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I don't vote Matt
Pimpathy 384 reads
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I can't answer this question.

Pimpathy2093 reads

Voters, why do you support your candidate/incumbent ?

I wish there were more Independent or a third party to vote for.  

Libertarians is not my game they dumber than door nail.

Pimpathy372 reads

Would represent you any better than the Democratic, or Republican party?

That is why the puppet masters that own both Parties will not allow a viable third party candidate. Ross Perot as well as Ralph Nader were everything but publically lynched by the puppet masters. Truth is gone, the American ideal is gone, any semblance too true democracy is gone. We are controlled by a banking cartel that makes all the decisions, and both Republican and Democrat candidates dance to their bidding no matter what.

 

Posted By: Pimpathy
Would represent you any better than the Democratic, or Republican party?

Pimpathy385 reads

I can't answer this question.

your one and only friend on these boards. lol

You and you god damn be nice shit.  

When is the “you only wrote x reviews shit question coming out.  

You don’t vote and you get into a political debate then you have zero credibility. You are just damn shadow in the dark. Useless one at that.

Pimpathy323 reads

as to why a person has earned the vote of another.

 
 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.  Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.  

 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.  

  Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.  

 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place,  and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.  

 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.  Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+6&version=NIV

Put a real conservative, on the ticket, and I will. My interest is the social issues not fiscal. Why in hades would I care about money? Only hoarders care about that shit. Both parties can kiss my white ass. Oh shit! Was that(white ass)racially insensitive? Lol

RokkKrinn349 reads

With respect to the abortion issue, there are significant chunks of the US population which hold an entire range of different nuanced positions:

--  Those who believe in no abortions ever, for any reason

--  Those who believe in no abortion, except in cases of rape, incest, or to protect the life of the mother

--  Those who believe that an "underage" pregnant mother-to-be should only be allowed to abort with consent (or notification after the fact) of her parents

--  Those who believe that abortions should be permitted, but only after the pregnant mother-to-be is required to sit through some sort of counseling, or presentation of exactly what happens during an abortion, or required to view the ultrasound of her own child in the womb

--  Those who believe that abortion should always be legal during the first trimester

--  Those who believe that abortion should be legal until the fetus is "viable"

--  Those who believe that abortion should be legal right up until the point where the baby is being pushed out of the mother

--  Those who believe that "abortion" is legal even after delivery

With all that in mind, what the state of Texas is doing is somewhere vaguely in the middle of this range.  Other states may enact laws/regulations/restrictions which are somewhat more or less restrictive than those.  But the end result is always going to be something in the middle.

The truth is that the dividing line on this issue for most people comes with the beginning of Month 5 of pregnancy; look at any poll on this point--they all indicate that more than 50% of the population is opposed to abortion in Months 5-9.  The recently convicted abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell (who specialized in late-term and/or "partial birth" abortions) has few advocates, even within the "pro-choice" community.

Even if SCOTUS revisited Roe v Wade tomorrow, and overturned itself, that would not mean that the day after tomorrow, the "back-alley abortion" business would be back in full swing.  It would simply turn the issue back to the discretion of the individual States (what a shocking concept!  Pushing decision-making about an issue back to the local level, rather than reserving it to nine men and women in black robes!  Why, the very idea is un-democratic!  Umm, wait...I think I got it wrong in there someplace).

Texas will do whatever it will do, sure; but so will states like Massachusetts and California--and they will likely provide for abortion-on-demand at any time during pregnancy, and even subsidize it with taxpayer funds.

If you don't like the rules on abortion in your state, you can stay and try to change people's minds, or you can pick up and go somewhere else that more closely reflects your values.  That's the point of living in a Federalist system.

"Social conservatism" does not = back-alley abortions, or "Evangelical Christian white men" dictating matters of conscience to you.  The US is a pretty big, diverse place.  Social conservatives will never dominate public policy across all fifty states.

In fact, I would much prefer it if Roe v Wade were overturned/struck down.  If that happened, then Presidential elections would not hinge on this fake "pro-life/pro-choice" issue with the attendant "What will this candidate's Supreme Court appointments be like?" question.

And the entire abortion issue would be put back in the hands of We The People to decide for ourselves.

