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Re: I'm not much for believing in conspiracy theories....but they sure are entertaining.
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This has always gotten to me. Class A fires (wood, paper, carpet) would never make a building with STEEL columns collapse into it's own footprint. Hell, it wouldn't even collapse at all. In my day job, I happen to work in a Class A highrise in a department that affords me a little general knowledge of how they work. It simply does not happen.

For an unknown reason, the fire panel of WTC 7 was put in bypass before 7am on 9/11. When a Class A building's fire & life safety system is put in bypass and there is smoke or fire, the strobes will not flash and the audibles will not sound. In some buildings, the fire department will not be automatically summoned after the 5 minute window of smoke/fire detection. And, sometimes the fire pump will be bypassed as well, so there will be no sprinklers. Why was the fire panel in bypass when there was no construction in the building? I'm not even talking about disabling one floor for maybe some dusty drywall repair. It was in ALL SYSTEM BYPASS. Which is never done. I personally know a security guard that was working in WTC 7 the day before 9/11, and he said there was no construction in the building and they always did the fire pump tests in the afternoon on Fridays. He said their building engineers were so anal about that fire panel that security was not even allowed to disable points on it when it was acting up. He was kinda friendly with one of the building engineers, and even he had no idea it was in bypass. It's just fishy speculation. But, the bottom line is Class A commercial high rises with steel core columns do not collapse from Class A fires.
Posted By: willywonka4u
9/11 was a particularly odd event in a lot of ways. I have my doubts that a plane flown into a building would be able to bring down a sky scraper. A plane once flew into the Empire State building, yet it's still standing. The Windsor Tower in Madrid Spain caught fire, and was completely engulfed in flames, and yet it maintained it's structural integrity.  
   
 Which leads us to WTC building number 7.  
   
 Take a look at the WTC plaza map.  
   
 http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/docs/fig_1_1.jpg  
   
 After 9/11, buildings 4 and 5 had to be pulled down by construction crews. Those buildings remained standing after 9/11. So why did building number 7 fall? It was across the street and wasn't even in the main plaza. No plane flew into 7. There was just a small fire in the building, no one knows why it caught fire, and then the building just collapsed, almost perfectly into it's footprint. It didn't fall over. It just collapsed.  
   
 What did WTC 7 contain? Well, it housed gov't offices, particularly ones that dealt with investigating Wall Street, as well as ones that was aimed at preparing against terrorist attacks.  
   
 The 9/11 narrative we've been told is the same story we got from the Bush administration. This is the same administration that lied us into a war with Iraq. So should we believe their 9/11 story?  
   
 Well, as Dubya once said, "fool me once, shame on, shame on you. fool me, you can't get fooled again."

I've seen and heard some videos about this 'controlled demolition'.  I laughed my ass off at the time and still laugh my ass off because I completely dismiss that insane theory. I'm surprised people actually believe that the US government would kill 3000 innocent American lives.  

But hey, I like looking at all the angles, keep an open mind, and mainly look for evidence. Humor me, crazy conspirators, what would be your proof?  We saw planes fly in. Are you guys really saying there were C4 explosives planted inside by bush administration, while fully aware that all those people are going to be in it?  Who do you think was the mastermind behind this quick kill operation? Bush? How would a US president be able to get away with such mass murder? How would he convince all his followers to follow along without someone snitching and getting him arrested for what really turns out to be an inside terrorist plot?  

The idea is almost a crazy as claiming that some unknown 30-something carpenter in the middle of nowhere with conflicting genealogy records is god almighty himself. Oh no, he's the holy son. Nope, the holy spirit. Nope, the trinity. He transforms like H2O at triple point! Aww damn, he's actually optimus prime the transformer! Nuts

9/11 was a particularly odd event in a lot of ways. I have my doubts that a plane flown into a building would be able to bring down a sky scraper. A plane once flew into the Empire State building, yet it's still standing. The Windsor Tower in Madrid Spain caught fire, and was completely engulfed in flames, and yet it maintained it's structural integrity.  

Which leads us to WTC building number 7.  

Take a look at the WTC plaza map.  

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/docs/fig_1_1.jpg

After 9/11, buildings 4 and 5 had to be pulled down by construction crews. Those buildings remained standing after 9/11. So why did building number 7 fall? It was across the street and wasn't even in the main plaza. No plane flew into 7. There was just a small fire in the building, no one knows why it caught fire, and then the building just collapsed, almost perfectly into it's footprint. It didn't fall over. It just collapsed.  

What did WTC 7 contain? Well, it housed gov't offices, particularly ones that dealt with investigating Wall Street, as well as ones that was aimed at preparing against terrorist attacks.  

The 9/11 narrative we've been told is the same story we got from the Bush administration. This is the same administration that lied us into a war with Iraq. So should we believe their 9/11 story?  

Well, as Dubya once said, "fool me once, shame on, shame on you. fool me, you can't get fooled again."

This has always gotten to me. Class A fires (wood, paper, carpet) would never make a building with STEEL columns collapse into it's own footprint. Hell, it wouldn't even collapse at all. In my day job, I happen to work in a Class A highrise in a department that affords me a little general knowledge of how they work. It simply does not happen.

