the like of them all have gotten every damn pig and local investigative journalist reading every word on TER you are a fool
I knew an Amish slut long ago and there was no shame😁
Otherwise, spot on in what you wrote.
Laying low, taking early retirement, using MY hands on experience...
I spoke at length with a few friends today, all hobby related, regarding that CP article. I posed this singular question to them all..."What would happen if I would have contacted a reporter and told that person everything I know about the industry?". They all agreed with my initial thought, which is I would be blacklisted, threatened, and shunned like an Amish slut. You know what, Jess? I think that reporter deserves the full story once you sink this ship. Altruistic super provider you truly are not, am I right those that know?
It's going to be MN Nice Guys and a certain Tiger madame of old all over again, but multiplied by 1000 fold or more. The old heads and the search savvy know what I mean.
It's not just the CP article but what is circulating around in the legitimate grapevine about Jess --the snitch and possibly soon to be singing canary -- and her lady boy two letter name screening cartel that has suddenly "retired". Put to pasture I hope but guess what...ya screwed us all real good ya greedy bastards.
You screwed us all Jess and chums. You have for years and a few of us tried to get the um...word out earlier that where you were going and what you were doing were going to hurt locals, not help. We were ignored but knew this day was coming.
Vorlon types and the like just like to make everything seem fine. Charlie Browns. Idiots, aliases, the flock that adores McFastfood scheduling has fed that beast for years. Thanks to lady boy, first and foremost, and subsequently our new MN LAND OF 10,000 LAKES own "Jess" Superstar we all get to feel the repercussions. Again, BRAVO! Hey, Jess I've been through hard times too, the type you had described in your mini-bio there on CP...just wait until your home, bank savings, and the like have been stripped from you too. I have the feeling it's coming and it's probably karma resetting itself if the universe is actually just.
If any of you don't realize now that the attention seeking dumb ass, her dumb ass boyfriend, her dumb ass friends, her dumb ass business associates, the like of them all have gotten every damn pig and local investigative journalist reading every word on TER you are a fool.
There is nothing new in that article. LE didn't learn anything from it. They have been well aware of TER for many years. The worst thing that article did was make the point that there are providers who are not being trafficked or pimped or forced to do anything they don't freely choose to do. It's the truth and getting it out is not such a bad thing. It has been said before and will be said again, hopefully as often as needed to get the message across.
To suggest the article is an event anything like the Minnesota Nice Guys fiasco is just silly. Calling Tiger a Madame further establishes your ignorance. Calling Jess a "snitch" and "singing canary" shows you've been watching too much Trumpinalia. Big lies spoken loudly with no foundation. Your "legitimate grapevine" is nothing but your malicious imagination.
The only person put at risk by the article is Jess and she is at risk of being charged with - wait for it - a misdemeanor. There is nothing in the article that implicates her for anything more serious than that. No pimping. No promoting. No bringing women into the state across state lines. And for God's sake, no trafficking. The reason nothing implicates her in more serious crimes is simple, she isn't involved in them.
The sky is not falling, chicken little. You've gotten the attention you crave, now crawl back into your hole.
There's a lot more in my posts than just referencing the article, my man. Your response just shows you have no idea and therefore can't read between the lines.
Yep, you got it right though, I do have malice in my heart for "Jess". You'll see other headlines someday, you'll see. Go reread my posts a couple of times and get edumacated
Disagree with Wong all you like friends ,but do you really think that all she knows and revealed is in that article. Wake up. Wongs has valid points .
when reading Wong's rant. But there was also some Nostradamus in there too, as most of the rant was directed at Jess for doing something that's going to "sink our ship" and all the pain and suffering she will have caused us all when it happens. Like minn4evr, I believe that only a pre-interview Jess hater would think the CP piece will cause the end of our world.
My bad, Wong also praises himself for having warned us all about Jess in the past -- so now that she's done something that's going to sink our ship, that's proof of Wong's wisdom. But it all depends on the accuracy of Wong's crystal ball -- my bet is that Wong's malice toward Jess has caused him to misread the future.
I also say that Wong's rant starts with a bogus question to his hobby buds -- for one thing, Jess did not tell the reporter everything she knew about the hobby. Wong, here's a better/fairer question to ask your hobby buds: If I was the subject of an interview published in CP, that contained the equivalent info about the hobby that Jess did, only from the client side, would I be blacklisted, threatened, shunned, etc.? My answer would be: The only people who would scream "blacklist" would be pre-interview Wong haters.
Lighten up dude and stop being such a doom and gloomer.
But he is right this time. There is much going on, far beyond anything said in an article, that could have far reaching consequences.
I appreciate you standing up on this topic. We may seldom agree, as you said, but I think it speaks volumes when long standing board personalities chime in on this issue, either one side or the other.
Thanks
MHO it's all about how much the powers that be -have evolved as to wether or not this stuff goes the way Wong predicts..
IMHO -Society has been evolving...I notice things like famous people such as Margret Cho & Amber Rose speaking openly of their past sex work & open support of sex workers more talked about & accepted. I feel consenting adult's actions - should be decriminalized.
I'm clueless about all the extra people "involved" as I've never really been in the know (using quotes since it seems like opinions right now.)
Thinking of Jess, all I can say is -surely her plan wasn't to shame or tattle on anyone, optimistic people R just that -optimists, sometimes we think everyone thinks just like us.
Talk is cheap & anyone can say anything 2make you feel warm & cozy, or fearful & mistrusting, just trust ur instincts.
My instincts have lead to tight emotions & boundaries.
My personal conclusion of the article is- while privacy was kept, self identifying details of Jess & her clients activities are plentiful & possibly not what her clients wanted to read about.
Thanx 2 anyone curious enuff 2 read wut I think. Have an awesome day ;
What M. Cho and A. Rose have to say about this hobby and they certainly aren't effecting any change in the laws. Just IMHO my 2 cents...
IMHO -Society has been evolving...I notice things like famous people such as Margret Cho & Amber Rose speaking openly of their past sex work & open support of sex workers more talked about & accepted. I feel consenting adult's actions - should be decriminalized.
Yeah, based on his rant I thought she must be naming people. Of course nothing of the sort. Nothing said in the article approaches what you can learn here about the business in a few minutes reading. This place is open to the public after all. It's pretty clear he has a vendetta going for some reason that colors his perceptions. However his delusions don't pertain to our reality.
boy have you been quiet lately. Let's just keep things as they are right? It's better for you but is it better for me?
It is no different than if one of us guys sat down and started talking to a reporter about our experiences in the hobby... I like many guys could go on about what brought me to the hobby, where I have met ladies either being hotels or private incalls etc.. How much I pay each time or the highest and lowest I pay..
In any event if a guy went into detail as much as "Jess" did.. any lady I have seen could prob put the pieces together of who I was. Would ladies be comfortable with that? Having ties to a article be made public? I Highly highly doubt it!! Then after.. I wonder how successful the guy would have at scheduling future dates with a drama attached to him by providers back channeling...
I am truly bothered by all of this and quite disappointed in Jess.. escpecially since one of her stories she was talking about could have been me.. or someone else
Again I say Discretion in Hobby should be paramount when talking to the outside world..
The Rules of Fight Club:
1. You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB
2. You DO NOT talk about fight club...
and on and on. You know what they say about snitches
Unless they're providers, then they have to receive a "donation" first. True? It is, right. Is it not.
1. You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB
2. You DO NOT talk about fight club...
and on and on. You know what they say about snitches
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