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Revelations 13
 
And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.  

 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. 4 And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

 And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.  It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven.  

 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation,  and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. If anyone has an ear, let him hear:

Example (Television)

 
The Second Beast

 Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.  It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.  

 It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,  and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.  

 And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.  

Example (The Internet)  

 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,  so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.  This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

Example (Man made climate change)

 
 If anyone is to be taken captive,
    to captivity he goes;

if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
    with the sword must he be slain.

Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints...

Pimpathy2990 reads

Therefore life has emotion.

 
Unless you can prove otherwise using only science.

God might exist but certainly wasnt Jesus or Osiris or Krishna. There's a difference between "real"  creator versus man made deities....  The latter are bull.

Pimpathy614 reads

Like what... climate change?

go read some fucking books and read some papers first,  then we talk.  there's absolutely no point talking about a topic that requires a much more in depth knowledge to someone who lacks even proper communication skills lo

Pimpathy839 reads

Revelations 13
 
And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.  

 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. 4 And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

 And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.  It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven.  

 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation,  and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. If anyone has an ear, let him hear:

Example (Television)

 
The Second Beast

 Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.  It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.  

 It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,  and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.  

 And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.  

Example (The Internet)  

 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,  so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.  This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

Example (Man made climate change)

 
 If anyone is to be taken captive,
    to captivity he goes;

if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
    with the sword must he be slain.

Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints...

and you quote from a book that I has zero credibility and lack substantial evidence lol Keyword being evidence.  If you're too dumb to understand fundamental concepts of science you will never see the truth. it is simple as that.  

religion is for suckers who are too stubborn and dumb to see the truth even when it is staring right at them.  I choose to believe experimental evidence because it is the truth,  the light,  and the way.  

seeing from the satellite cameras that earth is round and orbits the sun disproves thousands of years of bogus belief that religious flat landers who stubbornly held on to it even after scientists showed evidence. that concept must be new to you.  

science makes mistakes too but the difference is that it  evolves quickly,  it throws away stupid ideas when experiments or obsercations show that it was a stupid idea.  it correct from prior mistakes and evolves with better information.  on the other hand religion is stupid fundamentally and flawed in so many ways because it is driven by blind faith.  the same faith that gets stupid pastors bitten by snakes and Catholic church trying to burn people who are smarter than them.  

enough said.

Pimpathy580 reads

Chances are I didn't say more than twenty words. Surely, you could point out which words were religious

your proof being that life has emotions when only higher order life actually has any emotions.  

copy pasting the book of revelation and then you're saying you're not talking about religion...  

You're amazingly too too TSTTT

Pimpathy800 reads

I don't see how using "Religious text" to tell a story, is indicative of being religious. I could see if it was my intent to teach Christianity, however that is not my intent...

You're trying to tell a random story from the bible for no reason, after you specifically said you're not talking about religion.  

You defend the existence of god, attempt to tell the story from the book of relevation as if your life depended on it, yet you claim you're not religious.  

You're one seriously & thoroughly confused dude, aren't you?

Jews don't believe in Jesus  
Neither do Muslims.  they read the Quran which is a similar book
but mentions Mohammed  
Christianity and Catholicism uses the bible you quoted.  
Jahovas witness too.  
similar dumb beliefs with a few minor differences.  

Get a fucking clue before you quote something you have zero knowledge about

Pimpathy654 reads

That I was not being religious with my post. Since you can not identify a specific organized religion from what I posted.

 
Did you read past chapter 13, at your own free will ?

Jews don't believe in Jesus  
Neither do Muslims.  they read the Quran which is a similar book
but mentions Mohammed  
Christianity and Catholicism uses the bible you quoted.  
Jahovas witness too.  
similar dumb beliefs with a few minor differences.  

Get a fucking clue before you quote something you have zero knowledge about

Pimpathy697 reads

Emotion, and the conscious reaction to those emotions. In relationship to the choices we make.

You don't even know the story of the bible and you talk about the topic of religion as if you have any idea of what you're talking about.  

