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Prime example form a Phx PD report, undercover in bed with a Tantra gal.  He tries every trick in the vice cop book to get her to say something wrong "for the money do I at least get a hj" like etc.  She refuses to take the bait and no prostitution bust since no explicit offer of sex for money.

This is why sugar daddy sites have never been busted - local TV a few months ago about ASU gals enjoying "arrangements" which obviously included and admitted on TV was for sex but only paid for dates.    

It is legal to pay an hourly fee for companionship.  At least in Phx under covers not allowed to get naked or engage in anything sexual (per questions asked of cops as part of Grand Jury indictment in one major case recently.)  

BUT if an ad says GFE or worse its an automatic solicitation bust since ad is for illegal sex.   Also police compile as evidence reviews but probably can not be used in Court just to get plea deals.  

And we have many charged with felonies in Arizona not just prostitution if working with a driver, appt taker, massage parlors, agencies, Tantra Temple etc.  

But at least based on zillions of cases in AZ there has to be a direct solicitation or payment for sex, or sexual terms in ads or website.

That is why a clearly stated hourly fee with no mention of BBBJ, GFE, HJ etc is the only ad or website not easy to bust.   And of course we just had 4 busts in Scottsdale for no escort license which is another concern.   Not to mention 28 adults and 2 underaged busted in the FBI operation last weekend in Phoenix.

PSEguy1473306 reads

Sex with an escort is legal in escort services as long as there is no verbal solicitation and not specific sex session. There is a male escort agency that operates in Las Vegas, Nevada that serves straight women. The men came onto many talk shows and admitted having sex with women during escort service. They claim they are not contracted for sex for pay nor guarantee sex as part of the escort services. They claim that whatever between them and the client is personal preferences between consenting adult. The agency owner said that he doesn’t sell sex. He only sells companionship. He has a multi-state operation and never got busted for inter-state pimping. The agency must have lawyers wrote the disclaimer and their legal claims.  So it must be legal under the legal system.  
  The women hobbyist don’t arrange for a sex specific session but a date with these men. Men hobbyists tend to arrange for specific sex session.  
The specific sex session make the prostitution charges sticks.  It doesn’t require verbal solicitation. If a hobbyist laid down the money and the escort move to commit sex act within the hour, it is a crime of prostitution.  
                 If a male hobbyist goes out on a public date with the escort, they move to a hotel room after several hours public date to watch a movie, sex happens with no solicitation in the hotel room, it is personal preferences between consenting adult.  The intent of the male hobbyist was the purchase of true escort services.  
                Meet and Greet doesn't work because the intent is to sell a specific sex session. If the escort sells a dating experience, the intent is escort service and not prostitution.  
                If a male hobbyist makes a commitment to come to a hotel room for a specific sex session with an escort, then the prostitution charge will stick. The intent was to pay for a specific sex session.  
The courts said that as long as the person is paid for services other than specific sex session then it is not prostitution.  The court in Marvin vs. Marvin 18 Cal.3d 660 (1976) that two non-marital persons have the right to contract with each other as long as the relationship is not specific sexual services

You are stating that in the absence of any specific discussion about sex for money, that the arrangement doesn't really exist.  You are also saying that if sex doesn't happen within the first hour, that the arrangement doesn't exist.  Both statements are false.  

There is no requirement that the act of sex has to be discussed in explicitly.  If there is an implied arrangement for sex in exchange for money, then it is an act of prostitution.  There is also no law that says half hour dates are prostitution, while multi-hour dates are not prostitution.  In the real world, all of this is nonsense.  All you need to know is this old saying:   If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Let me give you an example of an implied arrangement in a completely different context.  If you went to your neighbor's garage, grabbed a hammer, then you walked past your neighbor on your way out, then you (1) held up the hammer so that he can see it, and (2) he nods to you, and (3) you nod back, and nobody says a word to each other... that is an implied arrangement where you are (1) asking to borrow his hammer, then he is (2) giving you permission to borrow his hammer, and then you are (3) thanking him.  (Communication by nodding like this is such a guy thing by the way).   You don't need to explicitly say things out loud that are obvious, in order for an agreement to exist.

