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OK, time to stop playing with Dumb Asian and finish off his false argument...
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Jesus was actually quoting Psalms 22. It starts exactly that way but delivers the message that even in our darkest hour, God delivers us.  

Don't feel bad, you are not the first buffoon to try to use this argument, you will not be the last.

Check and Mate.  

Psalm 22

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer;
and by night, but find no rest.
3 Yet you are holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel.
4 In you our ancestors trusted; they trusted, and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried, and were saved; in you they trusted, and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm, and not human; scorned by others, and despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock at me; they make mouths at me, they shake their heads;
8 “Commit your cause to the Lord; let him deliver—let him rescue the one in whom he delights!”
9 Yet it was you who took me from the womb; you kept me safe from my mother’s breast.
10 On you I was cast from my birth, and since my mother bore me you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls encircle me, strong bulls of Bã’shan surround me;
13 they open wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax; it is melted within my breast;
15 my mouth is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to my jaws; you lay me in the dust of death.
16 For dogs are all around me; a company of evildoers encircles me. My hands and feet have shriveled;
17 I can count all my bones. They stare and gloat over me;
18 they divide my clothes among themselves, and for my clothing they cast lots.
19 But you, O Lord, do not be far away! O my help, come quickly to my aid!
20 Deliver my soul from the sword, my life from the power of the dog!
21 Save me from the mouth of the lion!
From the horns of the wild oxen, you have rescued me.
22 I will tell of your name to my brothers and sisters; in the midst of the congregation I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him! All you offspring of Jacob, glorify him; stand in awe of him, all you offspring of Israel!
24 For he did not despise or abhor the affliction of the afflicted; he did not hide his face from me, but heard when I cried to him.
25 From you comes my praise in the great congregation; my vows I will pay before those who fear him.
26 The poor shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the Lord. May your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him.
28 For dominion belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.
29 To him, indeed, shall all who sleep in the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and I shall live for him.
30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord,
31 and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, saying that he has done it.

"ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?"  It means "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"   Matthew 27:46

Can you take a wild guess who said this?   Just who would say something like this? The people dying in some traggic accident? Gamblers at a casino who lost their bet? Those who lost their life savings from con artists in a ponzi scheme?

"ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" : It reflects doubt. It reflects abandonment. It reflects emotions. Take the most wildest guess possible.  Do you give up?  

Well, this is what the bible claims Jesus Christ has said right before he croaked.  Now, ask yourself why would a man who is supposedly god almighty, a perfect being, say something like this if he really was god himself?  The all too complicated Christian excuse is that Jesus is the son of god and that he was talking to god the father  
Riiiiight, the famous "Schizophrenic Trinity" with a multiple personality disorder.  Talk to yourself much?
When was the last time you talked to yourself?  I haven't. Do you? Unless you're a bit "special", you probably wouldn't either.  

Christianity 0: Logical Reasoning : 1

Christians also believe that this is how he paid for all our sins by punishing him on the cross.  LMAO

Christianity 0: Laughable Bullshit Story : 2

The simpler explanation is that Jesus, if he did ever exist, was just an ordinary delusional carpenter with a very chronic god complex.  

But if he did exist, as yourself where's the body?   We can find Mummies of Egyptian kings who were much less important than Jesus still fully intact in their tombs.  

Christianity 0: Lack of Evidence : 3

Another thing you want to ask yourself is, would a perfect being who lived a perfect life ever express tendencies of insecurity, emotions, doubt, anger, fear, and abandonment?  

Christianity 0: Logical Reasoning : 4

"My God My God Why Have You Forsaken Me!"  

Christianity 0: Common Sense from that line above alone : 5

Matthew 27:46
"45 Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour.  
46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"  

Christianity 0: Evidence from the information from the biblical source itself:

"Appostles were in one Accord"  - Acts 5:12
"For I did not speak of my own Accord" - John 14:49

I knew that.  

He didn't talk about it much though cuz he didn't want to piss off the jews for buying a rice burner.

Jesus started global warming.

Posted By: Drunken Asian
"Appostles were in one Accord"  - Acts 5:12  
 "For I did not speak of my own Accord" - John 14:49

Pimpathy1449 reads

Was that Latin you were quoting?... I thought it was Hebrew.

 
Eli.. Eli.. where art thou my Eli?... There he is.

btw,  you won't find me talking about Hebrew or fairness anywhere in this thread.   :D

Pimpathy1313 reads

Your name is Frank.

GaGambler1445 reads

Is it "fair" that the strong survive while the weak in most every species perish? Of course not, but that's the way either "God" or "Nature/Science" made things, Science says "deal with it" while religion tries to pretend the world doesn't actually work that way despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Probably blame the weak for being weak.    
Maybe he is quietly a religious overly zealous follower of Darwinism. lo

I look at Religion, Homosexuality,and driving in similar ways .   Just because Homosexuality is  not for me, doesn't make me wonder why some men prefer other men , some drivers prefer a scenic route versus the fastest roads  to their destination , or some people enjoy Religion and others don't participate .
  If I spent my days and nights  wondering  about things that don't affect me or  why people are not the same like cloned sheep  ,  I wouldn't have ample  time to have so much fun   .   :-D
 That's my idea of Logical Reasoning, Enjoy your own obsessed interpretations and  energy,  
any way you wish .

