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What an intense and crazy post!! I just pray everyone stays safe!!!sad_smile
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Posted By: 007hmbhg
 
 The assistant  says he is a female he is a male.  
     
 He will schedule girls to see blacklisted clients and not care about their well being - girls have been raped, physically harmed etc. Em is so money hungry he will schedule the next girl to see the predator. E favors providers he likes by getting uncovered services and starting businesses with them.    
     
     
 One provider in particular whom I'm sure will chime on here claiming he is is harmless is one he favors & has started a business with. Her & her boyfriend have started a client database where all your information is stored. I screened with he with employment & I was not fond of discovering all of my information is stored - stored in the hands of a perp who has already had serious contact with police.    
     
     
 I have met with over 8 providers who use he as their scheduler and all but two have had horrible story's & have been treated like they are only money to him. Something needs to be done here - most of the providers say if they fire him he will retaliate & write false reviews to ruin their business & not hand over their ad accounts also hack their emails. Another gal I met said he wanted full service and she will barter have her incall paid for. She declined & experienced a huge decline in business & harassment. These girls will not get any business if he is upset with them. It's disheartening and wrong. If you have been a victim of him do not be scared to leave.    
     
 There is much more to be said I cannot remember every last thing I was informed - however what I can remember is sickening. He seems great - easy to verify but what goes on behind the scenes is horrendous & needs to be put to a stop.    
   
 

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he assistant  says he is a female he is a male.  
   
He will schedule girls to see blacklisted clients and not care about their well being - girls have been raped, physically harmed etc. Em is so money hungry he will schedule the next girl to see the predator. E favors providers he likes by getting uncovered services and starting businesses with them.    
   
   
One provider in particular whom I'm sure will chime on here claiming he is is harmless is one he favors & has started a business with. Her & her boyfriend have started a client database where all your information is stored. I screened with he with employment & I was not fond of discovering all of my information is stored - stored in the hands of a perp who has already had serious contact with police.    
   
   
I have met with over 8 providers who use he as their scheduler and all but two have had horrible story's & have been treated like they are only money to him. Something needs to be done here - most of the providers say if they fire him he will retaliate & write false reviews to ruin their business & not hand over their ad accounts also hack their emails. Another gal I met said he wanted full service and she will barter have her incall paid for. She declined & experienced a huge decline in business & harassment. These girls will not get any business if he is upset with them. It's disheartening and wrong. If you have been a victim of him do not be scared to leave.    
   
There is much more to be said I cannot remember every last thing I was informed - however what I can remember is sickening. He seems great - easy to verify but what goes on behind the scenes is horrendous & needs to be put to a stop

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.... some of that before. Knew years ago Em is a guy and know his real name. I always laugh when I read a review and the reviewer talks about how sweet the scheduler was...like he was hitting on a girl.  

Now on to the serious  stuff.

Rape? That's a VERY serious  allegation. If that occurred, I hope charges were filed or that the person was somehow outted. I see a fair amount  of  massage  girls, and I haven't  heard about  that incident. Everyone should feel safe in the hobby... and feel safe everywhere.

I have heard about the bartering/exchanging services for rent with Em, and I've heard about some of the stuff he does to initiate girls into the hobby. Personally, I was appalled when I heard this from a provider (still in the hobby), and I believed every word she told me.  But.....  as long as girls continue working for him, he will stay in business. Girls can go to another place or go independent, but I guess the power of money is too great.  There was an unrelated thread a few weeks ago, and the gist of that was that it is up to a girl to decide whether a client gets certain services (DATY, nude, FIV, etc.). I.E., YMMV/it is the woman's decision. I wholeheartedly  agree with that. Unfortunately, the same applies here. If a girl doesn't want to work for Em...dont.  if a girl doesn't want to "put out" for Em....don't.  It is her body, her life. Don't  put up with it. No one is forcing you, or any girl, into this. You and they are free to pursue other careers. Sure, they won't be nearly as lucrative, so I guess it comes  down  to  the  money  as usual.  (Same as my job. I dont care for some  of  the clients I have and some of thecwork, but i choose  to keep it because  of the money.)  Being forced, threatened, or coerced into the hobby or doing other things against their will, that is potentially a crime and should be handled as such.

Here is a serious, thought provoking question, and I am sincere. Since I am not a female, I wonder: when a girl signs up to do nude sensual massages in the hobby, does she really think it's  going to be megabucks  in a side show to the sex industry with no strings or hassles?  Shit, if I could make that kind of money, I'd work 24/7 for 2 years then retire. Seen the prices lately? (Ok, I exaggerate a bit for effect, but you get the point... lots of money & no skills or education required.)

As to your point about data bases.  News flash:  this is, has been, the electronic age. Assume EVERYTHING you do is going to be stored sonewhere, and it WILL come back to haunt you. I cannot believe guys actually  provide  a Facebook or LinkedIn  account to be verified.  Whenever someone says  the  info  will not be saved, turn and run.  That's akin to saying the check's  in the mail or I'll  pull it out  before  I cum.

I sense the passion and urgency in your post, and I hope the wrongs get righted. Always open  to PMs

Not only is Rape a very serious accusation, it's evil to lie about.  Someone (actually, there are a few) that started these rumors after Em stopped doing business with them.  Em is hired, not hiring.  PERIOD.  

Em is the one who won't 'put out' actually.  It's "inappropriate business practices" as was told to me when I hired Em.  Lol.  

The hatred laced in these rumors (not referring to you or the OP, just the people who know what they were saying was totally false) makes my heart cry.  

I don't understand how people can do that.

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Rape, indeed, is a serious crime and accusation. Falsely claiming rape is, to me, just as serious because someone's life is easily destroyed merely by the allegation. I hope my post didn't come across as one minimizing that.

I am not sure what your message to me is.  I have heard from more than one woman at different locations who do not know each other what Em does not only when the girls start but during the course of employment. So I consider the information to be pretty reliable.

Em is hired? Perhaps one could look at it that way. As with ANY employment at will, either party can quit at any time for any reason.  I wrote  a  lot  in other comment just to say:  if you don't like the working conditions....quit. it's  your body to with as you please.  That's it.  :)

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Trin I have met you before & I think you're amazing. However there have been too many women whom are hurt & this needs to be put to a halt.  

Em is poisonous - a modern day pimp. These girls aren't lying there are too many for this to be a lie. Perhaps he favors you? That's great. But for many others they are being hurt mentally on an almost daily basis. I'm sure Em placing ads in other sections for hiring of sexy maids then "mentoring" pimping them into this world of body rubs is not forcing them? Some of these girls have just turned 18 and know no better. Aka pretty much trafficking them! When they want to leave they're threatened and their reputation gets trashed.  

Good luck Trin I wish you the best.  

Posted By: TrinityLake
Not only is Rape a very serious accusation, it's evil to lie about.  Someone (actually, there are a few) that started these rumors after Em stopped doing business with them.  Em is hired, not hiring.  PERIOD.    
   
 Em is the one who won't 'put out' actually.  It's "inappropriate business practices" as was told to me when I hired Em.  Lol.    
   
 The hatred laced in these rumors (not referring to you or the OP, just the people who know what they were saying was totally false) makes my heart cry.    
   
 I don't understand how people can do that.

I have a very good reputation in this hobby, both in keeping clients safe AND in keeping providers safe.  Hundreds of people on this board know that.  I would never hire someone that did not hold my safety first and foremost, or the safety of the girls.

Now, that leaves Em in the unfortunate position to choose reputation and safety over money sometimes.  Several girls have hired Em, but Em has chosen to stop working for them, because they don't show up or communicate or keep changing schedules all the time.  In letting girls go, among other things, means that it is at least EQUALLY as likely that A- you are a disgruntled provider trying to rumor monger a few very good people or 2- you are a client who has been rumor mongered to.

Either way, I'm sorry, you are very mistaken about this whole situation, and eventually the good people (such as myself) will just get very tired of this...

and they have not mentioned the kinds of things that he is accused of here.
Em has always been nice to me when asking for references and such

It seems there are two sides to this story. I'd like to hear from more people either on here or pm. These are serious allegations.

So which is it?  Bitter hobbyist or disgruntled provider?  Either way that's some pretty hurtful lies you are spreading.