PSEguy147874 reads

I cannot understand how on the website of the male escort agency implying that sex with one of the male escort is legal. The male escort went onto TV shows and confess sex do happen.  
       Well if you study the stings you can see the pattern. The prostitution laws are enforced for specific sex session.  Not for going onto dates with an escort.  
         Sugar Babies and mistresses are legal. The legal system is different than the law system.  
 

Posted By: PSEguy147
            Sex with an escort is legal in escort services as long as there is no verbal solicitation and not specific sex session. There is a male escort agency that operates in Las Vegas, Nevada that serves straight women. The men came onto many talk shows and admitted having sex with women during escort service. They claim they are not contracted for sex for pay nor guarantee sex as part of the escort services. They claim that whatever between them and the client is personal preferences between consenting adult. The agency owner said that he doesn’t sell sex. He only sells companionship. He has a multi-state operation and never got busted for inter-state pimping. The agency must have lawyers wrote the disclaimer and their legal claims.  So it must be legal under the legal system.  
  The women hobbyist don’t arrange for a sex specific session but a date with these men. Men hobbyists tend to arrange for specific sex session.  
  The specific sex session make the prostitution charges sticks.  It doesn’t require verbal solicitation. If a hobbyist laid down the money and the escort move to commit sex act within the hour, it is a crime of prostitution.    
                  If a male hobbyist goes out on a public date with the escort, they move to a hotel room after several hours public date to watch a movie, sex happens with no solicitation in the hotel room, it is personal preferences between consenting adult.  The intent of the male hobbyist was the purchase of true escort services.  
                 Meet and Greet doesn't work because the intent is to sell a specific sex session. If the escort sells a dating experience, the intent is escort service and not prostitution.  
                 If a male hobbyist makes a commitment to come to a hotel room for a specific sex session with an escort, then the prostitution charge will stick. The intent was to pay for a specific sex session.    
  The courts said that as long as the person is paid for services other than specific sex session then it is not prostitution.  The court in Marvin vs. Marvin 18 Cal.3d 660 (1976) that two non-marital persons have the right to contract with each other as long as the relationship is not specific sexual services.  
 

United States law states anything of monetary value.
Sugar Baby/Sugar Daddy arrangements are not legal.
Please familiarize yourself with the law prior to posting untrue statements.
Folks may get in trouble from your comments and that's not cool.
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DAVEPHX1059 reads

Prime example form a Phx PD report, undercover in bed with a Tantra gal.  He tries every trick in the vice cop book to get her to say something wrong "for the money do I at least get a hj" like etc.  She refuses to take the bait and no prostitution bust since no explicit offer of sex for money.

This is why sugar daddy sites have never been busted - local TV a few months ago about ASU gals enjoying "arrangements" which obviously included and admitted on TV was for sex but only paid for dates.    

It is legal to pay an hourly fee for companionship.  At least in Phx under covers not allowed to get naked or engage in anything sexual (per questions asked of cops as part of Grand Jury indictment in one major case recently.)  

BUT if an ad says GFE or worse its an automatic solicitation bust since ad is for illegal sex.   Also police compile as evidence reviews but probably can not be used in Court just to get plea deals.  

And we have many charged with felonies in Arizona not just prostitution if working with a driver, appt taker, massage parlors, agencies, Tantra Temple etc.  

But at least based on zillions of cases in AZ there has to be a direct solicitation or payment for sex, or sexual terms in ads or website.

That is why a clearly stated hourly fee with no mention of BBBJ, GFE, HJ etc is the only ad or website not easy to bust.   And of course we just had 4 busts in Scottsdale for no escort license which is another concern.   Not to mention 28 adults and 2 underaged busted in the FBI operation last weekend in Phoenix.

dadvocate912 reads

There is no necessary consistency on how much clarity is needed for solicitation. It will come down to whether LE feels like busting you, the prosecutor feels like charging you, and the judge/jury believe your defense is enough to constitute reasonable doubt.  

What you describe is different from the OP. Might lack of explicit solicitation allow you to get away with it in certain instances? Sure - so might knowing the police chief, but can you count on it with any reliability? No.

PSEguy147982 reads

There has been court ruling on this issue. Mistresses- lovers are exempt from the prostitution laws because they are classified as non-commercial relationship.