Do you think this is a new discovery on your part.  This has been part of the Christian doctrine for 2,000 years.    

I'm not Christian, but a lapsed Jew, and I knew this.

To explain:  

For devout Christians of any sect it is okay to have doubts.  Years ago the News Media was abuzz because Mother Theressa's diary relfected doubt. The lay press thought this was a sign of weakness.  The religious media yawned.  

Yes, for believers, even Jesus had doubts because he had a human side.  The church never demands perfection because the Son of God (in their view) was not perfect.

People are expected to not only believe but question.  The name Isreal means "to fight with God."  

Now here is my challenge:  Do you have any doubts about the non-existence of God or god.  Are you 100% sure of what can't be proven either way, but is based on belief?

I would guess that most devout religous people are allowed to question more and have doubts than most athiests.  If you go to a religious gathering and ask who at times has doubts and questions almost all will raise the hands without shame.  If you do that at an athiest convention how many will have doubts.
-(I speak only of the Jewish and Christian faiths, because i don't know enough about the others.)

Problem with you is that you keep assuming Jesus is God when you speak of God.   creator may exist,  may not.  The god I think that might exist is NOT christ the Savior.  

I gave you proof that Jesus was a normal human if he existed.  Just a delusional carpenter with a god complex who liked hanging out with prostitutes.  

Muslims and jews don't believe in christ the Savior.  Just what the fuck did he save exactly?  I save files on my hard drive too,  so I'm DA the Savior. I save money,  so I'm DA the Savior.  

Jesus cries to his god and asks why have you forsaken me???  
All knowing all powerful yet he just doesn't know the answer to his own grand plan that he created himself yet asks himself this question.  Jesus is a hoax.  

I choose to believe in science.  it is my savor.  
it is the truth the light and the way!!!!!!

I am not Chistian.  My parents were Jewish, my grandfather was a rabbi.  I don't practice anything, although I used to be an anthropology major and enjoyed studying that aspect of culture.

But to call me a Christian is wrong.  (Full disclosre: When I travel I go to churches for art and architecture.)

But you avoided the point - namely that doubt is not inconsistent with the two religions.  That was your big discovery.

-More importantly, you avoided the question of doubt on your part.

Also, your ignorance of chistianity is astounding.  No christian theologian thinks Jesus created the plan for himself.  Only someone with no knowledge would asssume that.  But you make up a part of christianity.

Anyway, do you have doubt?  

If you believe in science, do you realize that the "truth" is always changing.  Choleterol was bad. now it is good. Some is still bad, but that shifts.  The UN panel on Climate Change just modified its forecasts.  The old science was off, the new science is the  truth, for now.  When I was 17 years old (in the early 70's) science said the earth was cooling and we were about to enter a new Ice Age.  

Ooopsie Daisy.  Science, the Way and the Truth, was wrong.

In the 60's Science also said we would run out of oil in 40 years.  Fifty years later and we only have another 60 left of proven reserves.  

(PS I like science.  It saved my life at least twice through medicine.  I am not denying the value of it.)

 

I assume you are an athiest because of constant posts about religion being wrong.

 

Posted By: Drunken Asian
Problem with you is that you keep assuming Jesus is God when you speak of God.   creator may exist,  may not.  The god I think that might exist is NOT christ the Savior.    
   
 I gave you proof that Jesus was a normal human if he existed.  Just a delusional carpenter with a god complex who liked hanging out with prostitutes.    
   
 Muslims and jews don't believe in christ the Savior.  Just what the fuck did he save exactly?  I save files on my hard drive too,  so I'm DA the Savior. I save money,  so I'm DA the Savior.  
   
 Jesus cries to his god and asks why have you forsaken me???  
 All knowing all powerful yet he just doesn't know the answer to his own grand plan that he created himself yet asks himself this question.  Jesus is a hoax.  
   
 I choose to believe in science.  it is my savor.    
 it is the truth the light and the way!!!!!!!  
 

There are differences between discovered / verified laws versus pending/unproven theories.  

There are also differences variables and constants.  There's also a difference between static, quasi-static, versus dynamic.  It's a matter of time scale.  

Science sent up rockets into space because we now how planets move, how chemicals react, it's all predictable because we got it down to a science. Some of the variables of course change but the underlying laws are understood very well.  

A cholesterol level changing is not the same thing as fundamental laws suddenly changing, dumbtard.  All the laws hold true within in their applicable domains, they do not change. There are different laws for each domain, that's what science discovers.  

The lame cholesterol example from you alone tells me that you are desperate to come up with excuses because you don't have any other proof. But your excuses seriously lack substance.  You are incapable of proving that Jesus was in fact the sun of god. I have provided a pretty obvious proof of what he actually said. Any idiot with half a brain would be able to tell this carpenter from nazarith was not in any way shape or form some supreme being capable of performing miracles. Just because you choose to blindly believe a bull shit story doesn't mean the rest of us should stay quiet and put up with the spread of the bull shit story

There has never been a scientific constant or law as you put it that's changed? In the last 60 yrs? I know of one I believe for sure. The bending of light around a large object in space.... Einstein was ridiculed for it for almost twenty years before he proved it if I remember right.  
     How about the splitting of atoms or the finding of particles smaller then electrons... Both of which were thought impossible early in the 20th century.  
   