I'm pretty damn sure you haven't even passed trigonometry or science 101 in high school,  how else would someone be so ignorant and lack so much fundamental understanding of the topic

Pimpathy878 reads

Nor will you find me discussing Religion.

 
Using technology, I challenge you to find one of my posts. Where I discuss the topic of Religion.

Posted By: Drunken Asian
You don't even know the story of the bible and you talk about the topic of religion as if you have any idea of what you're talking about.  
   
 I'm pretty damn sure you haven't even passed trigonometry or science 101 in high school,  how else would someone be so ignorant and lack so much fundamental understanding of the topic.  
   
 

Pimpathy634 reads

Now where is your proof ?

One poster claims you're spewing religious folklore. You claim you aren't? I'm not so old that I can't be naturally befuddled. All of the passages you've shared are Biblical text correct?

Please clarify and classify for this old man before I hop on the Asian bandwagon. I can't figure your angle.

During the time of pimple's poor attempt at a debate with me, his zit must have popped. Unfortunately, that zit was also his brain and he had a brain fart. That's why he can't keep track of what the topic was about.  LMAO

Now he's the underdog though cuz this thread of his just put him close to Fungus's spot for the dumbest poster of the year trophy. It's getting hard to decide who's dumber due to their fierce competitive nature in this race for the SPOTY trophy.  

GAG has his money on Fungus. I'm betting on Pimples considering he just might pop his last brain, I mean zit and say something incredibly stupid for the whole board to witness.

Pimpathy691 reads

My post was more of a challenge to religion than a post of religious doctrine. The story of  the two beasts, could have easily been about politics and religion(two blind faiths) as it was about television and the web.  

 
OSP, does that change the lesson of the original story?

then by definition, the book does not contain factual information. Any idiot can interpret the book to fit his own needs, by interpreting that bs however way he sees fit.  That isn't how a factually correct book would need to be interpreted if it was factually correct.  

Barnum Statement...

Pimpathy798 reads

Religion

1. belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny

2. any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief   ⇒ the Christian religion

3. the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers

4. (mainly Roman Catholic Church) the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and  

4. obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns   ⇒ to enter religion

5. something of overwhelming importance to a person   ⇒ football is his religion

6. (archaic)  

a. the practice of sacred ritual observances  
b. sacred rites and ceremonies
 

Posted By: Drunken Asian
You don't even know the story of the bible and you talk about the topic of religion as if you have any idea of what you're talking about.  
   
 I'm pretty damn sure you haven't even passed trigonometry or science 101 in high school,  how else would someone be so ignorant and lack so much fundamental understanding of the topic.  
   
 

And Pimpy, you're speaking gibberish.  

If I'm understanding the point you're making correctly, then you're claiming that the existence of emotions prove God's existence. Now I may have your point wrong, because, after all, it is gibberish.  

But if that is your argument, then let's use science to prove it wrong.  

To make that claim, you'd have to then be suggesting that emotions could not have evolved naturally.  

If emotions did evolve, then some forms of life would have emotions, and others would not.  

Plants do not have emotions. We know this for a fact, because plants don't have central nervous systems.  

Many animals don't have emotions either. Single celled life like amoebas and the humble paramecium do not have emotions. Fish don't have emotions either. While a fish can feel stress and discomfort and surely pain, a fish cannot form an emotion about that. Reptiles, insects, and most marine life also can't feel emotions. Some birds can feel emotions, but complex emotions as we understand it, and think about it when we talk about emotions, is reserved to mammals.  

So what makes mammals so different? Well, for one, mammals have an insular cortex, more popularly known as the mammalian brain.  

The insular cortex is what is responsible for consciousness. It controls what you're thinking about (and feeling emotionally) right now in the present (as opposed to storing memories, or controlling your heart rate).  

The insular cortex controls your perception, your self-awareness, your motor controls, and even your cognitive functions.  

Many mammals have a fairly small insular cortex (in relation to the total size of their brain), but humans have an absolutely massive insular cortex. It's one of the reasons why we're so fucking smart.  