With escorts, the classification is not the same. The courts classify escorts and client relationship as  are classified as commercial relationship.  (See   Idk Inc v. County of Clark 836 F. 2d 1185)

The only way around it is multiple hours date in public. An example how the sex with escort is legal is this.  You book an appointment with an escort for a date. You meet at the shopping mall, go to the movies, and go to dinner. You ask the escort come to your hotel room to watch movies. In the hotel room, then you start to watch movies and things get steamy. You engage in sex with the escort because of temptation. There is no solicitation for extra.  
          Then this becomes legal because it is entrapment. You and the escort were tempted into committing the act.  
        If the escort service originate in the hotel or motel room, then you CANNOT use this defense. The evidence show that the intent is payment for specific SEX SESSION.  
        The courts view sex with an escort as commercial sex. If you solicit for it, it becomes prostitution. The only way around it is NOT originate the date at a private quarter but go onto public dating with multiple activities. Meet and Greet doesn't work. They are selling you specific sex session.  
 
       With mistress-lovers relationship, it is legal to pay for companionship and demand sex in private. You can tell the mistress that you refuse to continue to support her if she doesn't give you sex. You cannot do the same with an escort.  
 
        The state law are in the realm of the law system. Case law, the courts, and enforcement of the law are in the realm of the legal system. Two different system.  

        The judge determine how the laws apply. Look up the jury handbook. The jury is not allow to judge the law but only the facts. The judge determine what is law and how it apply to the case.  
          If the judges already said that the prostitution laws don't apply to making porn and mistress-lovers, then it don't apply.

DAVEPHX781 reads

Posted By: PSEguy147
There has been court ruling on this issue. Mistresses- lovers are exempt from the prostitution laws because they are classified as non-commercial relationship.  
   
 With escorts, the classification is not the same. The courts classify escorts and client relationship as  are classified as commercial relationship.  (See   Idk Inc v. County of Clark 836 F. 2d 1185)  
 
This is an interesting very old 1986 case and has nothing to do with the prostitution law only if escort licensing can be required.  The dissenting opinion is especially interesting.  

There are other cases and other Constitutional issue that can be argued to fight the prostitution laws. In fact there is a major attorney ready for the fight but need to raise legal fees.  

However none of this addresses the issue of when there is an offer or soliciation for sex.  In Phoenix there has to be a direct offer not just for an hour of time.  But most ads cross the line and are direct solicitation.  However some gals use "clean ads" without any reference to illigal sex acts and will never mention money for any sex act only time. And in Phoenix no bust - but again few escorts know what not to do or say.

PSEguy147831 reads

My multiple hour dating approach to escort service will work with hiring a dream team of  lawyers.  
 If a dream team of lawyers explains that to the judge, the judge may throw the case out if you get charged. The judge can declare sex with a client  on a real date is legal based on the circumstances.

 There will be no written record just secret talks in the judge’s chamber so it will not create a precedent.  
The judge has the power to declare the sex is free and the payment is just for time and companionship.  
If you appear at a hotel or motel for specific sex session, the dream team may just get you a deferment or a diversion agreement.  They cannot get the charges thrown out and get an acquittal you immediately.  
If you want the charges to be thrown out completely and declare your actions were legal , then you DON’T want to originate the escort service at a private quarter. Make sure you go to movies, walk in the park, shopping, dinner date, etc. before heading to the hotel room for movies and maybe sex.  

Just don't ask for payment for extras. Just give it free and charge for time and companionship

DAVEPHX720 reads

I agree your plan will work but not needed at least in Phx to avoid arrest.

Judges don't decide criminal cases, a jury does unless prosecutor agrees with your motion for bench trial.    What you could do however is raise the issue in a Motion in Limine.  The money for date or time not sex could also be in a jury instruction if you got the judge to agree.

Judges are better on fine points of law vs typical conservative juries at least in Maricopa County.

Where the OP got it  wrong is his notion of a “specific sex session” and the idea that  
“as long as the person is paid for services other than specific sex session then it is not prostitution.”

        A “specific sex session” is simply not a concept in any prostitution law, including Arizona’s law. In Arizona "’Prostitution’ means engaging …in sexual conduct under a fee arrangement with any person for money or any other valuable consideration.”  