Posted By: Drunken Asian
There are differences between discovered / verified laws versus pending/unproven theories.    
   
 There are also differences variables and constants.  There's also a difference between static, quasi-static, versus dynamic.  It's a matter of time scale.  
   
 Science sent up rockets into space because we now how planets move, how chemicals react, it's all predictable because we got it down to a science. Some of the variables of course change but the underlying laws are understood very well.  
   
 A cholesterol level changing is not the same thing as fundamental laws suddenly changing, dumbtard.  All the laws hold true within in their applicable domains, they do not change. There are different laws for each domain, that's what science discovers.  
   
 The lame cholesterol example from you alone tells me that you are desperate to come up with excuses because you don't have any other proof. But your excuses seriously lack substance.  You are incapable of proving that Jesus was in fact the sun of god. I have provided a pretty obvious proof of what he actually said. Any idiot with half a brain would be able to tell this carpenter from nazarith was not in any way shape or form some supreme being capable of performing miracles. Just because you choose to blindly believe a bull shit story doesn't mean the rest of us should stay quiet and put up with the spread of the bull shit story.  
 

Science evolves to find the truth asymtotically, every second we get closer to the truth.  

On the other hand, religion has the conceit and audacity to claim they somehow already know the secrets of the universe without a shred of evidence. Religion has a bad habit of outrageously, religiously, and unnecessarily holding on to outdated boring and inapplicable crap from 600 years ago. It took the dumb ass catholic church over 300 years to admit that heliocentric theory was correct and that they were wrong about the geocentric theory (they tried to kill galileo for saying that earth was not the divine center of the universe).  

If the world was left to religious leaders, we'd be living a fucking stone age worshipping sun gods under monolith pillars of the stone henge.  

And when I speak of constants, I'm referring to constants like speed of light in vaccum.  
planks constant
avogadro's number
the number of protons in oxygen or lackthereof in hydrogen
gravitational constant
atomic mass of a certain element.

 
these are fundamental constants. they never change.  speed of light does change somewhat in different mediums but the speed in vaccum is constant.  

the constants have been IMPROVING with greater and greater accuracy but still a constant  
it's like saying PI is 3.14
then you discover that there's another significant figure, 3.141
and then you improve on that 3.1415
and then some more, 3.14159

light can bend since it has moving mass but no rest mass.  

You're applying two different laws to to the wrong domain. Einstein discovery does not REPLACE existing physical laws. Newtons laws that newton knew all his life are still valid within the domain of classical physics. Einstein IMPROVES on them so that we can figure out and predict characteristics of motion and its properties at larger / faster domain where speeds approach speed of light.  since it's been newly discovered that light DOES have MOVING mass, he predicted that it will be affected by gravity

GaGambler1566 reads

As annoying as DA is on this subject, he has gone on the record many times specifically denying being an atheist who denies any chance of their being some kind of "higher power".

Rejecting the fairy tales promulgated by Christians is not the same as being an atheist. Personally I think the whole premise of Christianity, Jesus dying on the Cross and being resurrected, Noah Ark, etc etc is ridiculous beyond the slightest belief, but that is not to say that I deny even the remotest possibility of some kind of God.

For a "Non Christian" you certainly seem to bend yourself into a pretzel in your attempts to defend them. Once again, I call BullShit on your claims to not be a Christian. AT the very least you sound like a man "hedging his bets" which is the ultimate in foolishness IMO. If there is an all knowing, all powerful God, who now only is all knowing and all powerful, but who insists on humans worshipping him/her/it, do you think riding on the fence, playing both sides is really going to get you into heaven??? rofl

Pimpathy1279 reads

The best counter Christianity argument I ever heard was Islam.

Posted By: GaGambler
As annoying as DA is on this subject, he has gone on the record many times specifically denying being an atheist who denies any chance of their being some kind of "higher power".

Rejecting the fairy tales promulgated by Christians is not the same as being an atheist. Personally I think the whole premise of Christianity, Jesus dying on the Cross and being resurrected, Noah Ark, etc etc is ridiculous beyond the slightest belief, but that is not to say that I deny even the remotest possibility of some kind of God.

For a "Non Christian" you certainly seem to bend yourself into a pretzel in your attempts to defend them. Once again, I call BullShit on your claims to not be a Christian. AT the very least you sound like a man "hedging his bets" which is the ultimate in foolishness IMO. If there is an all knowing, all powerful God, who now only is all knowing and all powerful, but who insists on humans worshipping him/her/it, do you think riding on the fence, playing both sides is really going to get you into heaven??? rofl

Islam goes by the old testament and believes Jesus was a normal prohpet.  they don't worship Jesus as God.  

but then they kiss Mohammed ass so it's the same difference.  

bowing to mecca several times a day?  really?  nut jobs

Pimpathy1320 reads

Posted By: Pimpathy
The best counter Christianity argument I ever heard was Islam.  
   