For those who have seen me know my feelings about this site so for me to come on here and actually interact, it's a big deal.  
On that note, shame on you for this slander. I'm not sure who shit in your coffee today but your actions are uncalled for. If you have really talked to ladies that work personally with Em then you would be singing a different tune.  
Em has always been a major support system for me (3+ years) and my friends and has never made me feel less than or cross boundaries.  
This is a difficult business to be in and without someone like Em, I wouldn't be able to be in class full time or have time to myself since answering emails can be overwhelming at times. Em gives me the freedom to be me when I'm not at work. You can't put a price on that.  

People need to remember this is more than a hobby, it's a business. With any business you're going to have people who aren't happy and have nothing else to do but bring people down with them instead of working on themselves to prevent their unhappiness.  

Hate is a disease. Don't spread it, treat it.  
 

Posted By: 007hmbhg
 
 The assistant  says he is a female he is a male.  
     
 He will schedule girls to see blacklisted clients and not care about their well being - girls have been raped, physically harmed etc. Em is so money hungry he will schedule the next girl to see the predator. E favors providers he likes by getting uncovered services and starting businesses with them.    
     
     
 One provider in particular whom I'm sure will chime on here claiming he is is harmless is one he favors & has started a business with. Her & her boyfriend have started a client database where all your information is stored. I screened with he with employment & I was not fond of discovering all of my information is stored - stored in the hands of a perp who has already had serious contact with police.    
     
     
 I have met with over 8 providers who use he as their scheduler and all but two have had horrible story's & have been treated like they are only money to him. Something needs to be done here - most of the providers say if they fire him he will retaliate & write false reviews to ruin their business & not hand over their ad accounts also hack their emails. Another gal I met said he wanted full service and she will barter have her incall paid for. She declined & experienced a huge decline in business & harassment. These girls will not get any business if he is upset with them. It's disheartening and wrong. If you have been a victim of him do not be scared to leave.    
     
 There is much more to be said I cannot remember every last thing I was informed - however what I can remember is sickening. He seems great - easy to verify but what goes on behind the scenes is horrendous & needs to be put to a stop.    
   
 

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Roxanne, I have seen you a few times. We will have to somewhat agree to disagree on this. I am not convicting Em, and I am not endorsing the allegations.  But I HAVE talked to a NUMBER  of  girls  who  work  for Em. Over the years I have heard similar stories from a couple of these ladies. This was their personal experience. I heard eerily similar experiences how they were initiated into they hobby.... demonstrating skills and being put to the test. And stories of follow-ups where new pics were taken or rent collection.  There was no reason for them to lie to me during those separate conversations. As I wrote elsewhere in this thread, an abuser does not abuse everyone. An abuser is an opportunist and will prey on the vulnerabilities of the victim.

Since I'm not in P4P to mainly talk to the ladies about their troubles, I don't know as much as others.  

But I do talk with them a little and have heard enough as well, here and there from various girls, and find the complaints troublesome.  

I also don't like how they're "recruited" into the industry.  

I'm not going to pass on what I've heard on this as everyone can go see the girls, talk about how they got started, whether they use a scheduler or DIY, if they know Em, and so on.

Whether any, all, or none of these allegations are true, we all have to do our own due diligence and counsel and do what we think is right. But I will say that where there's smoke, there's often something else as well

Wow… I’m just floored by this post.   Nor do I believe it in any way… The interne tis an easy place for people to make accusations and hide with no proof, and many times people will believe what is said without nay backing so I feel obligated to challenge this post… not only for EM, but for the people that use EM.

I have over 40 reviews on TER and am a member of P411 and some other sites…  I feel I have been vetted and feel I’m very honest in post, reviews and blogs, even pride myself on it.   I’ve been using EM’s services for meetings for some time.   2-3 years I believe.  On top of that, many of the other schedulers I’ve come across either used to work for EM, or know EM very very well.   Making verification more solid and easier… And Em will validate a schedule I come across also, so helps me feel more secure also.  

So on that note, over the years I’ve seen 20+ girls that use EM, Em has made is very clear that girls are their own person; they choose what is available and rate…  EM simple can provide advice and schedule… but has zero say in anything else.   When meeting the girls, I’ve yet to come across a single complaint from the girls regarding EM.  All of them say very easy to work with, many say best scheduler they ever worked with…  Some girls work at a location that is managed by a person, who then uses EM to schedule… but again EM has nothing to do with location, just does the scheduling … I’ve seen some girls who move around, jump from one location to another… but stay with EM… there are many options out there… and many names changing all the time… but they decide to stay with same scheduler… hard to believe they would choose to stay with a monster… maybe because it’s untrue..

My guess is this post started with someone who tried to skirt the system, got caught by EM and was dropped…  this is their way to try to get back at him, making up BS because they have nothing else.

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Nice chest pounding. I can double your numbers. Have over 80 reviews. Seen well over 40 of Em's  girls for a long time. Big deal. And unlike many, I write honest and objective reviews regardless who the girl is, whom she works for, or what other reviewers have written. Big deal. What does any of that have to do with the subject matter?  

Your argument seems to contradict what other apologists have written. Why would a girl be dropped for skating the system? Seems to me that Em wouldn't care based on what others have written.

Do you think every scout, alter boy, or student was abused? Do you think every scout leader, priest, or teacher is an abuser? My answers: no and no.  So why are you quick to call BS?   Ever owed Em rent?  Ever had to demonstrate your sensual massage  skills for Em? Ever had to pose for pics for Em?  Ever think maybe there are some pics that could be used for less - than - honest purposes ? Ever even seen Em in person?  Unless  you've  answered yes to the preceding  questions, maybe you shouldn't  be so quick to call BS. You weren't there. Neither was I. It's not like we were all somewhere and something happened and we all have somewhat different  stories.

You have reviews under other names as well?

Posted By: jpsflash
Wow… I’m just floored by this post.   Nor do I believe it in any way… The interne tis an easy place for people to make accusations and hide with no proof, and many times people will believe what is said without nay backing so I feel obligated to challenge this post… not only for EM, but for the people that use EM.  
   
 I have over 40 reviews on TER and am a member of P411 and some other sites…  I feel I have been vetted and feel I’m very honest in post, reviews and blogs, even pride myself on it.   I’ve been using EM’s services for meetings for some time.   2-3 years I believe.  On top of that, many of the other schedulers I’ve come across either used to work for EM, or know EM very very well.   Making verification more solid and easier… And Em will validate a schedule I come across also, so helps me feel more secure also.    
   
 So on that note, over the years I’ve seen 20+ girls that use EM, Em has made is very clear that girls are their own person; they choose what is available and rate…  EM simple can provide advice and schedule… but has zero say in anything else.   When meeting the girls, I’ve yet to come across a single complaint from the girls regarding EM.  All of them say very easy to work with, many say best scheduler they ever worked with…  Some girls work at a location that is managed by a person, who then uses EM to schedule… but again EM has nothing to do with location, just does the scheduling … I’ve seen some girls who move around, jump from one location to another… but stay with EM… there are many options out there… and many names changing all the time… but they decide to stay with same scheduler… hard to believe they would choose to stay with a monster… maybe because it’s untrue..  
   
 My guess is this post started with someone who tried to skirt the system, got caught by EM and was dropped…  this is their way to try to get back at him, making up BS because they have nothing else.

First, an assistant requiring employment info for screening is inconsistent with the assertion that providers are "only money" to that assistant. If that were the case, why go to the trouble to require that level of verification?

Second, no one should ever provide info for screening if he or she is uncomfortable giving out that info.  In that case, move on to a provider who doesn't require that kind of info.  Consider that the screening info is not just in the hands of the screener and/or provider, but is also in emails used to communicate with the screener or provider.  How secure are those emails?

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No-one will believe them - I have heard this a couple of times. That it would be pointless to seek help/speak up due to Ems "great" reputation. His white knights will chime in & so will he under different username he uses to write false reviews.  

People are hurting - I have no reason to lie I deeply care for others.  

I hope that this message will reach many & please just leave - it's ok to reinvent yourself if need be. There are people who will support you.  

Also - some of these studios use Em as their screened making it impossible for the gal to work there without using him. There are studio managers whom down talk him as well from what I hear. But him and his system is what they seek. Like stated above its all about money.

... is true. Which means that several women have stopped working with Em and have been injured--mentally, career-wise, financially--by Em as a result.  

