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Streetwalking? Or prostitution?
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This thread looks like a troll, but just for fun...

Before I get started I'd just ask the following:  I'm pro enforcing a zoning law that would outlaw streetwalking, but I'm ALSO pro prostitution.  Meaning I'm ok with zoning these businesses like I do other business activities like street vendors, lunch trucks, etc. but if you want to take it to an appropriate place I really could care less whether someone has sex for free or for money.  If that's the total of your argument and you just want a zoning law then I agree and you shouldn't bother to read the rest.  If on the other hand your problem is prostitution then...

1) There is no law against consensual sex, the law is against that same act where money or goods  are exchanged.  I'd like at least 1 (one) example where free is both morally and legally ok, and then contrast with the *exact* same situation where she is handed a dollar.  How is anyone outside the two individuals affected?  Be specific as to how some third parties life is now different because she received that dollar, but if she refused the dollar you'd think it was perfectly ok.

2) I've never done drugs, never even been interested, but possession fills our jails and causes us to release serious offenders early, if my choice is putting a marijuana smoker in jail in exchange for releasing a violent offender, I'll pass on the smoker.  I'll also say what you do to yourself  is none of my business, if you steal, drive intoxicated then you affect others and at THAT point I care.  So the repeat people whose only conviction is drugs aren't persuasive to me in either direction.

3) If she could make real money at prostitution some of the crimes listed might be lessened in frequency - you don't need to commit larceny or burglary if you can make substantially better money doing something legal.  But if both activities are illegal you have to evaluate both crimes in terms of risk, payoff, and long term consequences.

4) If the message is supposed to be that because some people in this profession also have problems with the law, then we should conduct studies to see what other professions also have troubles with the law.  After all, we've elected politicians with much equivalent or worse histories than described above, some to the highest office in the land.  

5)  Convicting a woman of such a crime does not help enable her to find other more "respectable" work, in fact it does the opposite as any reasonable person would agree.

6)  You argue that it is not victimless.  I honestly don't see anything that makes it any more full of victims than any sex act done for free (ignoring the fact that there are almost zero examples of sex actually done free of funds/gifts/favors/obligations). I'd actually also be interested in an example of sex where there wasn't some exchange of something prior during or after the act, be that dinner, drinks, a ride home, jewelry, a place to live, etc.  but actually just two people who meet, fuck, and never exchange any goods or services.  

I'll repeat.  Seriously.  Any example where free is ok, and then contrast with the exact same situation where only because she receives funds directly society detonates

On other discussion boards, there are sections to discuss experience with street walkers.

Whenever there are arrests these men are very opposed to this, claiming it is a victimless crime and waste of taxpayer's money. Here is a history of a few of the ladies who were picked up a few weeks ago.

Miss A. Convictions  
May 2004 - Attempt To Commit Possession Of Narcotics
        Oct  2008 - Possession Of Narcotics
        May 2009 - Possession Of Narcotics
        Oct 2012  - Larceny 6Th Deg

Miss B. Convictions  
        Jun 2008 - Possession Of Narcotics

Miss C. Convictions  
        Dec 2007 - Possession Of Narcotics
        May 2004 - Burglary

Miss D. Convictions
       Nov 2009 Assault 2nd Deg
       Dec 2012    Assault 3rd Deg

Miss E
   Jan 2010   Assault 3rd Deg

You can't out a person's info. on here, so maybe that's the reason. You also cannot say so and so was busted in her provider name and then link to her real arrest information. What you posted can be found on any number of sites that post arrest records, including the police beat in the local newspaper. The bigger question is why do you give a fk?  

Yes, LE tends to target providers that already have a record, because odds are they are into drugs, putting children in danger, have a pimp, or possibly be hanging around with someone who jumped bail....whatever their past charges are, they assume will be repeated, so they are more targeted.  

There was a lady who was busted in Alabama a while back because she 1. Was riding with her boyfriend who was a wanted felon and the hotel ran the license plate, 2. They also recognized her from her photos after the dummy gave the hotel the very same phone number she has listed under her provider name, and hooked up to the hotel internet to contact clients.  

