If she brings up either sexual practices or money in emails or on the phone, hang up and don't contact any longer.
That is how stings are set up.
at follows is what I do to avoid LE. These are just my rules, quirks, & prejudices. I hope it helps.
1. Screening Service = Yes: don't see anyone who's not on your screening service.
2. TER = Yes; a great source of info. Read your local boards & stay informed.
3. Her Incall = No. You always get the room. You always control the space. Does this mean that you'll miss some fantastic touring providers? Yes.
4. Backpage = No. There are experienced guys on TER who use it. But where I live, Backpage = Sting Central.
5. ATF = Yes. The fewer people you see, the lower your risk.
6. Sugar = Yes. The good news: it's legal & SBs are smoking hot. The bad news: it's expensive & SBs are often selective. So you typically don't get laid immediately. If getting busted will ruin you, then this is your only option.
7. Trust your instincts. Whenever a guy posts about getting busted, he usually mentions that something didn't feel right about the play. When my trick knee twitches, I walk away.
8. STFU. If someone starts asking questions, you don't have answers.
9. A provider with a "driver" or "assistant" = No. If she brings in a third party, cancel immediately.
for over 10 years, just using #s 2, 4, 7 & 9 and have never had a problem. Engaging #3 in particular would have, as you note, eliminated some of the best experiences ever! Still, good advice, especially to anyone new to the game.
If she brings up either sexual practices or money in emails or on the phone, hang up and don't contact any longer.
That is how stings are set up.
That is how stings are set up.
Question: if she replies with a email saying 'I give xyz for x dollar amount, when did you want to book?' and I replied saying, I want to book on Saturday 12pm etc..(I should've not done that) and that's where it ended. She never replied. (Remains a mystery)
can I get in trouble for that,? can they come after me just for replying to such an email ?
I would appreciate if someone could help me with this. Tia
Someone once wrote on this board that solicitation of prostitution is like drunk driving--they have to catch you in the act. If right now you admitted to a cop that you're going to drive drunk on Saturday night, he can't arrest you for a thought crime. Prosecuting someone for sending an e-mail about a prospective P4P hookup that might happen on Saturday is again, a thought crime. Any vice cop who'd pursue this...well, the judge would be looking sideways at the cop, not you. --z
3. I almost never get the room and I've never had an LE problem.
4. Backpage, agreed, but since I never go there I have no idea if she advertises there. And in some places, Backpage is the only game in town.
6. Sugar. No idea. Never done it. Don't want that much of an ongoing, frequent relationship.
9. I don't like assistants either but there's no good reason to reject an otherwise good girl because of it. As for drivers, I found out one of my favorites used one after having seen her several times. So my point is, how would you know? I agree the fewer people involved the better. But, again, if everything else is right I would not let this disqualify her.
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She has a tongue stud and gives an amazing BBBJTC.
Sorry, Z, but my little head is making this call, LOL!
Sometimes outcalls make us nervous and we use a driver for our own safety. You could kill and bury me and no one would know for a LONG time if NO ONE knows where I'm at. Just saying.... in my opinion this in particular is a 2-way street. ATF or not, regardless of how often you've seen me, SOMEONE is going to get the address of where I'm going, or drive me there and pick me up to make sure all goes well. Plus with a driver, if things get crazy, you can contact him ASAP to help.
Outcalls terrify me, so I usually don't do them. I like to be in my own comfort zone..
Also, some girls CAN'T drive themselves, they might not have their license, a car, etc. If I'm visiting a place I obviously won't have a car and wouldn't use it enough to justify a rental.
Um... no, I don't EVER go on an outcall unless I have seen you before....
...and chances are in that case I'd feel safe enough to take a cab.
Sorry you completely misunderstood my explanation. Thought it was sufficient.
Not that they'd have a chance to to intervene if she encountered a true psycho, but some ladies take comfort in having someone know her whereabouts and to come looking if she's not out on schedule.
It does NOT mean that! Crazy is in every spectrum of socio-economic status!! It could all be smoke and mirrors.. on either side!
Look, if we could have guys honestly check yes or no on their screening form about this, we would. But, I can assure you that every single girl here has had trouble with one looney or another, and the huge majority of that trouble comes from people they've met. Screening isn't as magical as you seem to think it is, especially in the manner that you insist is the best (verification site, references) and crazy can still get through. That's why we are always on guard. I promise you, there are reasons why we do things.
And, as for all your "swinging dick" references, I often have a girlfriend drive me if I'm in another city. It's a safety/ease/comfort thing. I think we all know that some drivers are actually pimps, but I am frankly a little taken aback at the way you so flagrantly call my friends tools. Yeah, some of them are gay guys who might even swing your way if you're cute, but I would venture to say you would actually like most of them. I mean, they are making sure I get there. You could be a little more grateful ;-p
I agree with 1, 2, 8 and 9. However I have been hobbying for 7 years or so and I don't get rooms, if she doesn't do incalls then I'm not inclined to see her unless she is once in a lifetime hot or I am traveling somewhere and staying overnight. I think BP gets a bad wrap, yeah there are a lot of bait and switchers on there but there are also a lot of gems that are just starting out. The key is you have to research and use common sense. If it seems to good to be true i.e. super hot photos and doing hh for $80 then yeah, don't trust it. But like I've said, I have stumbled upon some true gems that are just starting out and had a wonderful time. Also some mid-level porn girls use BP. Number 7 is tricky because I think what mostly attracts men to the hobby is the thrill of the chase, anticipating what is in store etc.
What follows is what I do to avoid LE. These are just my rules, quirks, & prejudices. I hope it helps.
1. Screening Service = Yes: don't see anyone who's not on your screening service.
2. TER = Yes; a great source of info. Read your local boards & stay informed.
3. Her Incall = No. You always get the room. You always control the space. Does this mean that you'll miss some fantastic touring providers? Yes.
4. Backpage = No. There are experienced guys on TER who use it. But where I live, Backpage = Sting Central.
5. ATF = Yes. The fewer people you see, the lower your risk.
6. Sugar = Yes. The good news: it's legal & SBs are smoking hot. The bad news: it's expensive & SBs are often selective. So you typically don't get laid immediately. If getting busted will ruin you, then this is your only option.
7. Trust your instincts. Whenever a guy posts about getting busted, he usually mentions that something didn't feel right about the play. When my trick knee twitches, I walk away.
8. STFU. If someone starts asking questions, you don't have answers.
9. A provider with a "driver" or "assistant" = No. If she brings in a third party, cancel immediately.