The anterior portion of the insular cortex plays a large role in the the control of our emotions. And no, this isn't guess work. We know this to be a fact. For instance, there are several case studies in which some people have brain damage to the anterior portion of their insular cortex, and these same people have trouble processing and displaying emotions. For instance, a group of patients who had brain lesions in their left amygdala could not detect fear in other people. We know that the right superior temporal gyrus is important when it comes to processing happiness, while the left side processes fear.  

There is nothing mysterious about emotions. We know what causes them, how they're processed, and even how to artificially modify them. All these things have an evolutionary foundation in the mammalian brain. Magic Man in the clouds have dick-all to do with it.  

But, even if we didn't understand how emotions were processed, then it still would prove the existence of a deity. It would be like saying, "I don't understand why my dick gets hard when I look at a pair of tits. Maybe Jesus performed a magic trick."

GaGambler908 reads

You might as well try to teach Fungus to spell. It's a complete waste of your time.

It is nice that you wrote any explanation that "any idiot" could understand, unfortunately Pimpy isn't just "any idiot" he is an idiot on par with Fungus or TrannyBoy.

I'd say that just tops the TSTTT charts.  lol

How do we debate someone who lacks the ability to differentiate what topic we are discussing.

GaGambler816 reads

but that doesn't mean you can't still talk "about" him, that can be fun. Talking to him is like talking to Fungy, you lob an insult or two, watch them go over his head, and then just make fun of him. Trying to debate him will just give you a headache.

Pimpathy902 reads

You talk about two different people at the same time, while complaining about having a head ache. Let me guess?... You are retaining water too.

Posted By: GaGambler
but that doesn't mean you can't still talk "about" him, that can be fun. Talking to him is like talking to Fungy, you lob an insult or two, watch them go over his head, and then just make fun of him. Trying to debate him will just give you a headache.

Pimpathy636 reads

Your "insular cortex" thesis proves my point "God exists" because man has the ability to control their emotions. Care to explain the "science" of evolution?

All the complexities that exist make the argument "against" fall on deaf ears IMO

There are other possible answers besides blind faith in a non  existent diety, or blind faith in the non-existence of such a deity.

I say to you, there are other options that people who claim faith and a belief in god, such as yourself, simply would be unable to wrap their heads around the concept, let along be able to discuss it rationally.
 
to wit... my blessed mother was a deeply religious woman. When I told her I did not believe in god or the torah as being divinely written, she immediately assumed it was because i now believed in jesus. She simply could not accept the notion of not believing in any form of deity or superior being. Of course theres a god! he made the world 5774 years and 5 1/2 months ago! Right.

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you can say you have proof god exists, or you don't need proof god exists because you have faith.
I say to you there is no proof god exists. and faith is just another bullshit excuse to rationalize the THEORY that some all powerful omnipotent being who created the universe is concerned with the comings and goings of us human insects on planet earth.  
A god that demands the opulence of wealth and riches in the prayer houses and churches where the demands of needing to be worshiped by the likes of us are met? That aint no god I will ever believe in.
Sounds more like some greedy egotist filled with Hubris and Hot Air fleecing the masses for personal enrichment.
Kinda like what the Vatican does to the Catholics, and every smarmy televangelist does to each and every one of those stupid fools who equate a faked epileptic seizure with Speaking in Tongues.

Pimpathy644 reads

I think that's been discussed to some degree, as a working theory.

 
... if we are evolving, wouldn't God be evolving with us?

Posted By: Pimpathy
I think that's been discussed to some degree, as a working theory.  
   
   
 ... if we are evolving, wouldn't God be evolving with us?
No. If that were true then his followers would be revising that fable/bible and bring it into the 21st century and not still try and force rules etc. that belong in the dark ages.

Pimpathy714 reads

God can not evolve, because people hold on to traditional religious beliefs?

Posted By: hbyist+truth=;(
 
   
Posted By: Pimpathy
I think that's been discussed to some degree, as a working theory.  
     
     
  ... if we are evolving, wouldn't God be evolving with us?
   
 No. If that were true then his followers would be revising that fable/bible and bring it into the 21st century and not still try and force rules etc. that belong in the dark ages.
What a closed mind you have.

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