If true... why are they not coming forward here to support your story?  What do they have to fear?  What else could Em do to them beyond what he is accused of already doing?  Why haven't they reached out directly to other providers working with Em to warn them and appeal to them for help?  Why haven't more hobbyists, many of whom have worked with Em and providers who have used his services (including some who have chosen to stop working with Em) for years, heard about these same terrible things and stepped forward to support your story--even under an alias?  Could it be that everyone else, except you, is lying and doesn't care at all about all the women who are reportedly being abused?

Have you or the providers involved reported Em's "false reviews" to TER Admin?  If not, why not?

Can you understand why it's difficult to take accusations like these--which include very serious charges like rape and trafficking--at face value when they are delivered second- or third-hand by an alias who has no posting history before yesterday?  And by someone who says he deeply cares for others but apparently hasn't done anything to report these very serious matters to the authorities?  And the accusations have been challenged by several people, providers and hobbyists, who have worked with Em for years and ARE known in our community?

Do you see why many people would like more facts, more evidence, before they are going to believe the charges you've made here?

Posted By: 007hmbhg
No-one will believe them - I have heard this a couple of times. That it would be pointless to seek help/speak up due to Ems "great" reputation. His white knights will chime in & so will he under different username he uses to write false reviews.  
   
 People are hurting - I have no reason to lie I deeply care for others.  
   
 I hope that this message will reach many & please just leave - it's ok to reinvent yourself if need be. There are people who will support you.  
   
 Also - some of these studios use Em as their screened making it impossible for the gal to work there without using him. There are studio managers whom down talk him as well from what I hear. But him and his system is what they seek. Like stated above its all about money.

They are scared. Of LE just as much as Em.

Can't really go to the police and say all this when the girls are a part of this.....

Posted By: knotsaway
... is true. Which means that several women have stopped working with Em and have been injured--mentally, career-wise, financially--by Em as a result.  
   
 If true... why are they not coming forward here to support your story?  What do they have to fear?  What else could Em do to them beyond what he is accused of already doing?  Why haven't they reached out directly to other providers working with Em to warn them and appeal to them for help?  Why haven't more hobbyists, many of whom have worked with Em and providers who have used his services (including some who have chosen to stop working with Em) for years, heard about these same terrible things and stepped forward to support your story--even under an alias?  Could it be that everyone else, except you, is lying and doesn't care at all about all the women who are reportedly being abused?  
   
 Have you or the providers involved reported Em's "false reviews" to TER Admin?  If not, why not?  
   
 Can you understand why it's difficult to take accusations like these--which include very serious charges like rape and trafficking--at face value when they are delivered second- or third-hand by an alias who has no posting history before yesterday?  And by someone who says he deeply cares for others but apparently hasn't done anything to report these very serious matters to the authorities?  And the accusations have been challenged by several people, providers and hobbyists, who have worked with Em for years and ARE known in our community?  
   
 Do you see why many people would like more facts, more evidence, before they are going to believe the charges you've made here?  
   
Posted By: 007hmbhg
No-one will believe them - I have heard this a couple of times. That it would be pointless to seek help/speak up due to Ems "great" reputation. His white knights will chime in & so will he under different username he uses to write false reviews.    
     
  People are hurting - I have no reason to lie I deeply care for others.    
     
  I hope that this message will reach many & please just leave - it's ok to reinvent yourself if need be. There are people who will support you.    
     
  Also - some of these studios use Em as their screened making it impossible for the gal to work there without using him. There are studio managers whom down talk him as well from what I hear. But him and his system is what they seek. Like stated above its all about money.

... of my questions.  I asked several questions. How about the others?

As for being too scared to go to police, and despite the girls who are involved... apparently the OP and others have already done that, according to a later post by the OP

Yes they can go to LE.  Providers are no longer seen as the criminal but the victim.

Getting the pop corns out.

Its one of those "a first time for everything" moments for you huh... So instead of voicing your thoughts- you're  cool w/sitting back & watching it all unfold, ok I get that & for this I agree....
A topic such as this -only the facts matter, well that's my opinion anyway

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Is there a hole in the bottom?  :)

Using an alias immediately leads me to question your credibility right off the bat. If you are sure of your accusations you should have no problem whatsoever taking full responsibility for what you are presenting to readers here.

The only "fact" you've posted is that Em is a male. That is no secret to us. Everything else is strictly hearsay. Aka, gossip.  

I have no clue who you are or what your intentions are in posting this but until you identify yourself & these ladies (victims) come forward with some "real" evidence these allegations are true I am going to assume this post is nothing more than another example of the "phone game" that seems to take place a lot here.

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Use of an alias is common practice in such matters.  In criminal complaints an accuser of sexual misconduct is rarely identified. Identity has no bearings on the facts.  

You are correct that these are only allegations and hearsay.  I'd be more interested in learning  the details than identity.

Two people I have met and trust have defended Em. I have worked with Em and been very happy. The ladies I have met through Em don't seem to be in distress.

I don't know the poster.

I am no "White Knight", just a hobbyist that has been doing this in Mpls. for a while. The current facts don't support your assertions, at this time. If more info comes to light, I will revise my opinion.

Finally, we don't need extra drama. If you know that a crime has been committed, talk to LE, not us.

You you just have rumors, please keep them to yourself. This Hobby is tough enough, no need to make it tougher.

I agree with Riley, and have not found cause, though I have had my eyes and ears open, to think otherwise.

If a lady I know says otherwise, I might think again.  
But there is never anything to be gained by listening to aliases of undetermined gender.  (Though I would invite them to use the restroom of their choice)

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Majority know nothing about TER. A few are brand new and barely know what boards are. I'm backing off the thread due to work & can reply tomorrow. There's nothing wrong with trying to help. Contacting LE has already been done before posting here. Not only by me but a few others.

I worked with Em for over a year and a half and found the experience to mutually benifical and positive. I started booking my own appointments in December and Em was beyond helpful and supportive in helping me through the transition process. I have never once found her to be greedy, vindictive or controling.  

It's unfortunate that a person would take the time to write such derogatory statements, and then fail to proofread and run a basic spell/grammar check before posting.

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....yes, the OP was riddled with errors that made it difficult  to  read. But that doesn't negate the message. I could pick apart nearly every post for a variety  of grammatical errors - even my own - but  is that what this is about?

It has been well established  here that Em is a guy. Do we need to name him? (No.) Yet you propagate the myth that Em is a female by writing you, "...never once found her to be greedy...."

I write this with no intention of indicting,  condemning, or convicting Em and with no intention of promoting the allegations. I have exchanged a number of very friendly emails with Em over the years. Lots of well wishes and "how's it going?" Or whom do you have working today? I have no idea who the OP is. But as I wrote earlier today, I have heard similar stories from girls who do not know each other and actually work/worked in the hobby at different times. Peculiar that women who don't  know each other would share such similar stories with some very similar and specific details.  

My point is this: Every abuser does not abuse everyone. Every robber does not rob everyone. Every rapist does not rape every woman.  Get the picture? They prey on their victims and find those who are vulnerable and exploit those vulnerabilities. And they choose the opportune time to act.  How often have you seen a news report of a crime, and they interview the family, friends, or neighbors about the perp, and they are just shocked? Perhaps someone you know has done something that shocked you.  Heck.....  to everyone reading this, would your wife, hubby, SO, children, family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc. be surprised or shocked that if they not only knew you were in the hobby but knew what you do in the hobby and how frequently?

Without knowing specifics (people, times, places), and we never will in this forum, perhaps all we can do is hope that if inappropriate conduct is taking place, the person responsible will feel the pressure to stop. Whether that transgression is committing a physical impropriety or making a false allegation.  Both charges are serious and can really destroy a person's life.

If you have a complaint or a problem with this individual speak in facts and not rumors.I have used this service (him or her who cares) and not had any problem.

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Of course you wouldn't  have a problem  with him. Your relationship with him is nowhere near the same. He has no leverage over you. Doesn't need to collect rent and doesn't control your schedule (i.e., income).  In fact, it is he who needs you. He needs your money.  You don't interact with him in person

The problem with this post is reporting second hand information as fact. To trash someone's reputation by making allegations, where you are not an injured party is a stretch. I don't believe we resolve disputes or grievances in real life in this manner.

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Outing? No - the response in my inbox is enormous. Girls who will not post public due to fear & or being over the situation. 11 have reached out & even more clients - that speaks volumes. Providers who have been hurt emotionally or dealt with his bull. I will not continue to debate with anyone. I know the truth & others do as well. I will continue in every way to make it known & to help those in need

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Quite often issues of this nature ARE brought out by third parties because the offended party is too embarrassed  or afraid to make the claim.  Isn't that the reason  we always tell people to tell someone? Tell a friend

...by someone using an alias, especially information that could potentially harm another's source of income, is never credible nor reliable.