        It does not matter if the lady also agrees to wash your car, do your laundry, and mow your grass for a year. If she also agrees to have sex with you on the last day of the year, that is prostitution.  

      So sorry it is simply not true that “in AZ there has to be a direct solicitation or payment for sex, or sexual terms in ads or website.” Any fee arrangement for sex is unlawful prostitution (leaving aside porn where some old cases find First Amendment protection back in days where porn really was something more than a guy filming himself having sex with the girl and then paying the “actress”), whether express, implied, written or oral.  

        As to “ police compile as evidence reviews but probably can not be used in Court just to get plea deals.” WTF? You know what happened in your state in the second phase of indictments after  the big DD bust went down.
 
 

Posted By: DAVEPHX
Prime example form a Phx PD report, undercover in bed with a Tantra gal.  He tries every trick in the vice cop book to get her to say something wrong "for the money do I at least get a hj" like etc.  She refuses to take the bait and no prostitution bust since no explicit offer of sex for money.  
   
 This is why sugar daddy sites have never been busted - local TV a few months ago about ASU gals enjoying "arrangements" which obviously included and admitted on TV was for sex but only paid for dates.    
   
 It is legal to pay an hourly fee for companionship.  At least in Phx under covers not allowed to get naked or engage in anything sexual (per questions asked of cops as part of Grand Jury indictment in one major case recently.)  
   
 BUT if an ad says GFE or worse its an automatic solicitation bust since ad is for illegal sex.   Also police compile as evidence reviews but probably can not be used in Court just to get plea deals.  
   
 And we have many charged with felonies in Arizona not just prostitution if working with a driver, appt taker, massage parlors, agencies, Tantra Temple etc.  
   
 But at least based on zillions of cases in AZ there has to be a direct solicitation or payment for sex, or sexual terms in ads or website.  
   
 That is why a clearly stated hourly fee with no mention of BBBJ, GFE, HJ etc is the only ad or website not easy to bust.   And of course we just had 4 busts in Scottsdale for no escort license which is another concern.   Not to mention 28 adults and 2 underaged busted in the FBI operation last weekend in Phoenix.  
 

PSEguy147852 reads

You will not find it in the state law. You can find legalized non-commercial prostitution in case law. The woman who traded tickets for sex was let go.
What the judges says is higher the state laws.  The legal system is higher than the state laws.  You will not find specific sex session mentioned in state law. You will find it in case law.  
The defendant in Marvin v. Marvin tried to use prostitution defense to get out of the oral contract. The courts reject it because the relationship was not sex service only. You will not find this in the California Penal code.  Also you will find the mention of specific sex session in USA vs. Lynnette HARRIS and Leigh Ann Conley.
Many states don't have a marital exemption to prostitution laws. In legal theory, you can be charged with prostitution for marriage. There is an implied agreement for financial support for sex. If a spouse doesn't give sex, it is grounds for divorce which can mean the end of financial support. That doesn’t happen because of the legal system.  
The only state that I know of that has police officer exemption from the prostitution laws in sting operations is Michigan.  Many states don't have exemption for police to solicit sex for pay. The legal system allows for it. The law system doesn't allow for it.  
You have to look at how police enforces the law. Are they going to a public date with a hobbyist?  I don't see they enforce the laws for hobbyist dating escort. What I see is the cops bust escorts and hobbyist for specific sex session.  
Do you see cops busting mistresses and sugar babies? I don't see if. Yes, it is a crime according to the law system but allot of things are a crime that you don't see. There must be something in the law book make everyone a criminal.  
I like what Dave have to say.  He is reporting on the facts.  
You are lowering the chances of getting busted for going on a date with the escort.  
Not telling anyone to change their practices. Not telling anyone they have to date an escort.  If you want to practice showing up at the hotel or motel room for the appointment, it is your choice.

ActualLawyer796 reads

There are tons of reasons to deal with the mid- to high-range escorts that are the majority of the women reviewed on this site. By frequenting escorts who are discreet and screen well, and don't make explicit offers of sex on their sites (gfe, pse, other acronyms), you reduce the likelihood that you will have legal trouble. This isn't because the arrangement is any different (though I contend that it IS in fact an arrangement for time/companionship rather than sex, but that doesn't go far in court), but because the police generally don't have the incentive to go after these women. They must couch their stings under the guise of seeking out human trafficking, ie. underage girls and horribly abusive pimping rings, so they can have public support of their efforts. There's not much support for going after ladies and gentlemen who aren't bothering anyone.

