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Markets usually correct/there are other options
Stickythong 592 reads
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I see a lot of price increases and followed, in many cases, by decreases when the phone stops ringing. You can't blame a girl for trying but the market will eventually correct. This tends to be a slower time for the P4P business. Christmas bills are coming in for the guys. After a few quiet days a new compensation model will be considered.

While I can afford most every provider, I simply refuse to pay over a certain level. If you want to, be my guest.

There are other options if you have any level of game. Civies that give it away, SA's and SB's that offer a much better value for your dollar. I just got back from Desire where I sexed with four different women in five nights. Didn't pay and they actually wanted me in them.

Markets have done well for the last several years. Yet the benefits have gone to a small percentage of the population. I doubt the average guy has directly gained all that much from the recent bull market. His retirement accounts may have nice gains, but money in the pocket not so much.

 
 
Posted By: sweetman
My local area is one of the most economically challenged in the country.  This used to translate into lower costs for everything, including time spent with an escort. Admittedly it was years ago, but rates in the $200/hour range were fairly common.  Visiting ladies would often charge less than their normal rate from their big cities back home, in recognition of the realities of this market.  And locals starting out would usually start out in the $200-$250 range. Some would go up to $300 and stay there permanently. Now there's little in that price range. Newbies are starting out at $350 and most established providers want $400. And two of my ATFs charge $500 with no discounts for multiples or multiple hours. Yikes! It's a quick trip to the poorhouse if I let my little head do the thinking.    
   
 I hasten to add that as a businessman and a hobbyist I truly believe the ladies should charge whatever the market can bear, and more power to them! If hobbying has become more expensive, in absolute as well as relative terms, then so be it.  It's just that the rate increases I've observed seem to be out of proportion to any real improvement in the economy.  I wonder if you guys see the same thing.

My local area is one of the most economically challenged in the country.  This used to translate into lower costs for everything, including time spent with an escort. Admittedly it was years ago, but rates in the $200/hour range were fairly common.  Visiting ladies would often charge less than their normal rate from their big cities back home, in recognition of the realities of this market.  And locals starting out would usually start out in the $200-$250 range. Some would go up to $300 and stay there permanently. Now there's little in that price range. Newbies are starting out at $350 and most established providers want $400. And two of my ATFs charge $500 with no discounts for multiples or multiple hours. Yikes! It's a quick trip to the poorhouse if I let my little head do the thinking.  

I hasten to add that as a businessman and a hobbyist I truly believe the ladies should charge whatever the market can bear, and more power to them! If hobbying has become more expensive, in absolute as well as relative terms, then so be it.  It's just that the rate increases I've observed seem to be out of proportion to any real improvement in the economy.  I wonder if you guys see the same thing.

That seemed a lot back then.  Overall I don't think a provider charging $500 an hour is excessive. Not sure what their bottom line is after all their overhead but I don't think they peg their services to the rate of inflation.

Posted By: sweetman
My local area is one of the most economically challenged in the country.  This used to translate into lower costs for everything, including time spent with an escort. Admittedly it was years ago, but rates in the $200/hour range were fairly common.  Visiting ladies would often charge less than their normal rate from their big cities back home, in recognition of the realities of this market.  And locals starting out would usually start out in the $200-$250 range. Some would go up to $300 and stay there permanently. Now there's little in that price range. Newbies are starting out at $350 and most established providers want $400. And two of my ATFs charge $500 with no discounts for multiples or multiple hours. Yikes! It's a quick trip to the poorhouse if I let my little head do the thinking.    
   
 I hasten to add that as a businessman and a hobbyist I truly believe the ladies should charge whatever the market can bear, and more power to them! If hobbying has become more expensive, in absolute as well as relative terms, then so be it.  It's just that the rate increases I've observed seem to be out of proportion to any real improvement in the economy.  I wonder if you guys see the same thing.

Advertising gets higher & higher every year. Hotel rates have gone up, not to mention all the little expenses that comes with traveling. Taxie, food ..sometimes internet. The nicer the hotel the more " incidentals " get added to the bill.  