So if what you are saying about use of an alias, and hurting someone potential income.
When  a DA presents a case in court, and is using a UC or CI  information, they will not divulge the name of the UC identity, nor a CI. yet often parties are criminally charged, which leads to a conviction of the charged individual. Correct ?

That conviction has damaged the ability of the convicted persons income earnings correct ?

What is different here in this case ?  
If this mysterious individual, who has been identified as EM has good standing with you, then by all means continue to utilize him / her.
However, at the same time, if others such as OTB are providing information that is worth taking into consideration, then allow them to communicate their information, and let the chips fall where they may.

And WTH is it with this distortion of a posters handle ? child like behavior on your part does not earn you any points on the creditability scale.  

 

 

Posted By: Drumsticks
...by someone using an alias, especially information that could potentially harm another's source of income, is never credible nor reliable.

...the rest of your post makes no sense. You sayin' that the DA's gonna try me for postin' nuthin' but the trooth on this board?! For Real Crackuh??!!

NO, don't misinterpret the post, I compared what you said in your post, against that of what often happens in a court room.
In your post, it was stated that making false allegations against someone can hurt / damage their
present and future potential income. I agree with this statement.  

However, in the post, it is further pointed out, for the potential of someone who is not providing creditable information, due to use of an alias. In this statement, I provided a comparison between what you state, and what has been accepted / practiced in a court of law. It is not about you getting charged, but rather You are judging the OPs creditability.

As I stated, I am playing devils advocate, and in doing so, I am questioning your statement, that those who use an alias, and make allegations, should be disregarded ?  
Yet you post with an alias, and expect to be deemed as creditable in the same breath ? Huh ?

As for the distortion, Exactly ! the Alias, or posting handle, of another poster, was distorted by you, as a measure of contempt ?  
I merely point out, That in doing so, you shall more than likely not gain points on the creditability scale for having behaved in such a manner, ( my view, it is uncalled for )  

For the sake of argument, I have utilized your post, as a vehicle in which to point out all the grey area within the entire big picture.
Who is right ? Who should be considered accurate in dispensing information ? Who is EM ?
Who uses EM services, What danger is EM to those who hobby ? Providers and gents alike.  

The board exists, to dispense information, the OP has dispensed information, and in doing so, opened up an avenue for discussion of the subject matter. Can any of the naysayers disprove the OP ?  
That is the real question at this time.  

 

 

Posted By: Drumsticks
...the rest of your post makes no sense. You sayin' that the DA's gonna try me for postin' nuthin' but the trooth on this board?! For Real Crackuh??!!

wait...before I continue I need to go get more beer...honestly, and cigarettes.  This should be fun!  See you soon drummie and fellow turds!

loveyourtouch500 reads

Here we go again...  just because one uses an alias s/he cannot be believed.  That is such crap.  Some people have sticks up their ass to think that and think they are king of the board and protector of the ladies.  There are plenty of reasons for a person to use an alias.  Plenty.  And this is one of them.

Oh....  and sure as I am writing this, the name on your DL and passport, and SS Card, bank accounts all show the name Dumsticks, right?  Good grief.  Excuse me for using an extra fake name for my fake name.

The fact that your handle is already an alias is why it is fair to question why someone is using yet another alias.  The answer is they don't want their regular handle known.  Why?  Yes, it is possible the alias user want to avoid retaliation.  It's also quite possible that the alias user is intentionally causing trouble because they have an axe to grind with the person   How to decide?  All we have to go on is the history of the poster.  In this case, nothing.  From what I've seen in my time here, that's a strong sign of someone with an axe to grind.

loveyourtouch500 reads

But when others provide similar information, it's fairly reasonable to think there's maybe something to it.

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1to1networker488 reads

All accusers have an axe to grind.

loveyourtouch460 reads

"All accusers have an axe to grind. "

So if someone punches you in the face and you report it, are you grinding an axe?

If this is how you think, then all I can say is that some axe grinding is needed.  Must be some pretty sharp axes out there unless you think all accusations are unwarranted.

...name, a board handle, a board alias and the significance each has to one's identity. I'm sorry you've chosen to champion this ignorance. And, I'm flummoxed at your feeling of inferiority toward me. King of the Board?!  I really don't post very much compared to many others so that's not possible. Protector of the Ladies? Thank you. I don't believe you when you say that and I know you don't believe yourself when you say that but I do have a tendency to act like a gentleman. God knows that there are very few women who bother to post on this board anymore because of people like you who choose to denigrate rather than encourage their participation. You don't make this board better by your participation.

I am so glad I'm not like you but I do find joy in diversity so, keep on with your hating ways!  :)

loveyourtouch584 reads

It is YOU who shows ignorance and and the inability to understand what is written and to think.  No wonder you are easily flummoxed.  So let me take this very slowly, point by point for you:

1.  I am well aware of the difference between a handle and an alias.  BFD.  Change them around and what's the difference.  You act as if you handle is your real identity, and it is not.  THAT is my point.  You see, I prefer anonymity. Very few providers, and I mean very few, know me by my handle, and none know me by my alias.  If you let providers know you by your handle, fine.  I don't care.

2.  I feel no inferiority toward you or anyone else in here. Again, the critical message eludes you.  I find it funny that you, et. al. THINK they are kings and queens of this board. It is not that I think you are.....  YOU think you are by the way you write and belittle and denigrate others because they don't have "X" number of reviews or haven't been around long enough.  I don't give one shit about any of that.

3.  To whom do you at like a gentleman?  Always rushing to the aid of a perceived damsel in distress so you can polish a purple helmeted gladiator of love?  

4.  Perhaps the REAL reason few women post in here any more is because of people like YOU who denigrate the OP of this thread and side with a select few you know and like.  You sure don't appear neutral here, so why would any women other than the 5-card flush want to chime in?

5.  You contribute nothing more than ass kissing to a select few.  Does that make your chest puff and stroke your ego.

6.  As always, when you can't win the argument with FACTS, you resort to name calling.  No hatred spewing from here.  In fact, I have received NUMEROUS PMs THANKING ME for writing what I do because they are TIRED of the same WKs kissing the same asses over and over and looking down their noses at anyone who's not part of the clique.

7.  If you were a REAL gentleman, wouldn't you be more neutral here and not take sides when such an important topic is posted by the OP?  Or does being a gentleman selective?  I.e, it only matters how you treat certain women?  If you took the time to actually read all of my posts to this thread, you'd have read that I wrote many times that I am neither convicting Em nor promoting the OP's allegations.  Despite having heard similar allegations from other women, who do not know each other, over the course of months (years?), I made it clear that since I do not know the OP or the details of the situation(s) noted in her post, I am remaining neutral in this case.

8.  It's obvious you do NOT enjoy diversity because all you can do is attack people who disagree with you.  That's hardly accepting other points of view.  That's far from diversity.  But maybe in this little world in which your live seems to exist.  For me this is a side show that is really getting old and boring fast.  

To be sure, I am glad I am not like you, too.  Keep riding that horse, WK.  You are indeed a purple helmeted gladiator of love

...name, a board handle, a board alias and the significance each has to one's identity. I'm sorry you've chosen to champion this ignorance. And, I'm flummoxed at your feeling of inferiority toward me. King of the Board?!  I really don't post very much compared to many others so that's not possible. Protector of the Ladies? Thank you. I don't believe you when you say that and I know you don't believe yourself when you say that but I do have a tendency to act like a gentleman. God knows that there are very few women who bother to post on this board anymore because of people like you who choose to denigrate rather than encourage their participation. You don't make this board better by your participation.  
 
I am so glad I'm not like you but I do find joy in diversity so, keep on with your hating ways!  :

Come on now everyone knows there's only one King of the Board...It's (NOT ME)...

About all you contributed here.

Posted By: Drumsticks
...it from another you've been messing around...

-- Modified on 5/21/2016 5:56:09 AM

I have never used one and won't give out personal info. The choice here is the aggrieved party should be making the complaints. The logic here is if the alleged victims are protecting the alleged abuser, the problem never gets resolved. As the old saying goes, don't believe anything you hear, and half of what you see.

loveyourtouch503 reads

I tend to believe the info I personally see and can process using my own experience and intuition.

Impossible for the problem to be resolved in here.

