Personally I think we were much better off with "Oriental" as India, Russia et al are NOT part of the "Orient" but technically they are part of Asia.
Oh BTW, Yes I too have slanted eyes, and I imagine I have been rejected for it without ever knowing, but so far I have never had a POT SB tell me specifically she won't see me because I am Asian. And in 40+ years of seeing hookers, I have only had one hooker, well actually her booker as she worked for an agency who wouldn't see me due to my race, and that woman was herself Asian. Not that it matters but she would ONLY see Caucasian guys, No Black, brown, yellow or red, White only. lolIt is a bit ironic, I have seen a few Black South American Chicas, including a couple I met in Colombia who have commented that they were surprised I picked them as most Asian guys they knew didn't go for "negritas" Personally I am color blind where it comes to pussy, I just dropped off one of my newest SB's, a 19 yr old girl of mixed Puerto Rican and Black heritage about an hour ago.
I have been on SA for two months and have found one great sb ( a hot 24 yo asian cutie) after sending out a lot of messages and a number of lunch meetings. However, I am of East Indian ethnicity and I seem to get a low yield in terms of reply from hot young SBs. This is despite offering $400-$600 per date to start. My sense is that SBs have a lot of hang ups about race. Do any of you have any suggestions to improve my yield. Once I meet them I have had good success rate getting them interested but just a very low yield initially in terms of reply.
I have a LOT of PT SB's that don't respond to me, and I have no idea whether or not race has anything to do with it, and NO I am NOT white. Maybe it's YOU and not your race they are not responding to?
I don't mean to be harsh, but playing the race card where it comes to getting laid is pretty fucking lame. I don't give two fucks, or even half a fuck if it is true. There are a lot of non white guys getting laid. You ask for suggestions, my suggestion is to quit blaming the color of your skin or where your ancestors were born and focus on things you can actually control and THEN "maybe" the rest of us can think of a few ways to help you. In the meantime if you are going to blame your race for you inability to even pay for pussy, I am sorry, but I can't/won't help you.
So I've been on SA for exactly 10 days and here's what I observed:
1) unlike pros, the girls are more picky about appearance, height, race etc... I'm Asian(real Asian and not Indian... It drives me crazy that Indians are considered Asians. I know India is part of Asia but so is Russia but you don't call them Asian.) anyway I digress... So yea race does play a small factor... Me personally, I've only been rejected by one Colombian SB that wasn't into Asians... But that's basically it.
2) I agree with gambler that it mostly depends on how you open and your game. You need to treat them like you're looking for a real gf and not a hooker. You need to put yourself out there and make them feel comfortable and safe with you... If you have no personality and are a robot you're dead in the water.
3) I also don't recommend paying SB just to meet, and only if it leads to bedroom "salsa". If you open up with offerin money just to meet. the SBs will not look at you as a person and more of a ATM... I try to put myself out there and establish a connection with the SBs so they look at me as a friend/mentor/sex buddy so that I'm not just a ATM. It's because of this that I'm able to party with some of them for free and when it comes to money for sex... I'm always able to get it down to a reasonable range (between $200-300) for a nice date and sex. Don't be that creep opening up with dirty talk or asking for nudes if you haven't even met the ladies yet... Treat them like their real women (unless of course you find a freak that sends you nudes without you asking😈). You'll be surprise at how responsive they are to the mutual respect. I haven't found one to establish a long term arrangement yet but most I met have been willing to work with me for 1k or so. I could offer up to 2k but I don't have an good excuse... Does anyone have any suggestions?
4) for the SBs that are pushy and are only looking at it as a busniess and insist on having things their way without compromising for example, their rate for ppm, have to give them a gift just to meet, have to meet them at their location and won't meet you half way etc... I suggest you move on... But that's just me... If I was looking for a pro id be with an escort. I'm looking for the real Friend with benefit experience. Good luck to you sir and I hope this helps.
-pepolesbuddy
Personally I think we were much better off with "Oriental" as India, Russia et al are NOT part of the "Orient" but technically they are part of Asia.
Oh BTW, Yes I too have slanted eyes, and I imagine I have been rejected for it without ever knowing, but so far I have never had a POT SB tell me specifically she won't see me because I am Asian. And in 40+ years of seeing hookers, I have only had one hooker, well actually her booker as she worked for an agency who wouldn't see me due to my race, and that woman was herself Asian. Not that it matters but she would ONLY see Caucasian guys, No Black, brown, yellow or red, White only. lol
It is a bit ironic, I have seen a few Black South American Chicas, including a couple I met in Colombia who have commented that they were surprised I picked them as most Asian guys they knew didn't go for "negritas" Personally I am color blind where it comes to pussy, I just dropped off one of my newest SB's, a 19 yr old girl of mixed Puerto Rican and Black heritage about an hour ago.
