What would be the difference between a pimp and an agency?
Q. If you know someone is being pimped, would you still schedule appointment with them
Yes, there was something a bit off about the situation
and give us the story of your experience. That's what we are here for
Yeah, I thought about whether to review, but all I was going to say is basically summed up in Talon's original comments and all her other reviews. And I'm usually too lazy to write anything most of the time
...Talking real quiet so I can hardly hear, seeming really spacey and out of it. I didn't get an idea that there was a pimp involved, but it was weird enough that I probably wouldn't repeat anyway.
I probably chalk this up somewhat to my preferences shifting towards 30-40 yr old providers vs the 20-30 year olds I sought after in younger years. I definitely prefer independent ladies who schedule themselves, but will go through a scheduler as a second option. I don't use agencies or go to AMP places any more either.
I don't blame you for the review lazies. I get that too. And there's also that pest that stalks me on the reviews I post trying to get what he can't get...I digress...it's still all about the third letter in the acronym of this site. R. No real reviews and we might as well all hang it up and let everyone go out of b'ness.
Not sure if others can call or contact them for her though. If there is a pimp, then she might not have access to this.
There is a "want out? National free help line24/7" on 'that' page if you look.
The # is (800)551-1300.
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on the phone trying to straighten out my bill w/ Verizon last month. FML
I don't know whom your talking about but the way you described the situation yes she is being pimped or worse she has a boyfriend basically limping her very common or got sucked into a gang and has one of those phoney gang banger families that's the worst .Anyway this goes on a lot more than guys realize many young gals get sucked in and hard to get out especially if they have a baby daddy he will be around forever sucking the life out of her.
Back ground info, all this from a trusted friend, and I have seen most of the text messages.
My friend has seen her numerous times and he knows her well, and I showed him the various posting by
'her" here on TER, and he's convinced it's not her writing. Also, at various time the bf/pimp will interrupt the session when it goes beyond allotted time. FWIW, my friend has stopped seeing her after he suspected she was being trafficked. As anyone of you who has seen her, at times her voice is incredible low almost whispering quiet. Do you not ever wonder why she's so quiet?? My friend says, because her bf/pimp was listening to the session.
As far as I'm concerned pimps are the lowest form of human being. Yet you still see how their lifestyle is romanticized on tv and in the movies. It's slavery pure and simple.
Absolutely not . As far as I'm concerned need to be on the receiving end of a 12 inch dildo. No holes spared. Same group as child molesters. Romanticized by the thug culture BS that tolerated. Think guns make them powerful. Just scared shitbags. . And some of them are probably reading this. That's why I stopped seeing a group that raised my suspiscions. Let's just say standing room only.
And the penalties for it need to be much more severe.
If I know someone is being pimped, I'll gather all the info I can on her and contact Children of the Night. No way in hell I would continue to schedule with her. I would also get on the board and warn everyone. There's no room for that kind of bullshit in our happy world.
I would not see her again and I would gather everything I could to give to CotN. The people who enjoy this hobby as consenting adults, should be the responsible ones to fight against the seedy side.
What would be the difference between a pimp and an agency?
Being forced vs choosing to be in the profession in many cases.
I mean how would an outsider know the difference.
Some agencies IMHO. They work their escorts too hard and take too much of the money the ladies make. But making that distinction is difficult.
I worked in a totally legal sweatshop years ago. It was the same thing...we were worked too hard for too little money.
Re this hobby, some agencies are way better than others. Good benefits, loyal employees, etc.
I don't think the agencies assault their employees as opposed to the pimp who might resort to violence to keep his "girls" in line.
daytime tv. If a bf is even profiting from prostitution its against the law and wrong but we all probably contributed to that including you without knowing about it
Not much I can add to the thread that hasn't been written, but I agree with all so far. We're in the hobby as CONSENTING adults. Pimps, traffickers, and those who engage minors should be dealt with severely. Kudos to all who stated they would help. Please do so.
...the PimP was Snoop Dogg . So obviously NO!
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Dictionary.com defines "pimp" as:
"a person, especially a man, who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings; pander; procurer."
Notice there's nothing about coercion there. I know many providers who, by that definition, have pimps. These pimps solicit customers, e.g. via web ads and sometimes emails, and share in the earnings. But I think these providers would use a term like "scheduler" or "assistant" rather than pimp.
Now, if coercion were involved, then no way I'd support that enterprise. My only support would be to the providers to get away from the pimps; there were some good ideas on how to help in some posts above. I also don't use agencies, because of the risk that there's coercion or other kind of mistreatment of providers. I'm not saying every agency mistreats providers, but I don't know what's going on behind the scenes so I'm not going to take that chance.
Back many years ago, I was friends with a provider who pimped out other females.
In short, she would offer her services to other young women, as a manager / scheduler of sorts.