1to1networker727 reads

007hmbhg,

I have heard rumors about various players in the hobby. Some are true and some are not. In my own experience the more awful the act, the more accurate. Please reveal as much as you can about what you think you know. If something happened to you, then share that as fact. What is hearsay, state as hearsay. Just because it did not happen to you, does not make it inaccurate, but preface it with hearsay.  

We all hear things in sessions as everyone tends to get comfortable with each other. It's this back channel info I have found helpful in my exploits. From what I've read in posts on TER, we all revile two things: underage exploitation and pimps. I would like to know if I'm going to be involved in either of these activities, and I will accept hearsay about this.  

Since this 'Em' person is not a provider and anonymous, any and all information seems relevant (and allowable on TER). He is a parasite in the business, not a party in any transaction. I would appreciate if someone would list all the providers he handles. It fits with sharing information like cash n dash, bait and switch, and LE. I would like to avoid every provider that this dude profits from. Schedulers are great for busy professionals and it really helps keep work going. We as hobbyist have a right to know if our information is going to a consolidator. We know p411 does this and we make conscious choice when signing up. None of us agree to this guy holding our information until / unless we know who he works for

You have no reviews and no board history before you started this thread.  This is a pattern we've seen many times before over the years, where someone appears suddenly and makes various accusations against someone else.  The question then becomes who to believe.  I put very little to no stock in someone with your lack of history.  And no one I see in this thread who does have a significant history has agreed with you.

Umm, Vorlon, FYI.
There is an individual who has a significant posting history on this board, OTB.
In his response, he has stated, that he has second hand information, of the allegations made by the OP.

It's not very specific.  I've heard stories about how some providers were recruited into the business as well and some of those practices can be very deceitful and/or brutal.  If OTB is referring to Em, it's certainly not clear that his source is any different than the OPs.  We are still left with a claim from someone never heard from before.

Perhaps OTB will clear that up for us.

-- Modified on 5/21/2016 11:48:33 PM

Everyone can cum to their own conclusions based on their own research rather than hearsay, etc.  

I'll only say that I agree with the OP on some things.

Posted By: vorlon
It's not very specific.  I've heard stories about how some providers were recruited into the business as well and some of those practices can be very deceitful and/or brutal.  If OTB is referring to Em, it's certainly not clear that his source is any different than the OPs.  We are still left with a claim from someone never heard from before.  
   
 Perhaps OTB will clear that up for us.

-- Modified on 5/21/2016 11:48:33 PM

loveyourtouch507 reads

So what is this? The Senate of the Roman Empire?   YOU will decide who is credible or not based on how many posts they have or their tenure here? That is just effing ridiculous.

Sorry, but this king of the board shit really gets old.  Ever occur to you that maybe someone with an alias has been around for a while?  I wrote early on in this thread that I know who Em is.  I know personally a few girls who told me similar stories months apart.  They do not know each other yet they had details that were eerily the same.  Also, as I wrote earlier, I am not convicting Em or promoting the allegations of the OP because I do not know the details here.  But where I come from, sure is close to probable cause....   just saying.   But if you're too blinded because of some bullshit pecking order on this board, then so be it.

And according to them the last of the Roman Empire collapsed in 1453.  So, I feel it is safe to say this is not the Roman Empire Senate.

In fact it is a discussion board.  You are free to post your your view and I am free to post mine, so long as TER doesn't decide we have crossed their lines about what is acceptable.  I don't decide whose credible; I presented my view on who is credible and why.  That is a vast difference.  Do me the courtesy of reading and responding  what I actually type, not some other version you created that you can twist so you can make a personal attack on me that has nothing to due with the issue at hand.

Quite frankly, the argument you make is a worn out one made dozens of times before, usually by people using aliases and trying to come up with some reason why they should be believed when they make controversial accusations.  They can't justify these claims but somehow we are just supposed to accept them.  I'm not willing to do that, that's my decision, and I will post to that effect.  You and everyone else are completely free to come to different conclusions if you want.

There are consequences to using an alias, regardless of why someone chooses to do so.  The reasons may be good ones or they may be BS but once that choice is made, all the information that might be available under the poster's regular handle is not available to the most of us.  So they can claim to have dozens of reviews and thousands of posts under their real handle but whether that is true or not is unknown.

In situations like this, hard fact are very hard to come by and all we have to go one is what is posted under the alias.  The OP offers nothing substantial, just an accusation made against someone that to the best of my knowledge has a good reputation.  And your arguments in this thread are little more than repeated assertions that various things are possible, which is a very different thing from them actually being true or even likely.

loveyourtouch391 reads

You had to check Wikipedia to learn that the Roman Empire no longer exists?  The metaphor obviously eluded you.  (Wikipedia that and see if what I wrote makes sense.)

Isn't your "view" on who is credible that same as whom you think is credible?  And again, I hate to beat a dead horse (Wikipedia idiom), but you continue to resort to name calling.  So if someone uses an alias in here, which is akin to using a fake name for a fake name, then the person is not credible.  That's one of my points. YOU and YOUR ILK (Wikipedia that) just can't seem to fathom that a person or a posting doesn't require some special name or approval to be true.  What if my alias and handle were reversed?  Would that give any more credence to what I write?  Nope.  You people are so hung up on fake names in a secretive hobby. And heaven forbid if someone actually brings a substantive issue to the board but doesn't have the right credentials. (Name/tenure.)

Consequences for using an alias?  Really?  What are you going to do? Blacklist me?  I really don't give a shit what you think.  Read what you wrote and count the number of times you wrote about someone not being credible because they use an alias.  You are fixated on that.  

And how well do you REALLY know this person who has a good reputation?  Were you there???  I wasn't there.  But since I have heard very similar stories from different women, frankly, that leads me to believe there is something more going on.  And I KNOW those ladies REAL names....  not just their handle or stage name.  I think that is credible.

1.  The Wikipedia thing was sarcasm.  I'm sure you've heard of it.

2.  Yes, my view of who is credible is who I think is credible.  It would odd if it wasn't.

3.  I don't believe I've called you or anyone else names.  I've been highly critical of what the OP posted and of what you have posted but that is not the same thing as calling someone names.

4.  Yes it is possible that the OP's first post is true.  You keep arguing about possible as though that is all that is needed.  It's not.  Again, possible is not the same thing as true or even likely.  Nothing I consider to be substantive has been presented.  If something I consider substantive is posted then I'll reconsider my position.  And just so there is no confusion here, this is just my view; everyone else will make up their own mind.

5.  If someone posted under a new handle and made similar accusations, I would give those accusations no more weight than I would the ones the OP made here.  It's possible (there's that word again) that someone could primarily use their alias and only occasionally use their handle.  But I don't believe it makes any difference; it still comes down to why we should or should not believe the accuser when there is a lack of hard evidence, which is so often the case.  For me, the poster's history counts a great deal in such situations.

6.  I have no issue with having substantive issues being brought to the board.  The question here is what is the substantive issue?  Is it the OP's accusations?  Or is it the OP's pursuing a personal vendetta against Em?

7.  Spare me your hyperbole about the consequences comment.  Even if I could, why would I want to blacklist you?  It makes no sense.  I suspect you understand quite well that the consequences I referred to was the increased chance others won't believe your post under certain circumstances, such as the ones here.

8.  Yes, I have often posted about my view on aliases and when I think they lack credibility.  And I will continue to do so.  But given how hard and often you have argued your view in just this thread alone I'd say that if I have a fixation that I'm not the only one.

9.  In fact, I would go so far as to say that you've run into the issue of people questioning the credibility of aliases at least a few times before given how worked up about this you are.  After all, people of my ilk are everywhere.

10.  Of course I wasn't there for any of these alleged wrongdoings.  So it's perfectly possible (there's that word again) that my belief in his good reputation is wrong.  As far as I know, I've only dealt with him once.  I didn't come away with a strong opinion one way or the other.  But people's whose opinions I do believe are credible think well of him.  In the absence of something more substantive to the contrary, it's the best data I have.

11.  I hardly expect you to find your own view on the matter not credible.  That doesn't mean I find your view credible.  Yes, I know you don't care what I think.  I never thought you did.

007hmbhg628 reads

You speak highly of Em your "favourite scheduler" in nearly every single review. Interesting - I'll leave the rest up to the public to see where I'm coming from.  