In the 10 days I've been on... I banged a beautiful 23 yr old flight attendant( one of my fantasies) that's a solid 9 with an unbelievably curvy smoking hot body for a white girll (went on 2 dates and paid for 1)an sexy emo Mexican 22 year old, a beautiful mix Italian/Puerto Rican 20 year old, and a not so great 18 year old.. I regret the 18 year old because I misjudged her awkwardness for shyness. Anyways all for $1k. That's the power of charming the SBs and making them feel comfortable, safe, and looking at you as a true Fwb... HUA
I will have to somewhat disagree with my esteemed SD/Monger GaGa on the (un)importance of race and skin color, although I do feel that "disadvantage" can largely be overcome (perhaps not so much for the AA SugarDaddies in whose cases it is mostly either Aye or Nay). While it is true that the POT SBs look at the stated financial stats first, they will then look at the profile and also the physical description of the person specially if the photos are either hidden or obscure. Some SBs are also so delusional 9as are some SDs) that this may lead to something more meaningful down the road (very, very few cases ever do if gold digging is not the primary motivator). So in summary, yes; height, race, skin color, weight, age and others "physical" factors will come into play. Want to run an experiment? Put your ethnicity as Middle Eastern and see how your attraction level nose dives (you can always pretend to be Italian like Zangari does! Sorry Z,. could not resist the dig!). Just facts of life these days.
The best policy is to NOT get mired and tangled up in the day-to-day response ratio which will drive you as a POT SD insane. The experienced SDs will tell you that there are both euphoric days when you hit every nail on the proverbial head and also depressing days when nothing seems to be going right. I view both extremes as outliers and I look for median and average days when my closing rates have always been better when I'm neither on an extreme high or an extreme low state of mind.
Also bear in mind that the POT SBs do not respond for variety of reasons but primarily it is because the hotter ones truly do get bombarded with inquiries. You can write the nicest message to them and they could very well delete it accidentally when they're weeding through the, well, weeds! Also most of these POT SBs if have been on the site more extensively have already hooked up with SDs and have one or more in their back pocket (pretty sure of this with my own so-called Unicorn). If you happen to see them online prospecting, it could very well be because they're trying to replace you (you will get the chilly vibe) or that they're looking to either add or replace the SD they're going to 86 outta door.
Bottom line is that there are many, many reasons as to why but I have found out that if you are charming, somewhat resourceful both financially and socially, have decent looks and have taken care of yourself; you will get laid with good looking "honey bunnies". The sweet spot for me in 500 with extended BCD and some nice dinner date before that sexy time and that's where I'm at but it works differently with different SDs. DO NOT OVER ANALYZE the POT SBs and instead sometimes do not immerse yourself in the daily dogma of SA. Instead revise your own strategy and come back stronger. Gosh, I have Eff'd up with some POT SBs which I now wish I could've taken my opener back but since I can not, I often do not recontact with the exception of the very rare ones! Otherwise live, learn and move on!
I appreciate the helpful comments. Not sure why some feel need to make personal attacks. I am just trying to get helpful hints. I am willing to share what I have learned as well so that we are all more successful. I did do some experiments. The first month, I listed my ethnicity as East Indian after sending out what seemed like 50 messages I found one very hot 22 yo caucasian sb that I had a great BCD date with for $500. The second month, I listed my ethnicity as Asian (still technicallay correct as India is in Asia) and I tried a more direct approach as suggested by Zangari where I said the amount I was willing to pay as $400-$600 per date to begin with and a willingness to do monthly allowance after that. With this approach I had some improvement in response and found a great 24 yo asian sb that I have seen 6 times. I am now looking to try to find ways to further improve my game. While SA is great, it still takes a lot of time to find one good sb, for me anyway. By the way, prior to joining SA, I lucked into is one amazing arrangement with a 24 yo grad student that I met at a PV agency that lasted over 3 yrs and I only had to pay her with mentoring and guidance with her career. I only joined SA recently and am happy to exchange notes with fellow mongers to up all of our game.
I send out a LOT of messages that never even get read, much less get an answer to. I have no idea if it's due to MY race, (I am the slanted eye kind of Asian, or "real" Asian if you prefer) my age, or something in my profile that doesn't "do it" for whatever reason.
The last thing I am going to do is lie about my race, I don't want the first thing a POT SB learns about me when first meeting me is that I am a liar.
You really haven't given us a lot to work with here, All we know is that you are a "brown person" no idea if you are old, young, rich, poor, fat, skinny, etc, etc etc. All factors that could be a lot more important than your race.
Personally, I don't want to meet POT SB's for whom slanted eyes are going to be a negative. Why on Earth would you want to meet up with women who are biased against East Indians. Yes, it is VERY possible that some women are not replying to you because of your race, and I suppose it probably happens to me all the time as well as I most definitely live in "Redneck country" What exactly do you think any of us can do about it? Racism is real, it exists, and yes it sucks when it's directed at yourself, but it is a fact of life, a fact of life we all have to deal with.
My experience is that race comes up once in a while .... accept it and move on.
I TRY not to discuss arrangement before meeting, and with most POT SB's I succeed, but some girls insist on discussing it before meeting.