Curious why don't you support Jerry Brown 2.0.? I really like to know your opinion.

Have you ever wondered why no third party candidate has EVER won the Presidency? Have you ever wondered why third party candidates very rarely win Congress or Senate races? Did you know that in many countries, there are many political parties? In the UK, there are several political parties. In the UK House of Commons, there are Conservative and Unionist Party, the Liberal Democrats, the Labour Party, the Democratic Unionist Party, the Scottish National Party, Sinn Fein, the Plaid Cymru Party of Wales, the Social Democratic and Labour Party, the Alliance Party of Northern Ireland, the Green Party of England and Wales, the Respect Party, the Ulster Unionist Party, the Scottish Green Party, NI21, the Green Party of Northern Ireland, the Traditional Unionist Voice, the UK Independence Party and the British National Party.

Each party has at least 1 member in the UK House of Commons.

So why does the USA have only 2 major political parties, and the UK has 18 political parties, just in their House of Commons alone?

The reason is because we are the first modern country to experiment with democracy. And in that first iteration of democratic governance, we created a winner-takes-all election system.

Whoever wins the majority of the vote, wins the whole damn thing. If your candidate gets 49% of the vote, and the other guy gets 51%, then the 49%, essentially are denied real representation. They lose. They're shut out.

Later on, people noticed that this was pretty fucked up, and in an attempt to remedy it, they created a parliamentary system. If 33% of the voters vote for the Let's Shit A Brick party, then the Let's Shit A Brick candidates get 33% of the seats in Parliament.

A single party rarely gets majority power, and so majorities have to be negotiated between the different parties. In order for Party A to have effective majority power, Party B and Party C has to agree to it, and back them. If Party B and Party C loses confidence in Party A's performance, they can stop backing them, Party A loses it's majority, and elections are called to settle the dispute.

Sounds complicated, eh? It is. But it actually works.

In the USA, we're still stuck with the old 18th century winner-takes-all system. And in a winner-takes-all system, in order for you to have the greatest chance of winning, you limit how many competitors you have. Therefore, a winner-takes-all system naturally produces a 2 party system.

That is why the USA has always been a 2 party nation. Whether it was the Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans. Or the Democratic-Republicans and the Whigs. Or the Democrats and the Republicans. Always 2 parties.

There is one way around this. It would be very difficult to change things to a parliamentary system, but we could do it by default at the voting booth, with something called instant run-off voting.

Here's how it works. You vote for whatever candidate you want. But you also get to vote for who your 2nd preference is. And your 3rd. And your 4th. If your first choice doesn't get a clear majority, then you vote goes to your 2nd preference.

They already have this system in place in the state of Vermont, and Vermont is one of the few states that has an independent serving them in the US Senate.

RokkKrinn327 reads

In the UK and many other European countries, there is indeed a multi-party Parliament system, with (frequently) two or three dozen parties, each of which gets some share of the seats in the legislature.  However, members of Parliament (or whatever name is used to describe the legislature) do not represent specific geographic areas in many of these countries.  You, the voter, walk into a voting booth and check the box or pull the lever for the political party of your choice.  If 30% of the vote goes to the Republocrat party, while 35% goes to the Demopublicans, with scattered smaller percentages going to the rest, then the legislature is going to reflect that.  However, even in the UK, there is still a cutoff value--which if I'm not mistaken is 5%.  If your party only gets 4% of the total votes cast, your party will have no voice in the legislature.  Some countries have even lower cutoffs than that.  I believe Israel's is 1%--which is why they have a 120-member legislature with some ridiculously large number of parties, many of which have only one or two elected members--but each of those one-person delegations gets to be Minister of Something-or-Other, in order to build the coalition that brings the magic number of 61 for a governing coalition.

Contrast with the USA where Senators represent the interests of an entire state, and Representatives are there to look after the interests of even smaller districts within those states.  We don't elect our Senators and Congresscritters "at large" (as many European countries do)--the original intent was to have Senators be something on the order of today's UN Ambassador, representing the interests of your State before the Federal Government, and Congresscritters were intended to be directly representing the People.

With a country as vast and diverse as the United States, it is necessary to have a system in place where the interests of the People, those of the States, and those of the Nation are all organized differently, so that each can act as a check on the free and unfettered use/abuse of power of the others.