 
I find it funny that you don't follow a single Religion, yet you actually want the religious to be overzealous in their belief.
Posted By: Drunken Asian
Islam goes by the old testament and believes Jesus was a normal prohpet.  they don't worship Jesus as God.  
   
 but then they kiss Mohammed ass so it's the same difference.  
   
 bowing to mecca several times a day?  really?  nut jobs.  
   
 

Pimpathy1359 reads

What is the best counter argument to Christianity?

 
Don't forget, Christianity existed before there was Jesus.

before Jesus Christ?  Where do you think Christianity came from?  

Christianity began early first century,  when Jesus reached his 30s.  

There WAS no Christianity before Jesus.  It was Judaism before.  

Thanks for the good laugh though,  I knew I could count on you pulling a sea biscuit for me cuz I thought fungus might be catching up.  Ha ha  Hahahah

GaGambler1221 reads

You baited him by talking to him instead about him.

I bet you I can get Fungus to say something just as stupid if I could stand talking to him for five minutes.

Don't start spending your money just yet, The SPOTY's are a marathon, not a sprint. We are just getting started rofl

I wonder, did Buddhism start before Buddha as well? LMAO

Pimpathy1192 reads

Do you two fucktards share a brain?

GaG you and DA shit your pants on a damn near daily bases about Religion. While at the same time, telling people "hey you aren't Orthodox enough in your belief of, what I don't believe in."

 

Posted By: GaGambler
You baited him by talking to him instead about him.

I bet you I can get Fungus to say something just as stupid if I could stand talking to him for five minutes.  

Don't start spending your money just yet, The SPOTY's are a marathon, not a sprint. We are just getting started rofl

I wonder, did Buddhism start before Buddha as well? LMAO

It's funny though,  engage in just a few conversation with em and we almost always get something incredibly stupid out of them.  LMFAO  

It was pretty damn evident here.  "reemember Christianity  existed before jesus"  and he says it as if he knows what he's talking about when in fact he has absolutely no clue!!.  Ha ha ha ha ha Hahahaha!!!  

PS : Nowhere in this thread were we talking about stupid posts or SPOTY trophies. we weren't talking about religion either, roflmao

Pimpathy1137 reads

Judaism existed before Jesus. Thus proving Christianity existed before the Christ.

 
That is what you said.

Christianity branched off Judaism when Christ started it all.  

Are you going for the most dumbest poster of the year trophy too?  

You're starting to put fungus to shame.  Dayum!   LMAO LMAO

Pimpathy1246 reads

What are you trying to say?

 
...and what bout that Joshua fellow?

 
it is all Judaism, with the exception of Islam.

apparently, you're too dumb to know the difference.  

where do you think Judaism and Islam evolved from?  

I suggest you read some books before engaging in debates about religion,  cuz you're just making a total fool out of yourself.  ;

Pimpathy1174 reads

You hate the Jewish people, and deny their very existence.
 

Posted By: Drunken Asian
before Jesus Christ?  Where do you think Christianity came from?  
   
 Christianity began early first century,  when Jesus reached his 30s.  
   
 There WAS no Christianity before Jesus.  It was Judaism before.  
   
 Thanks for the good laugh though,  I knew I could count on you pulling a sea biscuit for me cuz I thought fungus might be catching up.  Ha ha  Hahahaha  
   
 

no where in this post were we talking about Jewish or Christian people

Some people do .
A  Christian friend of mine was famous  for spreading his interpretations of God . He was very sincere when he attempted  to convince me I should go to Church even though I don't believe , to hedge my bets in case I am wrong .  
 I was sincere when I told him a God powerful enough to create the World could easily see through  
hypocrisy .  
 He hasn't preached to me since that day.
 I have my suspicions  he quit going  to Church but I'm not bringing it up , I'd rather let bygones disappear ,  in case he's become obsessive compulsive like DA ,  in the other direction . :-D
 
 

Posted By: GaGambler
 you sound like a man "hedging his bets" which is the ultimate in foolishness IMO. If there is an all knowing, all powerful God, who now only is all knowing and all powerful, but who insists on humans worshipping him/her/it, do you think riding on the fence, playing both sides is really going to get you into heaven??? rofl

GaGambler1428 reads

BUT he claims to be neutral, yet has spent countless hours here defending Christianity. I don't believe for a moment that he is indeed neutral where it comes to religion in general or Christianity in specific.

For the record, I find all religions equally ridiculous, but only a few have ever directly impacted my life, and those are the only ones with which I take serious issue. I mean honestly, does anyone really hate the wiccans? They have never done a thing to me and while I think they are just as foolish as the Muslims or the Christians, no one is going to send a plane crashing down out of the sky because of a Wiccan belief.

I also had a friend who wanted to "hedge his bet" he converted to Christianity, tithed a full ten percent of his income without fail, had his house blessed, the whole nine yards. I asked him about his motivations for his conversion and he fessed up to me that he didn't 100% believe, but that he was going to try it for a while to see if it brought him better luck in life. He too didn't find it very amusing when I pointed out to him that in essence he was trying to "fool God". We agreed to disagree. lol

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Posted By: GaGambler
I think they are just as foolish as the Muslims or the Christians, no one is going to send a plane crashing down out of the sky because of a Wiccan belief.
...is there a confirmed incident of this ever taking place?

an aircraft being grounded based on religious belief, that is... if so where can I read about it?

