I do give the hookers a hard time here on TEH but if you have noticed, I never ever venture into GD or anywhere else on TER for that matter to denigrate or to crush 'em with verbal abuse just to pump my chest as a former jaded angry John.
I find that hookers fill an invaluable role as long as they are independent and not trafficked through the various pimps and syndicates, I really think that most married men ought to stick to Pros and not get involved with this SD/SB stuff because it has many grey shoes and can become very precarious and very troublesome in a marital situation. If I met someone who was a full blown hooker through SA and she was still young, fresh and HOT, I would not be dismissive in a summary manner toward her. My beef has always been with the old and haggard hookers who misrepresent by 10+ years, and in most cases don't even use real photos who are constantly getting 9s and 10s right here on TER by the fcuking gutless sycophants. I gave someone a 7 and a 5 under my old ID and got major blow back. Enough was fcuking enough so SCREW 'em sight-unseen (not literally!). I almost wanted to see Lisa Lang but after reading her posts on the GD, so glad that I did not! Dodge a bullet on that one, TG!I have met a couple of ladies on SA who asked me to buy them something before we met. I was supposed to meet one for lunch, but she cancelled. Then she asked me to get her some sushi and send it to her office. I had a long chat with another who then disappeared for 10 days. When she reappeared I asked her what was next and she told me she needed a manicure that day and was hoping I would buy it for her.
With each of them there was this whiff of flakiness anyway, so it was pretty easy to say no, and that ended the communication. It felt a little too much like a hustle - I pay for this with no agreement on what was to follow, what arrangement there might be - and a little too needy for me. OTOH, the amounts in question were pretty minimal, so if it is a way to gain some favor, maybe have a date, it would be a good deal (both women seemed to be pretty attractive). Has anyone else actually gone ahead with something like that? If so, how did it work out?
zig
I think that is why many would be scammer ghost on guys like us. I think due to years, (or even decades) of experience dealing with hookers, we just smell a scamster so much faster than the average guy.
I think just about every guy who has ever had the good sense to even find TER has the sense not to spend a single red cent on a woman until AFTER they have met.
I do know what my answer would have been to the woman that asked for the manicure. "Ok fine, let's schedule a couples mani/pedi, and that would be a great way to get to know each other, on me of course"
I agree - having coffee or lunch, even dinner is one thing, the other stuff, I am not going there unless I am really desperate for a new SB. IMHO, if your not willing to meet a lady at least for a coffee (no fee or minimal fee only - say $50) your not really doing enough homework. My guess is a lot of these woman are wired for constant handouts, $$, gifts and will be a PITA to deal with and always wanting more and more. Now granted - if she is super hot and that is the only thing you are looking for, have at it. But I find this kind of like dealing with the pros - it's not always the hottest lady you like to see again, but sometimes it's the ones you just like for whatever reason.
As stated her many times, depends on what you are looking for and each situation tends to play differently - I guess somewhat similar to real dating - but much better chance to always get laid, for a price of course.
The problem with your statement is that doing something dumb like paying a girls phone bill, sending her sushi, or buying her a manicure without ever having met her is going to make it LESS likely that you are going to end up with a new SB instead of more likely. and it's going to make it MUCH less likely you are ever going to get laid, so her looks are irrelevant, except for the obvious fact that until you meet her, you really have no idea what she really looks like.
But they will battle harden you.
Admittedly, I have always had a strong empathy gene within me and in the past, both in the Hooker Land and also the Sugar Bowl, some of these c*nts took advantage of my benevolence! But with that said, the little tricksters hardened me up and had it not been for the scams (luckily nothing that my next meal depended on) or my own inability to walk away from a reeking haggard hooker, I have become the resilient SOB who now am!
It is good, no actually GREAT to get a couple of SBs in your repertoire on your own damn terms and on your own turf without resorting to desperation or desperate measures. I'm now thinking that if all goes really swimmingly well with The Unicorn, in a month or so "we" may very well be looking together for a P4P SB for a nice Menage-a-Trois!
Absolutely scams and no aspiring or POT SD ought to even consider than BS with the lil head throbbing!
I "may" consider gas money, baby sitting money or Lyft/Uber AFTER we have met if she is close to the photos which I was apparently attracted to, up to max $100 if I'm going to be seeing her again. But unlike Zangari (RIP) I will not make this a condition of the meeting. If she has to come a long distance to see me, I will give her gas or transportation money: $50.
Now I hope that the hookers who view TEH in the stealth mode, cringe after reading some of these but know that for the most parts, they brought this upon themselves with the constant lies and receipts about their age and appearances. Some of them ought to have been put to pasture in a nice, quaint and distant green field a long time ago!!!