So, it might be their business, but it's certainly not yours. FYI, hookers are not the only ones who have arrest records. Just about everyone I know has been arrested for at least a DWI when they were younger, a bar fight (I've had several), or disturbing the peace. If you know the right people, that can easily disappear, and I don't mean the traditional you pay 500 and the judge says it's gone, yet the cops can still view it lol.

-- Modified on 12/3/2013 4:14:59 PM

Last year in Maricopa County (Phoenix metro), over 250,000 were arrested for DUI charges.  That is 1 out of every 8 people in the County.   On average, fines are ~$5000/bust.   City of Scottsdale made soooo much money off of it, they are now facing a budget crisis because the bars are now offering free rides and arrests have dropped off.   New target for making money?  Arresting ladies for not having "Escort Licenses" and seizing homes and bank accounts.    AZ: Home to the Hypocrite TeaBaggers.

This thread looks like a troll, but just for fun...

Before I get started I'd just ask the following:  I'm pro enforcing a zoning law that would outlaw streetwalking, but I'm ALSO pro prostitution.  Meaning I'm ok with zoning these businesses like I do other business activities like street vendors, lunch trucks, etc. but if you want to take it to an appropriate place I really could care less whether someone has sex for free or for money.  If that's the total of your argument and you just want a zoning law then I agree and you shouldn't bother to read the rest.  If on the other hand your problem is prostitution then...

1) There is no law against consensual sex, the law is against that same act where money or goods  are exchanged.  I'd like at least 1 (one) example where free is both morally and legally ok, and then contrast with the *exact* same situation where she is handed a dollar.  How is anyone outside the two individuals affected?  Be specific as to how some third parties life is now different because she received that dollar, but if she refused the dollar you'd think it was perfectly ok.

2) I've never done drugs, never even been interested, but possession fills our jails and causes us to release serious offenders early, if my choice is putting a marijuana smoker in jail in exchange for releasing a violent offender, I'll pass on the smoker.  I'll also say what you do to yourself  is none of my business, if you steal, drive intoxicated then you affect others and at THAT point I care.  So the repeat people whose only conviction is drugs aren't persuasive to me in either direction.

3) If she could make real money at prostitution some of the crimes listed might be lessened in frequency - you don't need to commit larceny or burglary if you can make substantially better money doing something legal.  But if both activities are illegal you have to evaluate both crimes in terms of risk, payoff, and long term consequences.

4) If the message is supposed to be that because some people in this profession also have problems with the law, then we should conduct studies to see what other professions also have troubles with the law.  After all, we've elected politicians with much equivalent or worse histories than described above, some to the highest office in the land.  

5)  Convicting a woman of such a crime does not help enable her to find other more "respectable" work, in fact it does the opposite as any reasonable person would agree.

6)  You argue that it is not victimless.  I honestly don't see anything that makes it any more full of victims than any sex act done for free (ignoring the fact that there are almost zero examples of sex actually done free of funds/gifts/favors/obligations). I'd actually also be interested in an example of sex where there wasn't some exchange of something prior during or after the act, be that dinner, drinks, a ride home, jewelry, a place to live, etc.  but actually just two people who meet, fuck, and never exchange any goods or services.  

I'll repeat.  Seriously.  Any example where free is ok, and then contrast with the exact same situation where only because she receives funds directly society detonates

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Illegal to sell an organ, on the reasoning that it can become coercive.  (Unless its a Wurlitzer.

I probably should have restricted my request to sex acts but that is a fair point :)    

Though there's a fair amount of debate about selling organs as well, that one's a tougher discussion =/

There is a whole subculture of hobbyists who engage with streetwalkers, which I used to do until I had some items stolen from my car and found TER. Men who engage in this seem to feel it that law enforcement seems to infringe upon some basic right or freedom. I seem to think that the element of danger and the thrill of the hunt adds to their enjoyment of this activity.

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