Pimpathy1231 reads

Did you find any literature, that confirms there have been US int/national flights grounded, due to either a pilot/crew or passenger's religious beliefs?

You won't find him discussing religion or flights anywhere in this thread. It just wouldn't be fair if he does...

Pimpathy1144 reads

About aircraft being grounded due to the religious belief of someone on board.

I have never herd or read of this taking place... and yes I did Google it.

 

When has this ever been documented ?

Pimpathy1085 reads

What is VF anyway a fair for vain people. I think Disney made a movie about that.

 
I'll tell you what isn't fair. I wrote a review on you and it was not approved.

But Disney is fair because they made a movie.  

Do you think writing a review of someone you haven't seen is fair?  

we aren't talking about reviews anywhere here.

Pimpathy1133 reads

Snow White, and the seven yous.

 

Can you prove I didn't see you?

 
...and if so, who was that Asian guy I bought a Shirley Temple for at the bar?

maybe you went too light on the juicy details.

not that I wanna know

Pimpathy1605 reads

GD  
Have been talking to Drunken Asian for years on the discussion forum. Saw that a unique service was provided, and decided to roll the dice. VIPs the experience is worth every penny.

 
TJD

Filled out Drunken Asian's contact form. After a few hours got a response saying he was available, in my area right now! We made arrangements to meet in the hotel lounge for drinks. I ordered a stein of beer for moi, and a Shirley Temple for the drunk. After several drinks we went up to my room. I had already thrown fortune cookie, fortunes all over the room like rose pedals.
 
Drunken Asian said aw, how romantic. Next to the bible in the night stand, I had hidden a bottle of Everclear for us to enjoy. We spent the entire night drinking, and blowing chunks. What started out as an hour's tryst, ended up being the most homoerotic overnight session I have ever had.

 
Will most certainly repeat.

 

Well, no sex took place, so maybe that was the reason

that's gay!!

are you sure DA didn't try puttin the moves on while you were praying at the porcelein altar?  

he coulda bumrushed ya and maybe you were too drunk to know????

those asians are sneaky, ya know?

ewww, i gotta wash my hands...

Pimpathy1233 reads

and yes he did try a few times. He does not know this, but I slipped him a mickey. Posted an ad, and got triple my money back.  

 
Those DCers really like a Geisha, who is packing a channa argus.

Nice review.  Do I get a 10/10? lol

Pimpathy1613 reads

That's what I thought was fair.

Posted By: Drunken Asian
Nice review.  Do I get a 10/10? lol
 
With all due respect to your kink. You didn't seem happy until you found yourself in bondage.

 
Just admit you need Jesus.

I am ,  not ,  obseslsive " .  only telling the truth .  
  I'm only spreading  ,   the good news ,  that we now should  know better  .  

Normally  ,  I wouldn't spread the good news     but
science is my religion ,   and I worship it .  
   I care about you so ,  
I evangelize to you   .  

you will ascend into tech heaven ,  In full of gorgeous cyborg  girls ,  

Christianity is about as bogus as they cum .  
   how Jesus was asking God why he has forsaken him .  
  People don't see  ,  just how ridiculous this religion really is...  

    Good news of  science must be spread  ,  and multiplied

I don't think I use God and Jesus interchangably, although there is an overlap in the two concepts.  

Yes, all stories in the bible are "fairy tales" in the sense of myths.

Can you find one time when I ever defended their veracity. I have frequently defended people who belive, but never the veracity of the dogma.  

You may have noticed me defending Judiasm.  I can defend both, but I can't believe both, since they can't be reconciled.  Either one is wrong or both are wrong, but both cannot be right.  

But that has never been my concern'

Your challenge. Find one post I ever did where I defended the truth of the dogma

GaGambler1427 reads

If you were ever to defend the dogma itself you would be admitting to be a Christian yourself, and THAT is my point.

You have spent countless hours defending Christians, all the while claiming to NOT be a Christian yourself. You go round and round, twisting yourself into knots defending Christians and Christianity and I believe that your claim to not be a believer is bullshit. We've had this conversation at least a dozen times before, and I don't ever expect you to ever come out and admit it, but your excuses ring hollow to me, I believe you doth protest entirely too much.

I can't be 100% sure of anything. I always have an open mind to new scientific discoveries.  

But, for the life of me, I can't understand why anyone who has a modicum of an understanding of how the universe came into existence, as well as the stars, the galaxies, our own solar system, and our own planet, would ever think that some cloud being did it, when science has already demonstrated that such a Magic Man wasn't even necessary to create the universe in the first place.  

Once you understand how everything came to be via natural processes, then you come to understand that the existence of a deity would be like building a car with a 5th wheel.  

The invention of a deity was always based upon the God of the Gaps...that we used a deity to explain the things we didn't understand. Well, we have advanced enough now, that we understand how everything came to be. What we already know should satisfy any question about this.  

And, of course, there's also the pesky problem that there's isn't any actual evidence for the existence of a deity. I repeat: NONE.  