NEVER if they have demanded it first.
because there NEVER would have been a first meeting. lol
I will confess I do agree to a certain allowance per "date" in advance sometimes, but that's only with POT SB's where I know she is actually a hooker. Unlike many of you guys here, I still LIKE hookers, but of course I like to know in advance that's what I am dealing with.
Expanding on the point made by Princess (sorry, the name seems to have stuck) I do have a potential date coming where she is broke, living with a friend and needs to both drop off and pay the babysitter before going on our date. I have agreed to pick her up and give her money for the baby sitter before we go out. BUT if there are any hinky kind of wrinkles where I have the least idea that I am being scammed, I will bail in a heartbeat and go find a hooker for the night. See, this is why I LIKE hookers, when SB's flake out you can still go get your dick wet. Takes all the pressure away about getting laid for the evening. lol
I think Principium is going to go away and return as something else if we keep calling him Princess. LMAO!
I do give the hookers a hard time here on TEH but if you have noticed, I never ever venture into GD or anywhere else on TER for that matter to denigrate or to crush 'em with verbal abuse just to pump my chest as a former jaded angry John.
I find that hookers fill an invaluable role as long as they are independent and not trafficked through the various pimps and syndicates, I really think that most married men ought to stick to Pros and not get involved with this SD/SB stuff because it has many grey shoes and can become very precarious and very troublesome in a marital situation. If I met someone who was a full blown hooker through SA and she was still young, fresh and HOT, I would not be dismissive in a summary manner toward her. My beef has always been with the old and haggard hookers who misrepresent by 10+ years, and in most cases don't even use real photos who are constantly getting 9s and 10s right here on TER by the fcuking gutless sycophants. I gave someone a 7 and a 5 under my old ID and got major blow back. Enough was fcuking enough so SCREW 'em sight-unseen (not literally!).
I almost wanted to see Lisa Lang but after reading her posts on the GD, so glad that I did not! Dodge a bullet on that one, TG!
I had a hot looking asian SB ask to meet for lunch and then demanded money just to show up. I figured sure, I'll give her $50 for travel expense, no big deal. She went ballistic on me saying she'd never show up for less than $500 and there was only one of her and she knew her value and there were thousands of desperate guys like me who wanted her. Needless to say, I disagreed with that assessment and moved on!
I had a potential SB lined up, then before our meeting she told me she was broke and needed money for food. She had been texting me hot pics, so I asked her for a video and advanced her 100 toward our meeting. She never showed, but I do have a hot 5 minute video of a voluptuous naked Hispanic girl masturbating with a wand vibrator lol. Live and learn.
Subsequent to this, I had two ask me for an advance. When I declined, I never heard from them again.
But just last week, a POT asked me for an advance to pay her car insurance. I told her that I would give her money at the time of our meeting but not before, that's how I roll, nothing personal. She said ok, today we had our first meet. It was hot, she was hot, and it wasn't all that pricey. So you never know.
Btw, some great posts on this board with a lot of useful information.
I am the bad example here as I paid before getting an intimacy but still paying before meeting would be something even the silly Joe won't do 
The rule here is very simple and absolute: No cash or presents before you meet face to face.
Any request for cash or gifts (even lunch) ahead of meeting is a scam. I know this because I have the financial scars to prove it.
If she is truly interested in meeting YOU and she is truly interested in finding a SD (weather it's NSA, p4p, allowance or somewhere in the middle - I've done all of these), she will want to meet you 1st for the same reasons you want to meet her 1st. This makes SD/SB's much more like dating than booking a session with a provider.
For a provider, you look at the pics, read the reviews for your "checklist" of services or other qualifiers and you book a session at a rate. When you meet a potential SB, you want to explore personality, sensuality and compatibility before you start to negotiate (and yes it is definitely a negotiation) around mutual benefits like funds, time, travel, physical intimacy and other aspects like mentoring, career coaching, etc. (yes, some of the SB's I have met were truly looking for advice on career goals, resume writing, job interviewing, and more).
Going back to my mention of intimacy, that's the key differentiation for me between providers and SB's. The SD/SB arrangement offers the potential for more and deeper intimate vs. only purely sexual interaction. Both are awesome. But for me, the opportunity to add intimacy makes the SB option worth exploring for long term arrangements
After an exchange of introductory messages and a peek at her private pictures, a POT SB suggested we meet. Discussion of logistics followed, culminating in her statement that she expected to be compensated for a first meeting. She had already made it clear that the first meeting was purely a meeting, with no possibility of anything more.
I canceled the meeting. I get her desire to sift out the deadbeats, but that conflicts with my desire to sift out those for whom money is the only thing that matters. Call it a stalemate and move on. Too many other options.