The other reason that mid- to high-end escorts are rarely prosecuted is that they are usually smart enough not to say anything that indicates sexual favors are guaranteed. I'm not going to list off all the things they do to avoid it (as LE routinely read these message boards), but the girls who are arrested usually make explicit comments about what their fees will include. Just search for sting videos, you'll see what caused the problems pretty easily. There was a thread a while back with a link to a bunch of them.

Some quick points:

--There's no difference between the legal system, "the law system," case law, etc. There are two places where "the law" comes from - statutes and case law. They are both the law. Judges, police, prosecutors, etc, must follow rules from BOTH sources.  

--There is no requirement that marriages be consummated in many states. In fact, marital rape used to not exist based on your theory that sex is a requirement in a marriage. It's a bit outdated - go ahead, get married, tell your wife she has to have sex with you because you're married, and let us all know how that goes.  

--Rather than worry about getting a "dream team" of lawyers, how about worrying about not needing them in the first place

DAVEPHX724 reads

Adding to your fine good legal points.

Agree not two legal vs law systems of course but avoided that argument.  

Many mid-higher range escorts are busted, I know of them personally but they don't want anyone to know and of course most people don't know real names in the public records.  Recently a very well known one active here busted in Scottsdale and faces serious felonies.  

References are frequently fake sadly and often not confirmed with person giving reference and unless have a physical description hard to be sure and often escort may not recall who the reference really is. Even the major screening boards have been infiltrated and busts made from "verified" clients.  

In the latest FBI operations the ratio is greater than 10 to 1 of consenting adults vs under aged. In Phoenix 3 underaged (age 15, 16 and 17) and 28 adults arrested and 1 alleged pimp (often just a boyfriend or appt setter).

Since the FBI Operation Cross Country VI the FBI hides the adult arrest stats wanting the hype it is all about children and trafficking- and millions being made on the "rescue them" sham.  Local media often gets the adult arrest stats from local PD (local PD is deputized as FBI agents not real FBI often). So far the latest data I have is with only 19 of the 78 cities where we know how many adults were arrested its 850 adult sexworkers arrested in those 19 cities vs 105 underaged in all 78 cities.  

Most of the "pimps" turn out to be friends and no coercion.  

We still do not have adult arrest data from 59 cities.  

72 hours or 3 days long operation , 47 FBI divisions and 230 separate agencies involved.

The money making scam continues.  There are legitimate forced pimp child cases but they are rare and that is what the media hype is about.  Maybe in 5000 ads on BP 10 might be underaged and 1 may be a bad real pimp.  

In Tampa 64 adults and 3 underaged (per Tampa Bay Times)

Just examples of the scam about it being underaged "trafficked"

Of course under the Federal Trafficking Act (reauthorized) trafficking includes fully consenting adults. If its coerced then its "severe trafficking".

Huge profits being made by the emotions of children and "trafficking" when the major arrests are in private consenting adults from web pages and ads

The judges are not higher than state law. In fact, just the opposite is true, the judge has to apply a clear criminal statute. He can interpret it but if it is clear on its face he has to apply it. The only exception is if it is unconstitutional.

       The prostitution statutes are intentionally drafted broadly to catch virtually all sex for pay arrangements. Looking at who LE is arresting as you and Dave are and discussing whether particular conduct is or is not prostitution are two totally separate inquiries.  

     LE has very limited resources for prostiitution busts and makes no attempt to arrest more than a few token violators. As a general proposition they go after defendants who are breaking other laws - i.e. the agencies who always launder money, trafficking, underage sex workers,  violators who have high nuisance value such as open solicitation near schools, and the occasional undercover sting.  

Stay out of these categories and you have to be pretty unlucky to get in trouble with the law.
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DAVEPHX710 reads

I've read the DD indictment, the police report as well as in the latest Temple case. And know from lots of gals what was discussed in the "free talks."