And let's not forget about photography, websites, extra phone, lingerie ect...and last, but not least...paying good old Uncle Sam his cut

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Although you think the economy has not risen a lot, but the stock market has just had a golden bull market since 2009.  Tons of people had made a fortune during the past few years.  If providers can market them at $500 level, it must be supported by hobbyists.  

Posted By: sweetman
My local area is one of the most economically challenged in the country.  This used to translate into lower costs for everything, including time spent with an escort. Admittedly it was years ago, but rates in the $200/hour range were fairly common.  Visiting ladies would often charge less than their normal rate from their big cities back home, in recognition of the realities of this market.  And locals starting out would usually start out in the $200-$250 range. Some would go up to $300 and stay there permanently. Now there's little in that price range. Newbies are starting out at $350 and most established providers want $400. And two of my ATFs charge $500 with no discounts for multiples or multiple hours. Yikes! It's a quick trip to the poorhouse if I let my little head do the thinking.    
   
 I hasten to add that as a businessman and a hobbyist I truly believe the ladies should charge whatever the market can bear, and more power to them! If hobbying has become more expensive, in absolute as well as relative terms, then so be it.  It's just that the rate increases I've observed seem to be out of proportion to any real improvement in the economy.  I wonder if you guys see the same thing.

Stickythong593 reads

I see a lot of price increases and followed, in many cases, by decreases when the phone stops ringing. You can't blame a girl for trying but the market will eventually correct. This tends to be a slower time for the P4P business. Christmas bills are coming in for the guys. After a few quiet days a new compensation model will be considered.

While I can afford most every provider, I simply refuse to pay over a certain level. If you want to, be my guest.

There are other options if you have any level of game. Civies that give it away, SA's and SB's that offer a much better value for your dollar. I just got back from Desire where I sexed with four different women in five nights. Didn't pay and they actually wanted me in them.

Markets have done well for the last several years. Yet the benefits have gone to a small percentage of the population. I doubt the average guy has directly gained all that much from the recent bull market. His retirement accounts may have nice gains, but money in the pocket not so much.

 
 

Posted By: sweetman
My local area is one of the most economically challenged in the country.  This used to translate into lower costs for everything, including time spent with an escort. Admittedly it was years ago, but rates in the $200/hour range were fairly common.  Visiting ladies would often charge less than their normal rate from their big cities back home, in recognition of the realities of this market.  And locals starting out would usually start out in the $200-$250 range. Some would go up to $300 and stay there permanently. Now there's little in that price range. Newbies are starting out at $350 and most established providers want $400. And two of my ATFs charge $500 with no discounts for multiples or multiple hours. Yikes! It's a quick trip to the poorhouse if I let my little head do the thinking.    
   
 I hasten to add that as a businessman and a hobbyist I truly believe the ladies should charge whatever the market can bear, and more power to them! If hobbying has become more expensive, in absolute as well as relative terms, then so be it.  It's just that the rate increases I've observed seem to be out of proportion to any real improvement in the economy.  I wonder if you guys see the same thing.

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As the rates go up so does the quantity and quality of providers. Girls who did not think that $200  per hour was enough for their time are now rethinking their options. College students and young mothers find it hard to work 40 hours a week and only make $10 per hour. Seeing a few clients a week for a few hours solves their money problem. Going rate for a college provider in my area went from $150/200 to $300/400 in just a few years. These are for the most part out of country students; latinas and asians.

Is Desire one of those "all inclusive" resorts?
 

Posted By: Stickythong
I see a lot of price increases and followed, in many cases, by decreases when the phone stops ringing. You can't blame a girl for trying but the market will eventually correct. This tends to be a slower time for the P4P business. Christmas bills are coming in for the guys. After a few quiet days a new compensation model will be considered.  
   
 While I can afford most every provider, I simply refuse to pay over a certain level. If you want to, be my guest.  
   
 There are other options if you have any level of game. Civies that give it away, SA's and SB's that offer a much better value for your dollar. I just got back from Desire where I sexed with four different women in five nights. Didn't pay and they actually wanted me in them.  
   