As I know - Em actually sees some women still. Thus the reasons for just a few he reviewed without a scheduler

OP...early riser as I am...I happened to see your "original post" the other day and it was far more interesting.  I keep re-reading it vs the discussion so far.  You can feel free to reach out if you want.  I have no interest other than interest.  Vet me.  Spank me.  I have a case of beer, two packs of smokes, I'm here all night.

007hmbhg472 reads

Yes I had to edit beyond belief lol. I have not replied to any private messages due to the unknown if my handle will be uncovered.  

Posted By: Wongbater
OP...early riser as I am...I happened to see your "original post" the other day and it was far more interesting.  I keep re-reading it vs the discussion so far.  You can feel free to reach out if you want.  I have no interest other than interest.  Vet me.  Spank me.  I have a case of beer, two packs of smokes, I'm here all night.

... that question. It's easy for you to find out who they are, just as I did. Have you tried asking them this question, to find the truth?  Or do you prefer to toss questions like this out there to see what (or who) they hit, without doing basic research to get to the truth?

JFK, Jimmy Hoffa, Area 51, ... all mysteries, all never going to get "solved" or get everyone to agree/believe.  Just like this shit show.

it's ok if you get some F'in help.

True..... I'm sure the beer is helping you read this!

-- Modified on 5/22/2016 9:47:05 AM

your posts still make half sense fratboy

Then it's not the beer, it's the lack of intelligence.  Sorry to confuse you drunky!!

no balls to accept a response.  Good luck in the future son.  You'll need it.

Thanks!  Yep, it's all about luck!! :-D

Lol... I am not EM nor have I meet EM... He is my go to scheduler and puts up with me....  There are other girls out there and know I'm not EM...  So keep telling your lies...  Do you have any truth in anything you post?  

Posted By: 007hmbhg
You speak highly of Em your "favourite scheduler" in nearly every single review. Interesting - I'll leave the rest up to the public to see where I'm coming from.  
   
 As I know - Em actually sees some women still. Thus the reasons for just a few he reviewed without a scheduler.  
   
   
 

None of them has supported these claims. That's five women. Five.

And they clearly know much more than we do; all have very well-established reputations.

And, maybe you'll agree, they are probably at least a little smarter than average.

Which, maybe you'll agree, is more than can be said for most of this thread.

loveyourtouch659 reads

...doesn't factor into this???  Unbelievable.  So if you're part of the clique, then all's good.   Pretty sad and pathetic that you bow to such people.  Very sad.  

Tell me this:  How would any of those 5 know if Em (or anyone else) did anything to any provider???  Do you think such an act would occur only in the presence of the 5-card flush?  You don't think something would happen ....  oh, I don't know.....  maybe when no one else is around???  But hey...   get the 5-card flush, the WKs, and the clique....  and presto....  they will determine what did or did not happen.   And if you want to play that way, just exactly how credible is a 5-card flush given the hobby where so much is based on deception, half-truths, lies, and closed doors.  

You do know that a great many of body rub providers don't have accounts or even read this board, don't you?  And if some of them came here and agreed with the OP, would you dismiss them, too, because they didn't have some magical number of posts?  I have spoken with many girls who haven't seen their reviews and many who never come in here because of this bullshit.  So because they aren't here to raise their right hand and swear an oath to the WKs and 5-card flush, you assume they don't support the OP's claims.

I stayed off this board for a long time and just came back a few months ago.  A number of you writing to this post remind me how junior high-ish this place can be.  If one's not a WK or part of the clique, you think they're not worthy.  Pathetic.

I know he schedules and screens for many massage gals.
I know that I have had contact with him in regards to references.
I know that, generally, he's been nice in the limited communications I've had with him.

I DO NOT know whether the allegations made are true or not.  I would hope they are not.  I pray they are not.  But, I do not know one way or the other.    

Look, I've been attacked on this board before and accused of things that were not true. It was hurtful, to say the least.     Allegations are just that allegations.  If they are not supported by FACTS, posted by a known and respected handle, or a first-hand experience,  then many board members will dismiss the allegations as being made by a disgruntled hobbyist or provider.   I do not know how you could support your claims with facts but I wish you could.   I can appreciate and understand why providers with first-hand knowledge would be afraid to post but that would help too.  Perhaps there is a way they could step forward but remain anonymous to this board

...and WKs and clique.  Nothing much impartial about that invective is there?

All I am saying is that if a credible voice says something, then there will be something to go on.  And the nearest thing to a credible voice that we have at the moment are the women with established personas who have spoken up.  And they are much more likely to have an idea of what is true than the rest of us.

If other women come here and say otherwise of course I won't dismiss them.  
And I'm pretty sure the "5 card flush" (stupid nickname) wouldn't dismiss them either.

loveyourtouch372 reads

Impartial seems to be quite evident here. Hardly an invective cupcake.

And it is exactly YOU and the people you mention that will be the arbiters of who is credible and what is credible.  That is the point of my writings, but it obviously eludes you because of the bias.  It falls on blind eyes.

Let me ask you this:  What, exactly, is the credibility of the 5-card flush when it comes THIS particular situation??  So if they are treated well by Em, EVERYONE is treated well?  Do yo not think that just maybe Em could take advantage of someone when no one else is around?  That's what I find perplexing in this situation.  As I wrote before: it's not a case where 15 people were in a room, something happened, and there are 15 different versions of what happened.  How the hell would you, the WKs, the clique, or the flush know what Em did with someone BCD??  Answer:  you wouldn't have a clue! So how the hell would the flush have more of an idea what happened?!?!?!  THEY WEREN'T THERE!!! Do you get that???  So how would they know?

And once again....  there's the term "established."  Yep....  if you're not one of us, what you say is meaningless.  What a crock that is.

5-card flush.  Appropriate and funny according to the PMs I've received.  So I guess it's only stupid to the "established," huh?

1to1networker592 reads

I know these providers did at one time too: Whitney Cohen, Almond Joy.  

Trinity
Leigh Ann
Roxanne
Belinda  
Jennessa
Whitney Cohen
Almond Joy

Please cut and paste and add to the list. If you are on the list and do not use Em, then speak up and remove yourself.  


-- Modified on 5/22/2016 4:50:42 AM

It is amazing that your list is so short for someone in the know.
On top of that more than one of the ladies on your short list is not with EM so you are now potentially causing damage to the lively hood of more than one not associated with your target.
READY -- SHOOT --AIM

1to1networker468 reads

Not claiming to be in the know, actually the opposite. My goal is to compile a list of providers that use this guy. Agencies and P411 hold our personal data and we know that when we book. This guy seems to be holding our data and we don't know which providers he is linked to. No harm in revealing who the providers are so we can all make informed choices whether we want to visit them. As I said, if a provider does not use this guy, then certainly correct the list.

probably every massage scheduler uses the same system right!?  You know how hard it is to change the name at the bottom of an email right!?  That list more than likely contains 95% of massage providers that use a scheduler.I am sure there are a rare few that don't but IF this is a problem, it should be pretty easy to fix.  See ONLY self scheduled providers.

We contact them???

I don't really know...
Is there something in their ads saying 'I schedule for myself '?

Posted By: takingmytime
probably every massage scheduler uses the same system right!?  You know how hard it is to change the name at the bottom of an email right!?  That list more than likely contains 95% of massage providers that use a scheduler.I am sure there are a rare few that don't but IF this is a problem, it should be pretty easy to fix.  See ONLY self scheduled providers.

Jenessa Skye now uses Cindy?

Posted By: 1to1networker
I know these providers did at one time too: Whitney Cohen, Almond Joy.  
   
 Trinity  
 Leigh Ann  
 Roxanne  
 Belinda    
 Jennessa  
 Whitney Cohen  
 Almond Joy  
   
 Please cut and paste and add to the list. If you are on the list and do not use Em, then speak up and remove yourself.  
 

-- Modified on 5/22/2016 4:50:42 AM

I've shared a few emails with him doing reference checks but that's about it.

Leigh-Ann has never worked with Em. She is as I independent as they come!  
 

Posted By: 1to1networker
I know these providers did at one time too: Whitney Cohen, Almond Joy.  
   
 Trinity  
 Leigh Ann  
 Roxanne  
 Belinda    
 Jennessa  
 Whitney Cohen  
 Almond Joy  
   
 Please cut and paste and add to the list. If you are on the list and do not use Em, then speak up and remove yourself.  
 

-- Modified on 5/22/2016 4:50:42 AM

Replying for Ms. Chayse?

Posted By: AndreaDavis
 
 Leigh-Ann has never worked with Em. She is as I independent as they come!  
   
