I wouldn't normally subject the good people here to watch a segment from MSNBC, but this was absolutely astounding.
When it comes to prostitution, you won't often find liberals and Democrats arguing in favor of legalizing it. And you will almost never see them arguing for it's legalization (or decriminalization) on prime time television. And you will certainly almost never see your standard feminist who opposes it's legalization debate this issue with someone who does, and see their arguments for keeping it illegal, totally crumble, point by point.
Grab some popcorn, and sit back and enjoy this.
"IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!"
As soon as "cash" is totally eradicated or is made 100% traceable with every transaction being automatically reported to the Treasury(IRS) prostitution will be decriminalized/legalized. Religious institutions that for centuries have vehemently ministered and professed against prostitution will turn a blind moral eye just as the Vatican did with the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition and the Nazis, and as the Puritans did with their witch hunts. Every illegal form of commerce is so because the money is not or cannot be fully controlled and taxed.
The legal brothels in Nevada are closely regulated and every transaction is “taxed”. Prostitution is “legal”; but only when done within the abilities of the government to tax it. A prostitute who works legally in a Nevada brothel is not legally allowed to practice her craft clandestinely from her home.
The historic immorality of Prostitution is a smokescreen. Neither Church nor State gives a rat’s ass about the good or bad stemming from the world’s oldest profession. Church and State are only concerned with governance over the people, and money has historically proved the greatest tool for and of governance
an 100% traceable currency, in an economy built on the eradication of vice activity.
Your treatise is hard to follow.
There are a lot of women within the feminist ranks that oppose prostitution, because doing so makes it easier for them to control male sexuality.
You already see feminists outright demonize male sexuality. But for your average soccer mom, sex is often a device used to control their husbands. Withhold sex, and you can more easily control the behavior of men. Keeping prostitution illegal is simply an ends to those means. After all, if prostitution becomes legal, then those soccer moms will have a harder time controlling their husbands, and bending them to their will, if they without sex. A man who finds himself in that situation can legally just go get it elsewhere.
So here, we can see that for some feminists, the goal isn't the safety and well-being of women, but to control male sexuality in order to make it easier to suppress the free will of men.
I am lost as to your position on?... I'm not even sure what your topic is, to form a position.
You already see feminists outright demonize male sexuality. But for your average soccer mom, sex is often a device used to control their husbands. Withhold sex, and you can more easily control the behavior of men. Keeping prostitution illegal is simply an ends to those means. After all, if prostitution becomes legal, then those soccer moms will have a harder time controlling their husbands, and bending them to their will, if they without sex. A man who finds himself in that situation can legally just go get it elsewhere.
So here, we can see that for some feminists, the goal isn't the safety and well-being of women, but to control male sexuality in order to make it easier to suppress the free will of men.
Soccer moms are the driving force behind keeping prostitution illegal, not because they done' want other women "exploited" but because if their husbands could get laid at will, they would no longer allow their wives to control them. Sounds like a pretty simple concept to me.
FWIW in countries dominated by the Church, like almost every country in Latin America, prostitution is perfectly legal and co exists with the Church quite nicely. I think everybody here knows my opinion about religion in general and the church in specific, but they aren't the biggest problem here, it is as Willy said, it's the feminazis
I believe that's why the church exists in the first place, so they can turn a profit.
"Soccer moms are the driving force behind keeping prostitution illegal, not because they done' want other women "exploited" but because if their husbands could get laid at will, they would no longer allow their wives to control them."
What? Sounds like you are saying, if married men could have sex with other women. Their wives would no longer be able to control them.
What would these men do with their newly found freedom?
... as you, and willy hinted at. a traditional marriage, recognized by the church. Would most likely allow a husband to be an adulterer.
Atheist should become more religious, for the sake of prostitution
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Well, when prostitutes have to hide from cops for fear of being arrested, they'll likely not ask for help out of being trafficked from the ones who are to "serve and protect". Legalization like in Oz and Germany has not decreased trafficking. However, decriminalization with no punishment for the prostitute like in New Zealand, trafficking has decreased. (Are y'all proofnazis here, do I need to find a link?")