 Markets have done well for the last several years. Yet the benefits have gone to a small percentage of the population. I doubt the average guy has directly gained all that much from the recent bull market. His retirement accounts may have nice gains, but money in the pocket not so much.  
   
   
   
   
Posted By: sweetman
My local area is one of the most economically challenged in the country.  This used to translate into lower costs for everything, including time spent with an escort. Admittedly it was years ago, but rates in the $200/hour range were fairly common.  Visiting ladies would often charge less than their normal rate from their big cities back home, in recognition of the realities of this market.  And locals starting out would usually start out in the $200-$250 range. Some would go up to $300 and stay there permanently. Now there's little in that price range. Newbies are starting out at $350 and most established providers want $400. And two of my ATFs charge $500 with no discounts for multiples or multiple hours. Yikes! It's a quick trip to the poorhouse if I let my little head do the thinking.    
     
  I hasten to add that as a businessman and a hobbyist I truly believe the ladies should charge whatever the market can bear, and more power to them! If hobbying has become more expensive, in absolute as well as relative terms, then so be it.  It's just that the rate increases I've observed seem to be out of proportion to any real improvement in the economy.  I wonder if you guys see the same thing.

HOTEL RATES  have been increasing as well as one of the Top AD sites, websites hosting ,  ETC

I actually plan on lowering my rates just over the winter months ....
I do agree gentlemen/hobbyist pay good money to see a provider in Boston/New York, but if rate is based on
appearance, performance and reviews,......then you get what you pay for...USUALLY !..LO

Yes, I've noticed that the market there is generally lower priced.  I do need to warm up...

I have paid 600,700 and 800 and what a mistake that has been. At the end of the day providers charge whatever they want and people will pay it or not. After seeing Elite providers I should be charging 1k with the performance level I perform. I felt bad for my SO and I did my homework, so at the end of the day you never know what you will get. I have seen providers at 300 that left my jaw on the ground that's how wonderful they were and sweet. Sometimes i think the more the provider charges the bigger her head is. In my humble opinion.

You make me wish I was in NY Roxy!  I agree that the price often bears no correlation to the service.

It cost money to travel and to look pretty for gents. My price I only change once since I started but you also have to consider what people demand, travel cost and expenses. I personally grandfather in gents that saw me at certain price but some people demand a lot in my humble opinion. Hey I feel you though, i have paid 700 for a provider that wasn't worth 150, so my advice to you is to do your homework. Personally (and my head isn't big) 300-350 for the quality you get with some providers is a bargain.

I've only been hobbying since 2007 and the rates have been fairly steady at 250-350/hr with an occasional 400/hr every now and then.  I also see some visiting ladies want $500/hr but I just move on.  Let's face it, once you get past the price of drive byes is the quality of the experience 100% better?  Even with your ATF?

Posted By: sweetman
My local area is one of the most economically challenged in the country.  This used to translate into lower costs for everything, including time spent with an escort. Admittedly it was years ago, but rates in the $200/hour range were fairly common.  Visiting ladies would often charge less than their normal rate from their big cities back home, in recognition of the realities of this market.  And locals starting out would usually start out in the $200-$250 range. Some would go up to $300 and stay there permanently. Now there's little in that price range. Newbies are starting out at $350 and most established providers want $400. And two of my ATFs charge $500 with no discounts for multiples or multiple hours. Yikes! It's a quick trip to the poorhouse if I let my little head do the thinking.    
   
 I hasten to add that as a businessman and a hobbyist I truly believe the ladies should charge whatever the market can bear, and more power to them! If hobbying has become more expensive, in absolute as well as relative terms, then so be it.  It's just that the rate increases I've observed seem to be out of proportion to any real improvement in the economy.  I wonder if you guys see the same thing.

though i guess i shouldn't use that phrase on this board, sorry.

but yeah, when i started hobbying in los angeles 8 years ago the starting median was 4 and hour, the elite girls were 5 an hour, and the extra extra special girls might ask 6 to 8.

now starting prices are 6!  i'm lucky i have a few atfs that let me stay at the 750 for an hour and a half, but i can't see new ladies for that price now.

but everythings going up except my monthly social security check so i'm screwed lol, only not literally too bad for me.

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