   
Posted By: 1to1networker
I know these providers did at one time too: Whitney Cohen, Almond Joy.    
     
  Trinity  
  Leigh Ann  
  Roxanne  
  Belinda    
  Jennessa  
  Whitney Cohen  
  Almond Joy  
     
  Please cut and paste and add to the list. If you are on the list and do not use Em, then speak up and remove yourself.    
   
   
 -- Modified on 5/22/2016 4:50:42 AM

I replied because he never said that other ladies couldn't speak up about the list. I didn't think that I was doing anything wrong. I am sorry if I offended you in some way by letting people know that she doesn't have a scheduler.  

Have a blessed evening.

Andrea  

Posted By: OldTimerB
Replying for Ms. Chayse?  
   
Posted By: AndreaDavis
 
  Leigh-Ann has never worked with Em. She is as I independent as they come!    
     
     
Posted By: 1to1networker
I know these providers did at one time too: Whitney Cohen, Almond Joy.    
       
   Trinity    
   Leigh Ann    
   Roxanne    
   Belinda      
   Jennessa    
   Whitney Cohen    
   Almond Joy    
       
   Please cut and paste and add to the list. If you are on the list and do not use Em, then speak up and remove yourself.    
     
     
  -- Modified on 5/22/2016 4:50:42 AM

loveyourtouch324 reads

But dim might be a little too bright.  maybe 1/4 watt.

loveyourtouch347 reads

...of himself, and his posts don't come across that way.  Unlike you and other WKs, OTB doesn't resort to name calling and chest thumping.  Nice try at diversion.  Wish I could ignore you, but your posts humor me.

letters if they don't recognize there is one and only one king of the board.  Personally, I have Drummie currently #3 on my do not trust a thing he says crew.  Power couple rounds out the top of the pops...there's a few other's that couldn't quite manipulate their way into getting into the medal winners but they sure do continue to try...

No apologies necessary.

Posted By: AndreaDavis
I replied because he never said that other ladies couldn't speak up about the list. I didn't think that I was doing anything wrong. I am sorry if I offended you in some way by letting people know that she doesn't have a scheduler.  
   
 Have a blessed evening.  
   
 Andrea  
   
Posted By: OldTimerB
Replying for Ms. Chayse?  
     
Posted By: AndreaDavis
   
   Leigh-Ann has never worked with Em. She is as I independent as they come!    
       
       
   
Posted By: 1to1networker
I know these providers did at one time too: Whitney Cohen, Almond Joy.      
         
    Trinity    
    Leigh Ann    
    Roxanne    
    Belinda      
    Jennessa    
    Whitney Cohen    
    Almond Joy    
         
    Please cut and paste and add to the list. If you are on the list and do not use Em, then speak up and remove yourself.      
       
       
   -- Modified on 5/22/2016 4:50:42 AM

007hmbhg555 reads

During sessions - purposefully?

Lockstock.  

Posted By: lockstock
None of them has supported these claims. That's five women. Five.  
   
 And they clearly know much more than we do; all have very well-established reputations.  
   
 And, maybe you'll agree, they are probably at least a little smarter than average.  
   
 Which, maybe you'll agree, is more than can be said for most of this thread.

"Pulls off condoms during sessions?" -- that's a lie.  More interesting than the lie is how deep you are into all this shit, and the level of your vitriol.  Wonder who you are to be so angry and what I or anyone else have done to offend you?  

But let's not miss the main chance.  Don't let it get away. You have said that I pull off condoms during sessions.  You have the chance to present your evidence right here.  If you do, I promise to respond as completely as I can.  If you don't, we can just assume that the rest of your postings are as libelous and inaccurate as this accusation.  Go for it.

-- Modified on 5/22/2016 4:44:36 PM

Well of course you pull off condoms...when you're done! We all do. Otherwise, we'd have however number of condoms stuck on our dicks!

gloving little wong because I don't want him to catch a cold...think "the boy in the bubble".

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she prove right here, right now, that you pull of condoms?  Short of a video, that can't be proven.  So she said he said.   Hmmmm....

Suppose everything you say is true.  The question becomes "what is the best way to stop it"?

DEVILS ADVOCATE

1) Talk to LE.  They take trafficking, rape and they LOVE THIS LAST ONE TAX EVASION very seriously.  We generally hear about these things on the news pretty quickly.  You say 1 or more has done this, but why have we heard nothing?  LE loves to bang on their chest about such busts! Stings ect.  They have their own website for it!

2) This is ALL about the money.  Fact at the end of the day after all the appointments are set and completed WHO has the money?  Last I checked the GIRLS get the money not the scheduler.  Based on the type of business we are talking about it shed a different light on things.  So the money is in the girls hands now what?  She has a scheduler to pay, a linen company possibly, the rent possibly could be all to the same person BUT it has to be paid.  How often does this happen?  Once a week, Bi-weekly, monthly?  How hard would it be to put said scheduler under?  Scheduling is just time, but some costs are fixed and if he does not get paid then it all collapses right?  So if the ladies are as plentiful as you say, they should be talking with the rest of the ladies to get out and set up on their own, they do in fact HAVE the money!

3) Talk to long time ladies, they have seen it all and can help newbies out, I have heard it many many times!  Some ladies are VERY protective of what they have and would LOVE to see the newbies fail.  But many are VERY much into safety first and don't look at every girls as taking money out of their pocket.  Seek them out and they WILL help!

4) Talk to all the hobbyists you know with YOUR REAL entity with reviews and get them all to STOP USING SCHEDULERS!  They most likely are all the same or at minimum using the same system.  The key is credibility here.

REALITY.

When people have more money in their hands then they are used to, they spend first and think later!  So do I think the scenarios you mention happen?  Yes!  All but the rape part.  Not thinking the scheduler rapes the girls it would not be advantageous if that got out, and it would fast!  As for the start up interview training part, probably happens but seriously.  if you have been to see any number of these girls you are going to know for fact that training is NOTHING to depend on but it happens in EVERY massage business I have ever heard of legit or otherwise.  Creepy or not it exists.

So the end of the week, bi-week, month comes and the bills need to be paid.  Uh oh she spent the money on whatever...can we make a deal is asked or maybe we can work this out is offered.  I don't doubt it for a second that this happens.

Just like cash and dash, the no show, the girl that spends more time texting than rubbing, the girl that does not like old guys or the one that does not like young guys.  It is a business filled with issues and some things are unsavory.  The best way to fix them is by the help of your peers.  Guys tell other guys when gals don't hold up their end.  Ladies talk to other ladies when guys are bad news.  Ladies stick together and get rid of those that use you!

What if some longtime ladies are part of the "bad guy's group"?  
In this post, that would be Em and his real and fake names.

You often read IRL kidnappings, rapes, etc. that there is a male AND female partner. I'm not saying that is the case here but still, what if...?

Posted By: takingmytime
Suppose everything you say is true.  The question becomes "what is the best way to stop it"?  
   
 DEVILS ADVOCATE  
   
 1) Talk to LE.  They take trafficking, rape and they LOVE THIS LAST ONE TAX EVASION very seriously.  We generally hear about these things on the news pretty quickly.  You say 1 or more has done this, but why have we heard nothing?  LE loves to bang on their chest about such busts! Stings ect.  They have their own website for it!  
   
 2) This is ALL about the money.  Fact at the end of the day after all the appointments are set and completed WHO has the money?  Last I checked the GIRLS get the money not the scheduler.  Based on the type of business we are talking about it shed a different light on things.  So the money is in the girls hands now what?  She has a scheduler to pay, a linen company possibly, the rent possibly could be all to the same person BUT it has to be paid.  How often does this happen?  Once a week, Bi-weekly, monthly?  How hard would it be to put said scheduler under?  Scheduling is just time, but some costs are fixed and if he does not get paid then it all collapses right?  So if the ladies are as plentiful as you say, they should be talking with the rest of the ladies to get out and set up on their own, they do in fact HAVE the money!  
   
 3) Talk to long time ladies, they have seen it all and can help newbies out, I have heard it many many times!  Some ladies are VERY protective of what they have and would LOVE to see the newbies fail.  But many are VERY much into safety first and don't look at every girls as taking money out of their pocket.  Seek them out and they WILL help!  
   
 4) Talk to all the hobbyists you know with YOUR REAL entity with reviews and get them all to STOP USING SCHEDULERS!  They most likely are all the same or at minimum using the same system.  The key is credibility here.  
   