So why believe in something that you have zero evidence for, just because you're too lazy or too stupid to study what science has already discovered about this subject?

always require you to worship them, do the right thing,  be good,  blah blah.  

looks to me like if there was a creator,  he just wound up the clock work and left billions of years ago.  there's no place for God to intervene in this universe.

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Posted By: willywonka4u
 
   
 Once you understand how everything came to be via natural processes, then you come to understand that the existence of a deity would be like building a car with a 5th wheel.  
 
Proof

at the Donkey Show. The old gal still went though because she has to pay for ye lazy troll ass to lounge around her basement .

you are no match for my wits.  in a battle of intellect and wits,  you constantly resort to nonsense and jibberish...  LMAO  

get a life

you are no match for me, you are too dumb to talk to.  
You're the kind of guy who prolly bombs innocent people while screaming jihad.  delusional brainless creature.

Maybe Fungus is the savior of all dumb posters. Fungus came from outer space or wherever he's from (maybe from the Planet Doofus where people still haven't fully evolved yet), in order to set a world record for stupidity. ROFLMAO

Snowman391331 reads

Oh yeah, idiots who post the bible out of  context and have no idea what religion is all about.

Here is the simple fact, if you are an atheist that is fine, if you are an atheist who feels he must attack others for their religious beliefs, then you are a person who is so unsure of himself he has to lash out at others.

So basically, you are like those guys who pretend to be so macho and feel like they have to beat up gay men, when in truth it is because they are afraid of their own feelings.  

Piece of advice, stop posting and start doing some soul searching...

When this snowman idiot can't say anything other than throwlame personal attacks at someone who's talking about religion on a religion board, (ie: on topic), it shows just how stupid snowman really is.  

This post is one of many proofs that Jesus isn't God.  I presented an argument with supporting evidence. You haven't shown jack or shit. All you've shown is that religious pukes resort to personal attacks when presented with the truth and that these pukes are incapable of a good debate. Pathetic beyond belief, lol  Or is it because deep down you are convinced that you're no match for someone who is capable of presenting the facts.  

This line was the one of many reasons why Jews and Muslims dismiss Jesus as nothing more than a prophet.  Of course, Christians such as yourself get all insecure, act like a 2 year old, and take my postings personally because it's supposedly "BLASPHEMY! SACRILEGE!" to your holy religion, LMAO.  

It proves just how dumb Christians are and you won't admit it.  Just admit that Christians are wrong about Jesus being god. After all, jews and muslims agree too. Admit that you are seriously inadequate in debating someone who's far more knowledgeable than you are. You're no match for my wits and intellect.  If you think otherwise, I'll gladly accept your sissy challenge. ;)  Don't be a sissy who turns this into a personal attack for no good reason, cuz it just shows your immaturity.  

BLIND FAITH IS BLIND. Where's the fucking evidence?  

Give supporting evidence if you think you know better, but something tells me you don't know anything... as usual.

Snowman391292 reads

Faith is belief without proof. Plain and simple.

You belittle people who have faith by trying to tear them down along with their religion, and then become "offended" when your own insecurities (which are all in this post make obvious), are pointed out.

My position is one of faith, therefore proof is not something I need to provide. And if you would bother to actually READ THE BIBLE, you would see Jesus is the Son of God, NOT GOD!!!!

Therefore, your argument is CRAP!!!

Believe it or not, I have read that BS bible from cover to cover and know the entire story, probably know more about it than you ever will.  

Last I checked this board says "Politics and Religion". I'm bringing up a topic and I'm stating my reasons why Christianity is a bogus religion.  Any idiot knows the story of the trinity, I even wrote that he's the son of god in the original post. Did you miss that?  LOL  Tell me something I don't know.

The fact that Jesus blurted out this line proves to any man with an IQ higher than a cucumber, that Jesus was nothing more than an ordinary man with a delusional god complex. Jews reject him. Muslims reject him.  
A famous "prophet" conjoured up by man, yes, but a human nonetheless.  

He never performed any miracles because he can't: he has no special powers except to speak in proverbs like an idiot and talk like a fucking mangina. lol

Snowman391113 reads

You are so quick to want proof, where is your proof that no miracles were performed?

See, that is your problem, you spout off stuff like  

He never performed any miracles because he can't: he has no special powers except to speak in proverbs like an idiot and talk like a fucking mangina
But of course you do not feel you need to prove this. However, anyone else who posts needs to provide proof by your standards.

Shows both your hypocrisy as well as your lack of debate skills.

He sure didn't write it. Who heard it? Does it matter that it wasn't written into text for 100+ yrs? Does it matter that when it was first written in Ameriac (sic) and one word might have a different meaning or context then in other languages? You ve seen the English instructions that come in Chinese products right? Many things are lost in translation. That's not even mentioning the bible was hand written for 1000+ yrs. Have you ever heard of the phenomena called literary license? In 1000 yrs it could have happened right?  
      I read about a study done in the 60's where university students were given a chapter 22 pages long to copy word for word and graded on it. The same professor gave these word for word copies to the next class of students and repeated the process. Care to guess at how many times the process was repeated before the chapter was altered in marked ways? After 4 copies, only one of the original 50 had fewer than 15 mistakes. Many had whole paragraphs removed or added. Now think about a book the size and scope of the bible and 1000 + yrs, not to mention the language changes, whole parts of it are likely very different then when it was first written. So hang on to your one sentence as proof. Discount the fact that a dying tortured man might be out of his mind or not know what he was saying. You ve admitted that he was human, if he existed

Posted By: Drunken Asian
enough said :D

according to your logic, that means the book is even more useless than we had thought.  what good is a book full of nonsense compounded by translation errors?  

