Just to clarify, nuru is not a massage type for which an occupational licence, certificate, or permit is required. So someone offering nuru is not subject to having state permission to do it, even it it's globally recognized as being a form of massage.
Example: if you get a pedicure they'll also give you a foot massage, but they likely don't have a license to engage in massage. That doesn't necessarily mean it's illegal, but instead would depend on how the laws are written in that area.
What is legality of paying for a nuru massage. Explicitly stated in an ad, "I will provide nuru massage plus for x dollars per hour,...... this is not full service."
Appears to me you have incriminated yourself by agreeing to these terms in advance?
Thank you,
Nuru is not a certified type of massage (far as I'm aware) in the US so it's doubtful anyone could claim the provider is massaging without a licence, assuming that's the case.
Nuru is not required to be done with either or both participants nude. As the ad states, you only are purchasing a nuru massage of a certain length of time, and nothing else.
If the two of you decide to do other things on your own, that's your combined call behind closed doors. Ain't nobody in that room but two consenting adults making informed decisions about one another.
However, meeting someone in a hotel room to whom you are not married may be a crime (it is in NC where I'm from). Does this stop me from meeting business colleagues in their rooms? No. Or meeting friends? No. It's a dumbass law but still on the books - just like not being allowed to walk a donkey down the street on a Sunday. And no, I'm not a lawyer so this is just my take on it.
Nuru is not required to be done with either or both participants nude. As the ad states, you only are purchasing a nuru massage of a certain length of time, and nothing else.
If the two of you decide to do other things on your own, that's your combined call behind closed doors. Ain't nobody in that room but two consenting adults making informed decisions about one another.
However, meeting someone in a hotel room to whom you are not married may be a crime (it is in NC where I'm from). Does this stop me from meeting business colleagues in their rooms? No. Or meeting friends? No. It's a dumbass law but still on the books - just like not being allowed to walk a donkey down the street on a Sunday. And no, I'm not a lawyer so this is just my take on it.
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Just to clarify, nuru is not a massage type for which an occupational licence, certificate, or permit is required. So someone offering nuru is not subject to having state permission to do it, even it it's globally recognized as being a form of massage.
Example: if you get a pedicure they'll also give you a foot massage, but they likely don't have a license to engage in massage. That doesn't necessarily mean it's illegal, but instead would depend on how the laws are written in that area.
For the physical contact between parties to be illegal sexual contact then it first must be sexual contact. Just having someone touch your clothed or naked body does not make it sexual contact - even if you have an orgasm from someone rubbing your feet like above might not be defined as sexual. Or maybe it is - check your local statues.
The original ad you mentioned was for a certain amount of time to be spent receiving a nuru massage, and nothing else. If you choose to view nuru massage as sexual then that's your own perception; if the two of you hit if off and decide to do something other than nuru massage (see a movie, have sex, paint pictures, etc) then it's separate from the nuru massage. The advertiser still has time commitments the same as you, so if you do expand activities then don't be surprised if the clock continues to tick along.
If you want to have some real fun thinking about this, how would the law define it if you received the same nuru from a male? Flipping situations around is a great way to reveal bias and discrimination, either in yourself or others or the law.
One last observation: you mentioned "nuru is not something you can legally buy." I dare you to try and buy a back massage from a licensed masseuse. You can't. However, you CAN mutually agree upon a rate for someone's time to be spent massaging your back. I know the wording may sound the same, but they have very distinct definitions. And nuances are important.
For the physical contact between parties to be illegal sexual contact then it first must be sexual contact.
I think that is the key. What is deemed "illegal sexual contact?" Is paying for someone to rub their naked body against yours illegal sexual contact???
So silly, I have met women at bars and had them rub their bikini clothed body against mine..... on the dance floor!! But as soon as we agree to a price for almost the same thing in private.............. I'm on a forum wondering???
Go look at your local statues for those definitions. Here in NC it's okay for someone to touch your body so long as it's not for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification. Now that makes me wonder about the folks who're turned on & can orgasm just from a foot massage at a day spa - surely that would meet the definition but what prosecutor on earth would try to bring such a case?
Think back to when you were in high school and some girl happened to brush against your thigh, perhaps during a dance. If you somehow compensated her (movie ticket, dinner at a pizza place, etc) for going to the dance with you then it's prostitution. If she's under 18 then you're a sex offender. If she's over 18 but you're under then you're the victim and she can be charged.
Have you ever rubbed suntan lotion on a girl at the beach and popped wood? That's a sexual act. Throw in some compensation (ride to the beach) and now it's prostitution. Just for fun, if she's over 18 and flashes you for the purpose of sexual arousal (teasing) then she's committed sexual assault. Gotta love them laws!
Logic? Fuck that. Just go with what, as one NC state representative said, "our Christian heritage" instead of what's logical. Instead, it's within their claimed right to legislate their version of morality upon others. If you challenge their view with a more austere moral code then you're a religious extremist; if you challenge with a more liberal code then you're a deviant hedonist.
Assuming you're in PA here's a link to the general statues:
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=18
And no, I'm still not a lawyer. Just an informed citizen who prefers to know what laws are being applied and why - plus how to change them!
and propsed at the state level... defining body rubs & background checks on all practioners (at MPs).
The use of the word "massage" even with the undefined NURU makes me think would require a LMT.
This appears to me like the "Disclaimer" in many ads... it fools no one. Any legal protection (some jurisdicions do consider ads as soliciation for prostution otherwise) evaporates when a face to face agreement or actual act takes place. If any sexual body part is contacted on either party, it's still prostitution under every law I've seen.
There's no way to make an illegal act legal by writing something (other than a marriage license). Such statements are silly... and dangerous if the parties do not observe caution.