 REALITY.  
   
 When people have more money in their hands then they are used to, they spend first and think later!  So do I think the scenarios you mention happen?  Yes!  All but the rape part.  Not thinking the scheduler rapes the girls it would not be advantageous if that got out, and it would fast!  As for the start up interview training part, probably happens but seriously.  if you have been to see any number of these girls you are going to know for fact that training is NOTHING to depend on but it happens in EVERY massage business I have ever heard of legit or otherwise.  Creepy or not it exists.  
   
 So the end of the week, bi-week, month comes and the bills need to be paid.  Uh oh she spent the money on whatever...can we make a deal is asked or maybe we can work this out is offered.  I don't doubt it for a second that this happens.  
   
 Just like cash and dash, the no show, the girl that spends more time texting than rubbing, the girl that does not like old guys or the one that does not like young guys.  It is a business filled with issues and some things are unsavory.  The best way to fix them is by the help of your peers.  Guys tell other guys when gals don't hold up their end.  Ladies talk to other ladies when guys are bad news.  Ladies stick together and get rid of those that use you!    
   
 

was an awesome post grounded in reality.  Thanks for sharing

Thanks for sharing! OTB, you have a fan and someone likes your leather cheerio!! hahaha

I just wanted to chime in on such lies and let everyone know where I stand on this topic!

I started out in this hobby as one of the few EMs.  Yes there are a few of us and only one of us being a male.  So with that being said such accusations are not just being placed upon one person, you are slandering us all.  I had worked alongside Male-Em for months- never was there a time where I had to perform sexual acts, meet up with him for anything other than business, nor did I ever feel like I was degraded in any way.  

I then moved on to being a provider in the hobby.  I can tell you that there is absolutely no way I could have done my massages to my fullest potential without any of the EMs, especially Male-EM.  He guided me, reassured me, was understanding, was punctual, accurate, etc..  I again NEVER had to commit to sexual acts, NEVER felt like I was just a form of money, NEVER felt misled.  I also know many other providers who have hired EM for scheduling services and ALL of them would say the same things.  As far as our businesses run, EM is our lifesaver so we can fulfill the massage needs when on duty and go home to be ourselves after we are done for the day.  

It really hurts my heart to see such false accusations written about a great set of workers who are hired by us providers!  This group of people have made my life less stressful and efficient.  I would hate to see what Karma has in store for 007.  This is just rude and disheartening.  

Side note- if Male-EM was sooo horrible I can guarantee you I would not be back scheduling as EM for these wonderful providers who have chosen to simplify their lives by hiring us :)

Thank you. All of this is breaking my heart because it's just further evidence that the hobby has changed and not in a positive direction.  

The internet has created the ability to have different personas where people can ruin others with being a troll, false accusations and review others because they're having a bad day I.e. Yelp.  

All I wanted was the ability to have a life outside of work. Now with all this shenanigans, it's almost like you guys are telling me  I should feel terrible for having a friend manage my books. For instance if most of you knew Em was a guy during one of the email exchange, you wouldn't have taken the chance to see me. It's kinda ignorant, don't you think?

Heavy sigh. I'm done. I'm checking out now because this isn't contributing to my life positively at all.  

I wish you all the best and hopefully me defending my friend doesn't hurt future sessions

I knew that long before I ever saw you the first time.
It is not a secret to many out there that EM is not a female.

By the way you are a very beautiful and accommodating lady!


-- Modified on 5/23/2016 3:50:35 PM

I recall when the Bill Cosby scandal broke.  Most rushed to his defense.  It seemed impossible to them. Many knew and worked with him.  Many still defend him.  They ask -- why didn't you come forward?  Why didn't you go to the police?  You are liars!

I personally have no clue if Bill Cosby did anything wrong.  It is interesting how all the same type of statements and counter-statements made in the Cosby scandal have re-appeared here.  It's highly possible that everyone in the Cosby scandal is telling the truth (not counting Bill) -- that he was a great public man, that he was, on some occasions, privately evil.

There is no way for me to sort out the claims here in any objective manner.  But I will say that from a subjective point of view, anyone calling someone a liar about things they personally didn't witness really turns me off.  

Some can say they had a great working relationship to Bill Cosby.  That's their truth.  But to call people liars who say that Bill Cosby raped them -- well, they weren't there, their testimony in that regard is not valid.

So to be totally objective, only state the nature of observed dealings (yours or a confidant's.)  Do not testify about incidents without witnesses

Very well said LP.

First hand experience only...

Can't say NO providers or ALL providers but only All/None of MY personal experiences or interactions...
 

Posted By: lester_prairie
I recall when the Bill Cosby scandal broke.  Most rushed to his defense.  It seemed impossible to them. Many knew and worked with him.  Many still defend him.  They ask -- why didn't you come forward?  Why didn't you go to the police?  You are liars!  
   
 I personally have no clue if Bill Cosby did anything wrong.  It is interesting how all the same type of statements and counter-statements made in the Cosby scandal have re-appeared here.  It's highly possible that everyone in the Cosby scandal is telling the truth (not counting Bill) -- that he was a great public man, that he was, on some occasions, privately evil.  
   
 There is no way for me to sort out the claims here in any objective manner.  But I will say that from a subjective point of view, anyone calling someone a liar about things they personally didn't witness really turns me off.    
   
 Some can say they had a great working relationship to Bill Cosby.  That's their truth.  But to call people liars who say that Bill Cosby raped them -- well, they weren't there, their testimony in that regard is not valid.  
   
 So to be totally objective, only state the nature of observed dealings (yours or a confidant's.)  Do not testify about incidents without witnesses.  
   
   
 

atch the ESPN Duke lacrosse 30 for 30.  Not to take sides in regards to this, but to show how "stories" can change, people can make HUGE mistakes, and don't be too quick to judge.  

Plus it's just an interesting show

... between this thread and the Cosby affair is that many women who had first-hand knowledge of what happened came forward publicly with their stories.  And then serious action was taken against Cosby.    

In this case, the first hand accounts we've seen so far don't support the accusations.  We as of yet have no first-hand corroboration of the evil things Male-Em is said to have done. Yes, I've read the excuses... fear of retribution, no access to TER etc.  I'm sorry, but they don't pass muster.  It's very easy to become a TER member and post here.  If aliases are needed to protect providers who wish to give their stories, those are easily obtained also.

How do we (all of us here) know how many of these e-mails, by providers AND aliases both, are controlled and answered by "Em" on this thread???

Personally, I have zero clue and this is way above my pay grade so...

For example, we may never truly know the motives of the OP.  They may be pure... or not.  

However, there are some people involved in this thread whom I do trust.  I trust them because they've earned my trust over several years of personal interaction with them.  I've never met Male-Em.  But I know some people who know him very well and who I think are excellent judges of character.  

That's not foolproof.  It's not perfect knowledge--if there is such a thing. But it's a lot better than knowing absolutely nothing about a person, his character, his trustworthiness, and his motives.

Posted By: 007hmbhg
 
 The assistant  says he is a female he is a male.  
     
 He will schedule girls to see blacklisted clients and not care about their well being - girls have been raped, physically harmed etc. Em is so money hungry he will schedule the next girl to see the predator. E favors providers he likes by getting uncovered services and starting businesses with them.    
     
     
 One provider in particular whom I'm sure will chime on here claiming he is is harmless is one he favors & has started a business with. Her & her boyfriend have started a client database where all your information is stored. I screened with he with employment & I was not fond of discovering all of my information is stored - stored in the hands of a perp who has already had serious contact with police.    
     
     
 I have met with over 8 providers who use he as their scheduler and all but two have had horrible story's & have been treated like they are only money to him. Something needs to be done here - most of the providers say if they fire him he will retaliate & write false reviews to ruin their business & not hand over their ad accounts also hack their emails. Another gal I met said he wanted full service and she will barter have her incall paid for. She declined & experienced a huge decline in business & harassment. These girls will not get any business if he is upset with them. It's disheartening and wrong. If you have been a victim of him do not be scared to leave.    
     
 There is much more to be said I cannot remember every last thing I was informed - however what I can remember is sickening. He seems great - easy to verify but what goes on behind the scenes is horrendous & needs to be put to a stop.    
   
 

Too bad TER does not allow them to be posted here any more.

that by (his or her) persistence that the OP has an ax to grind, I would never decide on a persons guilt or innocence on rumor or insinuation.

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