I will refer to her a K
She took a certain percentage of whatever the total fee was, and she also scheduled, and provided the incall location for the parties involved.
She explained to me one time, of how she was able to prevent the " managed providers from ripping her off". The girls would either attempt to short K, or they would try to steal the client, by doing a back deal, and K did not care about the back deal, or stealing a client, cause she said the girl and client were free to do as they pleased, Just as long as K was able to collect on the provided in call rent, and any management fee she had coming.
If you can believe it, it was common place for these girls, to attempt to screw over K and when they did so, and were caught, then the relationship ended right then and there.
Often the providers, would come back begging K to manage them again, and just like clock work, they would give into temptation somewhere down the line and try to short K out of her share. and then to the curb they went!
You see, K had been a provider at one time, and then got into scheduling for others, and then developed a business mind, to manage the providers if so desired.
There were never any force or intimidation involved, and a girl could walk at any time.
K often would vet the new girls, by approaching existing clients, and giving the client a deep discount, or some sort of arrangement was made.
( smile ) K had a couple of new girls approach me, and seduce me, and then K got first hand knowledge of the try out, from both parties, at the time, I was not aware of the game that K was playing out on me, LOL but eventually she told me, with a big laugh, and at first I was pissed, but then I got over it, but boy did she have the wool pulled over my eyes.
K was a neighbor of mine, when I was a young teen, and I was quite familiar with K and her husband, and that is where I learned about the world of prostitution, and of catty women, and drug addicts, and thives, and so on so forth.
So, as is pointed out by another poster, the meaning of Pimp, and yes K was a pimp or madame
or whore manager. But she treated the girls nice, I seen some girls come to K that were an absolute mess, strung out on drugs and so on, and K spend a lot of time attempting to help these girls out. and also steered a few minors out of the trade as well. And a few got knocked up, and back then abortion was illegal, and K had a friend of a friend, who was a doctor, so K had the girls take a vacation to somewhere, and presto, no more baby issue, and no back ally crap as well.
so it is difficult to judge someone such as K, as a Pimp, because she cared about the girls, and no doubt, she cared about making money as well, but she was able to put the 2 together, and it worked for her, and for the other parties as well.
But she's not what I think of as a pimp and I would not schedule with anyone I thought had a pimp.
now we have big business dudes behind masquerading as mama sans via email. Not difficult is it? And the clients McLove it because they can schedule 95% of the next generation of dick tease artisans in a few mouse clicks. You know it V, just don't have the sack to talk about it publicly like some of us do.
No, because what comes along with the provider you have been discussing is a threat to me. When I know with enough credible evidence that a provider has warrants, pending court cases, a monkey on her back, a bf with all of that as well, someone that's holding, nope not going to hang with that pile of liability. Risk just made any reward completely disappear.
Furthermore, when it comes to pimping, and the buzz word that starts with a capital T, some form of it exists w/ the bf model Talon brought to light, the agency that arranges foreign women who can barely speak English, and our own local big scheduling syndicate that charges (from the last quote I heard) astronomical house fees that make it literally not logical for a woman to do the FBSM thing anymore. Seriously, that's why it's a revolving door of liability for us all as these broke jaded girls cycle in and out, in and out. The "owners" of commercial providing are greedy fucks that will in tandem bring the downfall of the local hobby world. Quote me on that after it happens.
There's a few great quality indy providers out there. There's a few great quality screener/schedulers out there. There is also an ad board out there where you can find horror and also find great new indy friends if you know what you are looking for.
At the end of the day, all the white knights on here wouldn't drop a dime to a help organization if they really came across a provider who was truly in a bad situation. Don't imagine they would, they won't even stand up on the board when they see the baloney so why would they do something courageous? Am I right Talon?
I agree with the many points that you raise in regard to visiting with a pimped provider. Its like where there is smoke, there is fire, and who wants to get a serious burn, over a bit of pleasure.
Furthermore, when it comes to pimping, and the buzz word that starts with a capital T, some form of it exists w/ the bf model Talon brought to light, the agency that arranges foreign women who can barely speak English, and our own local big scheduling syndicate that charges (from the last quote I heard) astronomical house fees that make it literally not logical for a woman to do the FBSM thing anymore. Seriously, that's why it's a revolving door of liability for us all as these broke jaded girls cycle in and out, in and out. The "owners" of commercial providing are greedy fucks that will in tandem bring the downfall of the local hobby world. Quote me on that after it happens.
There's a few great quality indy providers out there. There's a few great quality screener/schedulers out there. There is also an ad board out there where you can find horror and also find great new indy friends if you know what you are looking for.
At the end of the day, all the white knights on here wouldn't drop a dime to a help organization if they really came across a provider who was truly in a bad situation. Don't imagine they would, they won't even stand up on the board when they see the baloney so why would they do something courageous? Am I right Talon?