So,  the verdict is,  I compare my calculus 101,  chemistry 101, and physics 101...  versus the bible.  

Guess which text is more accurate???  

even by your reasoning alone,  the bible becomes a worthless and inaccurate useless garbage.  :

And you want to use it to base theories on. As a moral compass for people who want it or need it? Then it becomes worth while. Can you say you disagree with the actually principals of the bible or just the way it tells stories to teach them?  
     The world was a much different place when it was written and the stories might very well have been needed to convey the messages of compassion, charity and forgiveness that Christianity was trying to portray.  
      The world as a whole would look much different if there hadn't been Christianity, better or worse I can't say without a doubt but for all it's faults the church and religion as a whole has done a lot to better society. Religion as a whole has tought compassion towards your fellow man if nothing else. The first charities, hospitals, schools and hospices were all run by religious groups. Think about that before you dispell every one of them as bull shit, worthless groups.

Religion has caused far more deaths and wars,  fights,  than anything.    It's better that we do without the bull shit and delusional idiots who choose to follow a book of bull shit simply cuz it contains feel good statements that sound like moral compasses.  

 
who is to say that we can't get our moral compass from Shakespeare's work?  same damn fictitious work,  bull shit story,  but at least Shakespeare doesn't require us to tithe,  worship him on Sundays,  and claim that we're going to hell if we don't follow his commandments.

Snowman391094 reads

Jesus was actually quoting Psalms 22. It starts exactly that way but delivers the message that even in our darkest hour, God delivers us.  

Don't feel bad, you are not the first buffoon to try to use this argument, you will not be the last.

Check and Mate.  

Psalm 22

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer;
and by night, but find no rest.
3 Yet you are holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel.
4 In you our ancestors trusted; they trusted, and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried, and were saved; in you they trusted, and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm, and not human; scorned by others, and despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock at me; they make mouths at me, they shake their heads;
8 “Commit your cause to the Lord; let him deliver—let him rescue the one in whom he delights!”
9 Yet it was you who took me from the womb; you kept me safe from my mother’s breast.
10 On you I was cast from my birth, and since my mother bore me you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls encircle me, strong bulls of Bã’shan surround me;
13 they open wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax; it is melted within my breast;
15 my mouth is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to my jaws; you lay me in the dust of death.
16 For dogs are all around me; a company of evildoers encircles me. My hands and feet have shriveled;
17 I can count all my bones. They stare and gloat over me;
18 they divide my clothes among themselves, and for my clothing they cast lots.
19 But you, O Lord, do not be far away! O my help, come quickly to my aid!
20 Deliver my soul from the sword, my life from the power of the dog!
21 Save me from the mouth of the lion!
From the horns of the wild oxen, you have rescued me.
22 I will tell of your name to my brothers and sisters; in the midst of the congregation I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him! All you offspring of Jacob, glorify him; stand in awe of him, all you offspring of Israel!
24 For he did not despise or abhor the affliction of the afflicted; he did not hide his face from me, but heard when I cried to him.
25 From you comes my praise in the great congregation; my vows I will pay before those who fear him.
26 The poor shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the Lord. May your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him.
28 For dominion belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.
29 To him, indeed, shall all who sleep in the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and I shall live for him.
30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord,
31 and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, saying that he has done it.

more complete and utter bull shit from delusional "believers".  
cry out why God has forsaken you and then claim you're quoting from psalms during the most inappropriate moment while dangling on the cross hanging for dear life.   why the fuck would a dead man quote from anything?  you're a fucking idiot lmao

believe what you want,  retards.   I choose science over religion any day.  We don't need bull shit religion.

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Because he knew he was coming back. Unlike you and I, he knew he would rise.  
Therefore, the finality you place on your own little miserable existence does not apply to him.
Therefore your assumption on how he should be acting are totally wrong (like so many of your other view points).

The real definition of an idiot is one who lacks enough mental capability to understand that there is no conflict between religion and science. A person so limited by their IQ that they can not see beyond their own experiences. A person whose mental capabilities are so lacking he can not comprehend that fact that there are things beyond his understanding (the type of mentality that believed in a a flat earth). A person who is, yes, a Dumb Asian. :-)

""The real definition of an idiot is one who lacks enough mental capability to understand that there is no conflict between religion and science. A person so limited by their IQ that they can not see beyond their own experiences.""

he believes in his nose, it's stuck to his face.

AND your gay lover Jesus never rose from the dead.  