If prostitution were decriminalized, women and girls could almost fearlessly go the authorities for help. I say almost fearlessly because rape culture and the "what did you expect?" and the "you were asking for it" train of thought might be enough to keep women and girls away. But, rape culture and victim shaming/blaming is a whole 'nother topic that will get me too riled up before bed, and I won't be able to go to work tomorrow. LOL
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a big fat known liar in particular.
In your case I think most reasonable people will stipulate to what you state about the link between decriminalization and a "reduction" in human trafficking. I spend a lot of my time in countries where prostitution is legal and pimps stand out here like a sore thumb, as they are easy to spot and shun when everything and everybody are out in the open.
HAHAHAH I've seen that driving through certain neighborhoods in Atlanta despite it being illegal here.
But, I can see how it would be even more in places where it is legal. In your personal experience, in your travels, have you noticed any big differences between where prostitution is legal and where it is decriminalized?
This subject is very new to me, and coming from a religious background (not now, obviously lol), it is fascinating to see the other point of view, which is now my point of view.
In your case I think most reasonable people will stipulate to what you state about the link between decriminalization and a "reduction" in human trafficking. I spend a lot of my time in countries where prostitution is legal and pimps stand out here like a sore thumb, as they are easy to spot and shun when everything and everybody are out in the open.
where prostitution is completely legal, but pimping is not. I have seen maybe three pimps in the several hundred days and nights I have spent here. All were asked to leave, two rather politely, the third who fancied himself a tough guy got tuned up pretty good by the security guards here, None of them have ever been seen around here again.
Yes, decriminalization is a huge step in protecting the women who choose sex work as a living. By comparison, I've lost track of the number of pimps I've seen on E Ponce or Metropolitan Ave.
Oops I just now caught the real question you asked me, forgive me but it's St Patty's day and I have had a couple. lol
Truth be told, there isn't much difference between decriminalization and legalization anywhere else but the US where we have the highly regulated brothels in Nevada. I would have to say although the Libertarian in me would like to say decriminalization is preferable, I have actually come to appreciate a few rules and regulations that come with legalization, not using Nevada as a template of course, which is a horrible example of how to do things.
In Costa Rica for example, which is where I happen to be at the moment, the ladies are required to get health cards, if they ever catch an STD obviously their card is revoked and they are out of work until they can produce a clean bill of health. also prostitutes are required to check in at the front desk of most hotels before going up to the room of a client and their ID is held until they leave, this protects both client and provider alike. The guys are protected from "trick rolling" and the ladies have recourse if a client doesn't want to pay, it is not uncommon for a provider to threaten to call the police if a client wants to stiff her for her fee. No need for pimps, the police will respond and are pretty even handed in who's word they take.
All in all the system works pretty damn well IMO, a hell of a lot better than what we have in the states.
Something to think about in regard to health cards is that if a lady's card is revoked and she is not able to be cured, then essentially she is forced into unsafe prostitution where she will not be protected by police. She is not "out of work", but she is out of safe work. I digress, it is morally wrong to knowingly have a STD and have sex with people. However, more regulation in this industry forces women into unsafe conditions should she not be compliant. One could argue that she ought to be compliant, and yes, it is a valid point. Regulation is still a slippery slope. One example is Australia. Certain states ban BBBJ, only CBJ allowed. Well, if Miss Jenny is the only girl in her brothel following the CBJ rule and it gets around, she's going to miss out on clients and possibly feel obligated to break the CBJ-only rule. If she gets caught and fired, can she find work in another brothel whilst having a reputation for being a regulation breaker? I'm not sure. Furthermore, regulation always has a way of rearing its ugly head where it doesn't belong. You, as a libertarian already know that. 
I don't drive on E Ponce much except occasionally to pick up something from my day-job's main office. But, the two-stars on Mountain Industrial are much the same. Glad I found Hotwire!
Dumb question....what is "trick rolling"?
Yes, decriminalization is a huge step in protecting the women who choose sex work as a living. By comparison, I've lost track of the number of pimps I've seen on E Ponce or Metropolitan Ave.