Reviews while compiled in evidence books would have to have a foundation and authentication to be other than hearsay.  Would have to get the writer to testify I would think.  

However they are used in free talks and plea conferences before a judge to get a plea.

We also know the prosecutors will lie about evidence as just exposed in discovery in the Temple case where prosecutor said another "goddess" will say another said she was heard talking about always using condoms.  When the interview transcript was reviewed we know this was a lie.    

I know of very few cases that have actually gone to trial. DD folks all pled to criminal enterprise felonies, most gals got probation but are life time felons, some others went to prison including our beloved photo guy so many knew and liked.

The only case I know specifically about that went to trial was where very well known escort was convicted solely due to "GFE" on her website.  Every since very easy busts from most ads or websites.  

Ads very easy to get into evidence in court with a Subpoena Dues Tecum which can show who took out and paid for the ad. BP released 850 pages in the Temple case.  

I also know escorts not busted and in police reports statements they were not busted because they did not explicitly offer sex for money only time.  

It is like in Canada where huge escort agencies do so well and avoid the living of avils law because they sell time not sex.   In the AZ law other consideration still has to be for sexual conduct not time which is supported on police reports.

Someone wise may raise the question how a non bust is in a police report.  Sadly undercovers could not make prostitution arrests but most of the Temple gals there was no direct prostitution evidence but they were charged sole due to "association" with an alleged criminal enterprise (as in DD, the many many massage cases etc).   So  the details of the undercover not getting a sex for money deal and having to call off the prostitution bust laying in bed with a wise women (Holly) is honestly in the police report

PSEguy147695 reads

With escorts, any sex act between them and the client is considered commercial sex.  The court conclude that it is commercial sex is because there is trafficking involve. The high number of client is coming to and from the appointments and the high turn around rates makes it commercial.  
Mistresses (sugar babies) don’t have a high turn around rate and there is not enough foot traffic from clients  that why they are classified as non-commercial.  
The courts already rule that is no reasonable expectation of privacy in commercial practices even it is done in private.  You can get evidence thrown out in a mistress-lovers relationship but you cannot get the evidence thrown out with an escort-client business.  
The courts view escort as a profession and engaging in business.  Sugar babies are viewed as armatures and non-business but have a relationship with a sugar daddy.
The courts said the legislative intent is to outlaw the business and the profession of prostitution not to outlaw non-business  and non-professional lovers’ relationship.  
There is a federal rule that cash and property given by a lover is a gift. This applies to the states through the 14th Amendment.   If it is a gift, you cannot hire someone, or make an agreement for sex for pay because gifts are not a consideration.  So gifts for sex are legal. Consideration for sex is NOT.  
That won’t work for an escort because they are NOT classified as lovers. Lovers are classified as non-commercial.  
The only way you can get out of it is get the judge to agree that you are paying for time and companionship and the commercial sex is free.  
If you have a public date with an escort for a few hours, go to the hotel room to watch a movie, no solicitation, and no expectation of sex, then the judge may conclude that you are paying for time and companionship and the commercial sex is FREE on the condition no code words suggesting sex for pay like GFE, BBBJ, etc. on the ad.  Dave is right about the ads can get you into trouble.  
If you show up for specific sex session, there are little chances of get out of it. You cannot use donation, time for companionship, etc. to get out.  
 If you get your case in front of a jury and you are found guilty, the judge may reverse the verdict by concluding that you engaged in FREE commercial sex.  
The courts view specific session as attempt to engage in commercial sex because it allows opportunity to serve too many clients. Dating doesn’t seem to give opportunity to create a situation where there is high number of clients
You are taking a chance. There is no guarantee.  
It is not a crime to engage in commercial sex. It is a crime to pay for commercial sex.  
It is not a crime to give a gift or pay for non-commercial sex.  
(See UNITED STATES of America, v. Lynnette HARRIS and Leigh Ann Conley; Fred Cherry v. Koch; COMMONWEALTH PENNSYLVANIA v. STEPHANIE ANN DANKO

DAVEPHX734 reads

1) Penn Danko case - This old 1980 case is based on the PA law that has the "business" requirement as part of the prostitution definition.  Arizona does nor most other states - PA may have also changed wording in the last 30+ years since the case.  