Does the US/Federalist system "get it wrong" sometimes?  Of course.  But European-style governments are not without their own flaws as well.  Hitler was elected "democratically".  The National Socialist party consistently drew the largest amount of votes in the tumultuous series of German elections in 1932 and '33--never a majority, but ultimately able to form a governing coalition with the Communist party in order to make Hitler the Chancellor (and ultimately Fuhrer).

France has had a rough go of things at several points in its history, and is currently going through another one.  The Le Pen/National Front movement (sort of a neo-Nazi party) is making great strides at present, and may come to dominate France in the near future.  Ditto for troubled Greece and its' "Golden Dawn" party (surely a neo-Nazi party--just look at their swastika like emblem).

Just as a general matter:  Putting together these kinds of governing coalitions often gives too much relative power (in the form of key ministries) to the smaller parties, just to secure the coalition of the one or two large parties that make up the bulk of the majority.  This is why we frequently see dissolutions of Parliaments in the UK, Italy, Israel, etc--a Prime Minister pushes an issue to the edge, calls it a "vote of confidence", the vote fails, the governing coalition is dissolved, and it's back to the drawing board as new elections are now needed.  It's hard enough to get Americans to tune in and pay attention every other November; how well do you think we'd do if we had elections every six or twelve months?  That early November thing is kind of baked into the DNA of Americans now.  You'd never be able to change that.

The two-party system has its flaws as well.  The main "flaw" though, is that as national parties, they each have a tendency to compete for constituencies as new issues are presented.  Inside the Republican party, you have Rand Paul-libertarian-neo-isolationist types, John McCain/Newt Gingrich "big government conservative" types, John Bolton "aggressive projection of American power" types, various social conservatives, etc.

Democrats have the same problems, as they need to promote their brand as the party of the "little guy," the underdog, reaching out to various identifiable special interests (many of which are actually in conflict with one another), and at the same time sucking in enough money from their deep-pocketed donors in Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and AFL-CIO to stay in the game.  Both parties run a very delicate balancing act, and it is totally consistent with the nature of American politics for each party to seek out new constituencies at the expense of potentially forsaking older ones.  Look at what a bizarre party the Democrats of 1940s-1960s was:  The southern Democrats were the worst kinds of racists, fervent believers in segregation, and overall fairly "conservative", while their northern brethren were "progressive" and "liberal".  A perfect example of this would be Senator Strom Thurmond, who started his political career as a Democrat, and ended it as a Republican.  The Democrats had embraced so many new constituencies and ideologies that Strom no longer felt at home in his own party

A self-identified "Democrat" of the 1880's would be horrified to see what had become of his party in the 21st century.  I suspect the same would be true of a "Republican" of that era who was suddenly transplanted to today.

[Speaking of which:  Have you ever looked at the issues which divided the "Federalists" and the "Republicans" of the early 1800s?  I've tried repeatedly to figure out which party I would have identified with, had I been alive then.  I can't decide for the life of me...I guess you just "had to be there".]

The kind of pre-voting for 2nd and 3rd choices that is suggested is not necessarily such a great system.  It too produces aberrations of various types.  And somehow, I suspect that Willy wouldn't be quite as fond of the "Vermont system" if it had instead produced a far-right Senator, rather than a far-left one.

And just for the record, within some states and some cities, there are all sorts of other systems for electing public officials:  There are non-partisan elections.  There are elections for city Mayors or County Executives where an outright majority is not required but something more than a simple plurality is necessary--often 40% is the threshold amount, so if no candidate gets over that amount, the top two face each other again in a runoff election.  There are other examples, but I'm too lazy to dig them up right now.

btw, we have had quite a few non-majority Presidents.  These include Polk, Taylor, Buchanan, Lincoln (first term), Garfield, Cleveland (second term), both terms of Woodrow Wilson, Truman ('48), Nixon (first term), and both terms of Bill Clinton.  All of these guys received more votes than any other candidate (a plurality), but not a majority.  This is to say nothing of candidates who got fewer popular votes than some other candidate but still were elected President (John Quincy Adams, Grant, Benjamin Harrison, and George W. Bush).

So all of this whining about "51% of the vote = 100% of the power" is not quite true.

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