Oops I just now caught the real question you asked me, forgive me but it's St Patty's day and I have had a couple. lol
Truth be told, there isn't much difference between decriminalization and legalization anywhere else but the US where we have the highly regulated brothels in Nevada. I would have to say although the Libertarian in me would like to say decriminalization is preferable, I have actually come to appreciate a few rules and regulations that come with legalization, not using Nevada as a template of course, which is a horrible example of how to do things.
In Costa Rica for example, which is where I happen to be at the moment, the ladies are required to get health cards, if they ever catch an STD obviously their card is revoked and they are out of work until they can produce a clean bill of health. also prostitutes are required to check in at the front desk of most hotels before going up to the room of a client and their ID is held until they leave, this protects both client and provider alike. The guys are protected from "trick rolling" and the ladies have recourse if a client doesn't want to pay, it is not uncommon for a provider to threaten to call the police if a client wants to stiff her for her fee. No need for pimps, the police will respond and are pretty even handed in who's word they take.
All in all the system works pretty damn well IMO, a hell of a lot better than what we have in the states.
any woman who is forced into "unsafe sex work" in places like Costa Rica will also take a huge financial hit. It is a privilege to work at someplace like the Del Rey where a hot chica can make up to several hundred dollars a day in a country where the average pay is less than a grand a month. There are other places in the underbelly of the city just like there is in any major city, but if a woman wants a chance to make any real money she better take care of herself. There always has to be a "carrot and a stick" with any law, and there is no perfect solution, but rewarding the safe and punishing the "unsafe" seems like a good start to me.
The difference between most of Latin America and place that you mention is that there are no banned "acts" it's only the results that mater. They don't have "sex police" that check for compliance, but catch something and you are out of work until you are healthy. I don't know if that's a perfect system, but it makes more sense than any other solution I can think of. Do you have a better idea?
Trick rolling is the practice of "rolling" or robbing a john, also known as a "trick" hence the term "trick rolling"
Sorry about the late reply. I don't know enough about the industry and the effects to come up with a better solution. The health card seems like a great idea on the surface. Is there a fee to obtain said health card? How much do the STD tests cost her? I'm curious if there are women who skip the tests/card not because they are diseased but because they can't afford it. I'm guessing those women are probably not many, but it still makes me wonder if less successful (broke), but healthy women are forced into more dangerous conditions under the radar.
The difference between most of Latin America and place that you mention is that there are no banned "acts" it's only the results that mater. They don't have "sex police" that check for compliance, but catch something and you are out of work until you are healthy. I don't know if that's a perfect system, but it makes more sense than any other solution I can think of. Do you have a better idea?
Trick rolling is the practice of "rolling" or robbing a john, also known as a "trick" hence the term "trick rolling"
AZ is on the forefront of the fake exploitation argument. There is a professor at ASU who rolls out tons of false information on how all sex workers are exploited and there are tons of "the children" to save. She collects grant money from the churches and moralistic idiots who think they are helping out.
So let's look at the financial benefits: Scottsdale recently passed a law requiring an Escort license. But forgot to print up the forms to apply for one. They have to keep detailed records, and failure to provide them is a big no-no. Scottsdale has the highest per-capita cost of LE in the area. They had been racking up huge fines with DUI arrests (fines end up well north of $5000, and spread all over the LE system), but arrests have dropped because more people were utilizing alternative transportation when drinking. Last year, 1 of 6 people in the county were arrested for DUI. But numbers dropped, especially in Scottsdale.
So now Scottsdale has to come with more income to make up for the short fall. And it happens that the former mayor of Scottsdale's husband just gets caught with a provider! So now, it's 15 days mandatory jail time, huge fines, and now the county is pursuing RICO charges. Have a booker, or driver, or someone answering your phone? Felony Conspiracy charges and you're a criminal enterprise.
Prove that your house, your car, your bank account, your property was not the product of ill-gotten gains. Good luck with that.
So then the babtists get involved. Project Rose, where you either get sent to Church Jail, or Tent City. They get paid $ per head, so they have a strong financial reason to not legitimatize sexual freedom, and let's DEFINITELY not ask the catholic church how they feel about that one! Undergo a magical conversion, and you are HEALED!
Like Watergate. Want the answers, follow the money trail