For an unknown reason, the fire panel of WTC 7 was put in bypass before 7am on 9/11. When a Class A building's fire & life safety system is put in bypass and there is smoke or fire, the strobes will not flash and the audibles will not sound. In some buildings, the fire department will not be automatically summoned after the 5 minute window of smoke/fire detection. And, sometimes the fire pump will be bypassed as well, so there will be no sprinklers. Why was the fire panel in bypass when there was no construction in the building? I'm not even talking about disabling one floor for maybe some dusty drywall repair. It was in ALL SYSTEM BYPASS. Which is never done. I personally know a security guard that was working in WTC 7 the day before 9/11, and he said there was no construction in the building and they always did the fire pump tests in the afternoon on Fridays. He said their building engineers were so anal about that fire panel that security was not even allowed to disable points on it when it was acting up. He was kinda friendly with one of the building engineers, and even he had no idea it was in bypass. It's just fishy speculation. But, the bottom line is Class A commercial high rises with steel core columns do not collapse from Class A fires.

Posted By: willywonka4u
9/11 was a particularly odd event in a lot of ways. I have my doubts that a plane flown into a building would be able to bring down a sky scraper. A plane once flew into the Empire State building, yet it's still standing. The Windsor Tower in Madrid Spain caught fire, and was completely engulfed in flames, and yet it maintained it's structural integrity.  
   
 Which leads us to WTC building number 7.  
   
 Take a look at the WTC plaza map.  
   
 http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/docs/fig_1_1.jpg  
   
 After 9/11, buildings 4 and 5 had to be pulled down by construction crews. Those buildings remained standing after 9/11. So why did building number 7 fall? It was across the street and wasn't even in the main plaza. No plane flew into 7. There was just a small fire in the building, no one knows why it caught fire, and then the building just collapsed, almost perfectly into it's footprint. It didn't fall over. It just collapsed.  
   
 What did WTC 7 contain? Well, it housed gov't offices, particularly ones that dealt with investigating Wall Street, as well as ones that was aimed at preparing against terrorist attacks.  
   
 The 9/11 narrative we've been told is the same story we got from the Bush administration. This is the same administration that lied us into a war with Iraq. So should we believe their 9/11 story?  
   
 Well, as Dubya once said, "fool me once, shame on, shame on you. fool me, you can't get fooled again."

That said Bush was ordered by the Pope to execute the 911 attacks, which would result in Bush staying in office under martial law while working for the Catholic Church. Well, that pope is dead and Bush is out of office so I guess they changed the plan. I used to think Jones was nuts but I realize he is an astute business man raking in a lot dough presenting this nonsense.

slaughtered and genocide 3 million Iraqi people.  750,000 were children.

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Here are some random excerpts from a Wiki page, which actually prove nothing.

Tyson lived near the World Trade Center and was an eyewitness to the September 11, 2001 attacks.   He wrote a widely circulated letter on what he saw. Footage he filmed on the day was included in the 2008 documentary film 102 Minutes That Changed America.

In 2001, US President George W. Bush appointed Tyson to serve on the Commission on the Future of the United States Aerospace Industry and in 2004 to serve on the President's Commission on Implementation of United States Space Exploration Policy, the latter better known as the "Moon, Mars, and Beyond" commission. Soon afterward he was awarded the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal, the highest civilian honor bestowed by NASA.

In an interview with Big Think, Tyson said, "So what people are really after is my stance on religion or spirituality or God, and I would say if I had to find a word that came closest, I would say agnostic... at the end of the day I'd rather not be any category at all." During the interview "Called by the Universe: A conversation with Neil deGrasse Tyson" in 2009, Tyson said: "I can't agree to the claims by atheists that I'm one of that community. I don't have the time, energy, interest of conducting myself that way... I'm not trying to convert people. I don't care.

 
Where are all the Fox bashing Liberals, when you need them? (Rhetorical Question)  

 

Posted By: Drunken Asian
I've seen and heard some videos about this 'controlled demolition'.  I laughed my ass off at the time and still laugh my ass off because I completely dismiss that insane theory. I'm surprised people actually believe that the US government would kill 3000 innocent American lives.  
   
 But hey, I like looking at all the angles, keep an open mind, and mainly look for evidence. Humor me, crazy conspirators, what would be your proof?  We saw planes fly in. Are you guys really saying there were C4 explosives planted inside by bush administration, while fully aware that all those people are going to be in it?  Who do you think was the mastermind behind this quick kill operation? Bush? How would a US president be able to get away with such mass murder? How would he convince all his followers to follow along without someone snitching and getting him arrested for what really turns out to be an inside terrorist plot?  
   
 The idea is almost a crazy as claiming that some unknown 30-something carpenter in the middle of nowhere with conflicting genealogy records is god almighty himself. Oh no, he's the holy son. Nope, the holy spirit. Nope, the trinity. He transforms like H2O at triple point! Aww damn, he's actually optimus prime the transformer! Nuts
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