Oh yes it says so I'm the bible.  But there's your circular reasoning again. Maybe you actually believe Jesus was really born on December 25th? If you really believe this then you're even dumber than you sound. Do some fucking research and get back to me with his real estimated birth day.  If you're smart,  then get back to me with historical reasons why the religious pukes stuck with December 25th. If you do not know the answer to these two things then you're just another clueless religious puke who needs to call people dumb Asians and make racial remarks just to prove your point.  

Did you know that there are four different accounts of the resurrection of Jesus in the bible? Did you even read that shit like I did? All are different in the way they observe this ressurected figure.  

Sometimes he just passes through walls.  Sometimes people can't recognized him. Sounds to me like no different from Casper the friendly ghost and the story about the tooth fairy.  

Hey I got an island in Bahamas I'm selling too.  Would you happen to be just as gullible?  Did you know that the word "gullible"  isn't even in the dictionary?  

Hint: He was never ressurected in real life.  

As with most things in the bullshit book,  even his ressurection is to be taken symbolically. LMAO  

Do some Real research and you'll know this is far more true.  

Read some books,  get a brain, and maybe some day you'll actually know what you're talking about cuz your biblical knowledge is profoundly lacking just as much as your knowledge of science.  

You're no match for my wits :)

Snowman391072 reads

Gay lover Jesus?

Is that all you have?

i took a hiatus from the board and came back hoping people would have gotten better at debate, it seems just the opposite.  

What is really funny is you knock me for quoting from the Bible to prove a point, when that is what you started the whole thread with.

Your debate skills really suck...

That isn't full of faults? Esp if you consider how many times it was transcribed before the printing press and how many different languages it was translated to, many multiple times.  
    Do you believe that god or Jesus wrote the bible? That they dictated it? If not than flaws are to be expected right?  
     Why do you attack Christianity so much? There are 6 or 7 different major religions in the world, some with more followers...  
     Why bother trying to change peoples beliefs? If they didn't ask for your opinion or start a thread on it why do you? What bothers you so much about someone believing in god or Jesus? I have stated before that I am not religious but some people are, you use a book written millennia ago as your source of proof they are wrong. Anyone in a scientific community would laugh at you trying to use something written in that time period as proof of anything.  90% of the books and documents surviving from that time period have been proven to have faults, but the bible can't because you take it literally?  
      The truth is we truly don't know why it was even written, who wrote it, when all of it was done. But it works for you as resource to dispell Christianity?

And all I'm doing is telling the truth.  Did I make anything up in my post? No. It's all factual.  

When I see the facts, it tells me that Christianity is man made bull shit story. Jesus was never a super being capable of super powers or miracles.  

Just because you choose to blindly believe a bull shit story doesn't mean the rest of us should stay quiet and put up with the spread of the bull shit story.  

Science is the truth, the light, and the way. Modern Medicine gave you a longer disease free life. Convert to science and you will be born again.

From a scientific stand point you are quoting a book that's 1800 yrs old and using it as your only source. It wouldn't fly in any scientific community. Do you know the modern churches stance on the bible? That it's not a scientific book and not meant to be? If that's the case why are you using it as such?  
      I have said I am not religious and I mean. I think I've been in a church less than 20 times in my life, I don't read the bible and don't believe the stories in it. But you are using science to discredit something a a way that is totally unscientific. To take things from the bible and use them as scientific fact when even the pope has said it's not kind of proves it.  
      If science could explain everything I couldn't argue with you. Personally I agree with  your post, but from a stand point of it actually containing real science? ComeOn man...  
     Who first came up with the idea of the Big Bang theory? It s probably the biggest scientific advance in 150 yrs and led us to understanding of our universe.  
     "In fact, may great scientific advances have come about through Catholic scholarship and education. The most recent and interesting case is that of Monsignor Georges Lemaître (pictured above, center) a Belgian priest who proposed the Big Bang theory. When he proposed his theory, Einstein rejected it, causing Monsignor Lemaître to write to him: “Your math is correct, but your physics is abominable.” Eventually Einstein came to accept the theory."

before Google invented a better search engine,  there were several competing sites that utilized ranking based on back links.  

guess who made the cut?  You guessed it.  the guys who executed the idea better.  Google.  

right around the same Einstein came up with his theories,  mathematics already existed.  Lorentz had already cum up with the math needed to explain relativity but it was Einstein who correctly explained it and applied it.    

ideas are useless and ideas are very cheap,  any fuck tard philosopher with a two dollar notebook can claim he came up with the ideas but mark my words unless you come up with a way to experimentally verify and/ or a theory that explains that idea in terms of existing physical laws that build on top of each other,  it's nothing but crack pot philosopher taking wild guesses without a shred of evidence.  

Catholics are good at dreaming shit up without a shred of evidence. they almost killed galileo for speaking about heliocentric theory only yo post housmously issue an apology 300 years later.  galileo owned the Catholic Church after his death and made them look like a fucking fool lol.    

 blind faith.  yup. that's their MO. not a shred of evidence just blind faith.  see how stupid they really are??

Much of life is blind faith. How do you think some of the most challenging solutions are achieved. Believing in this is how it works and proving it. I have said it many times before and you ignore it but your god "science" would not be where it is today without the support of all religions. Religions opened the first school, developed the first written words, kept most of the written records we have from ancient times. Go believe that religion wasn't a crutch for science for 3800 yrs.

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