As for race, it comes up in every part of our lives at some time or another, and especially where it comes to getting intimate, but so far I have never had a POT SB tell me flat out she doesn't see people of my race, I am sure many of them have simply chosen not to respond to me after seeing my slanted eyes, but I can't let things like that which I can not control keep me up at night. After all, it's not like the black guys who get rejected over and over by hookers with NBA policies. That would sting IMHO.
Yes, there are POT SBs who claim to have been burned too many times in the past by time wasters and want to "pencil in" some sort of arrangement pre-meeting, but that will NOT happen with me. My standard response:
"you have already stated a range in your profile, so had I not been interested further, I would not have messaged you!"
Clearly, I do not say this to the "Substantial" or the "High" delusional and gold digging herd, specially if they're butt fugly when i see their private pics! Two out of three times when I let them know that I will not commit to a base number sight unseen and if my time and $ to spend on lunch / dinner is not of importance to them (I couch it more nicely) I would take that as mu cue to move on, they do respond that they'd still be interested (but I seldom pursue those). I also do not pursue those who want gas $ to come to me, trinkets, Uber/Lyft, nail salon $, etc... If she's nicely put together, this does not prohibit me from offering her a $100 after the meeting (I try not to though).
Also when during text message they throw numbers, I do not come back with my own numbers as I just respond that those are workable with me. In summary, a quick afternoon tryst is 300-350 (I don't go below 300 because I do not want to cheapen the experience as there are plenty of hookers in my local market who will do 300 for a one-and-done after you get to know them) and I will do 500-600 for an overnight which will also include a nice dinner before sumptuous lovemaking BCD and joint shower time together in the AM. I rather do this than take a mini trip to Las Vegas, TBH!
but I always preface my statements with "if we end up liking each other" If I get catfished I have no more problem walking than I do with a B&S hooker. Although I will confess I have been catfished a few times here and still ended up having a quick bite or a drink together, but none of the girls who have catfished me were ugly inside and out, just fat. lol I did have one even offer to split the bill. Yeah, she knew she was a catfish. lol Naturally, none of those women ever got a penny from me, nor did any of them have the gall to ask.
Personally, I do not pay any attention to the "expectation" on a POT SB's profile. I had a very hot Honduran chica I met a week or so ago who not only had "substantial" on her profile, but very clearly stated "if you don't make at least $500k a year, please do NOT contact me" My first thought was "what a money grubbing ho", well actually that was my second thought, my first thought was "damn, she's fucking hot" and then I read her profile which led to my second thought. AAR to make a long story short (I don't get paid by the word) I contacted her, she tried to play the "how much?" game which I successfully navigated without any kind of firm commitment, we met for dinner and I ended up fucking her first night for $300 total for the entire evening together, plus a rather modest dinner tab as she was too young to drink in public.
I have found the expectation in the profile usually has almost no correlation with their "per date" rate, so rather than get chased off by thinking some cunt wants ten grand a month, I just ignore the "expectation"
GaGa, at the expense of throwing some cliches around: as they say. "he who dares, wins" and "nothing ventured, nothing gained". Believe me when I say that I understand and also commend your argument about not paying too much attention to the fluff which SBs ascribe to and put down in fields like "expectations". That said, there's another side to this that I was (almost) chastised by some "older" (35ish) very hot looking SBs who were obviously professional SBs / gold diggers and they quickly pointed out my offerings which vacillate between "Practical" and "Negotiable".
Now, I always think ahead and have a spiel for a comeback but some of these mercenary c*nts immediately put me on a block! I can see where a novice or wet-behind-the-ears POT SB shoots for the moon and aspires too high, but there are the c*nty types who pay very close attention to that field which is both age based and also demographically based (LA, NY, SF and alike). I have since stopped even seriously looking at the 32-33+ in age SBs (if 30 or over, I'll do a double take before approaching because they also lie about their ages). I am merely discussing my own experiences on SA so that maybe some of the new comers take both sides of the coin argument into consideration.
I don't mind if a POT SB just flat out says "no" and if she blocks me, what difference does it make as she has already said no?
but yes, there most definitely some "mercenary cunts" who not only shoot for the stars, but demand it. I have ZERO interest in those type of "money grubbing cunts" so by blocking me, they would be doing me a favor.
As I said, I "try" not to have these type of discussions before meeting, but sometimes I am dragged into it. Most of the mercenary types tend to ghost on me anyhow after I refuse to "make an offer" for a "first date"
I will confess, I have not approached more than just a couple of POT SB's over thirty, and ironically both of them were Asian, and both were a bit mercenary, but not unreasonable in their requested allowance. One was a "quasi hooker" who immediately offered an overnight rate of $300 to see me on the very first date. SOLD. She was a Thai girl of 33. The other met me for dinner first, no sex on the first date, but agreed to an "arrangement" of $500 for overnight dates and we got together a couple of days later, She kind of went psycho on me when and started DEMANDING I come see her, so I did the same as many of the women do and I ghosted on her. lol She was a Laotian woman of 38. Aside from those two, I have only seen women under 30, but I will say the best have been in their late twenties.