However the Federal Trafficking Act does require "commercial" in definition.

No one is arguing it would be better to go to a movie or out to dinner first on a dating type relationship. But issue is time for money vs sex which from police reports and real world results today, at least in Phoenix it is clear must be a specific offer for a sex act like in ad that says GFE, French, BJ etc.  

2) Trafficking - has nothing to do with how busy an escort is.

Trafficking as a Federal crime must have two people involved on the escort side, like a driver, appt setter, or someone helping the prostitute.  It is kind of a broader Mann Act- no transport across State lines is required only assistance:

"The term sex trafficking means the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or
obtaining of a person for the purpose of a commercial sex act"

So more than just the escort needed.  In Arizona this could also mean a criminal enterprise felony with up to 10 years in prison on each count or related additional counts (money laundering every time transfer money etc) for being a driver, phone appt helper, referrer etc. can result in prison and a life long felony record.  

Huge block grants are available to law enforcement as well as huge fund raising and grants to the "rescue the children" hype agencies - while most arrests are in private consenting adults

PSEguy147808 reads

Case law.  Carroll v. Lee, 712 P.2d 923 (Ariz. 1986).  

In Arizona, a hobbyist can sign a contract with an escort  to provide you cooking, house cleaning, and other services.  The hobbyist can get the sex for free.

 If she doesn't give you sex, the you don't have to renew the contract. This case law doesn't legalize specific sex session.

 If you show up at the hotel room, or motel room for specific sex session, you can be busted.  

 

Posted By: PSEguy147
With escorts, any sex act between them and the client is considered commercial sex.  The court conclude that it is commercial sex is because there is trafficking involve. The high number of client is coming to and from the appointments and the high turn around rates makes it commercial.  
 Mistresses (sugar babies) don’t have a high turn around rate and there is not enough foot traffic from clients  that why they are classified as non-commercial.  
 The courts already rule that is no reasonable expectation of privacy in commercial practices even it is done in private.  You can get evidence thrown out in a mistress-lovers relationship but you cannot get the evidence thrown out with an escort-client business.  
 The courts view escort as a profession and engaging in business.  Sugar babies are viewed as armatures and non-business but have a relationship with a sugar daddy.  
 The courts said the legislative intent is to outlaw the business and the profession of prostitution not to outlaw non-business  and non-professional lovers’ relationship.  
 There is a federal rule that cash and property given by a lover is a gift. This applies to the states through the 14th Amendment.   If it is a gift, you cannot hire someone, or make an agreement for sex for pay because gifts are not a consideration.  So gifts for sex are legal. Consideration for sex is NOT.  
 That won’t work for an escort because they are NOT classified as lovers. Lovers are classified as non-commercial.    
 The only way you can get out of it is get the judge to agree that you are paying for time and companionship and the commercial sex is free.  
 If you have a public date with an escort for a few hours, go to the hotel room to watch a movie, no solicitation, and no expectation of sex, then the judge may conclude that you are paying for time and companionship and the commercial sex is FREE on the condition no code words suggesting sex for pay like GFE, BBBJ, etc. on the ad.  Dave is right about the ads can get you into trouble.  
 If you show up for specific sex session, there are little chances of get out of it. You cannot use donation, time for companionship, etc. to get out.  
  If you get your case in front of a jury and you are found guilty, the judge may reverse the verdict by concluding that you engaged in FREE commercial sex.  
 The courts view specific session as attempt to engage in commercial sex because it allows opportunity to serve too many clients. Dating doesn’t seem to give opportunity to create a situation where there is high number of clients  
 You are taking a chance. There is no guarantee.  
 It is not a crime to engage in commercial sex. It is a crime to pay for commercial sex.  
 It is not a crime to give a gift or pay for non-commercial sex.  
 (See UNITED STATES of America, v. Lynnette HARRIS and Leigh Ann Conley; Fred Cherry v. Koch; COMMONWEALTH PENNSYLVANIA v. STEPHANIE ANN DANKO)  
 

this is a total crock of shit. Altho, if you are looking to get a good laugh in court, cite he Marvin decision in your California Penal Code sec. 647(b) proceedings, the judge and prosecutor will get quite the kick out of it.

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