Umm I would definitely want to say first and foremost to please keep our Chicago providers safe and scam free. It's totally true that she did not post name or credentials on a public board.
There's a double standard that seems to exist though. I know for sure it's made a post about what I thought was terrible customer service skills (which some guys may interpret as kinda scammy) from a provider and kept the lady's information private. I stated my experience and simply asked if anyone else experienced or felt the same way. Now i would definitely like to mention that there was much complaining about it. Many insults and assumptions were thrown at me and I responded, with class, to them all. Hardly any providers asked me to elaborate or asked me questions before they threw out false and made up notions about the type of person/hobbyist they felt I was. Number of PM messages from Providers = 0 Maybe it's me, but if there's a Sisterhood amongst providers, then is it wrong for there to exist a brother/sisterhood amongst people who hobby? Shouldn't we also protect our own too?She's being a conscientious and diligent provider, and offering to share information privately. What's wrong with that? There have been plenty of instances of guys discussing being blown off, robbed, or stood up by providers here, with offers to privately discuss who the provider was. There was never any complaining about that.
We should be discussing people who are dangers to our community; rip-offs, scammers, robbers, perpetrators of violence, and the like. It keeps us safe. Yes, blacklists do exist, but blacklists aren't always updated as quickly as they should be. If something is pressing and urgent, folks need to know. This is the second incident of a scammer that I've heard of in less than 2 weeks, and they're apparently targeting providers.
So, unless you plan on running a scam and targeting providers, like the person above me said, you've got nothing to worry about.
Girls...
Be careful with a guy. He is a scam. He is in Chicago area.
he say he is a DJ producer, but he lies. He has a lot tattoo in the face .
for more information , send me a private.
just blacklist the phone # and move on. don't advertise his info on here. i'm reluctant to ever book w/ you now because you have this tendency to offer up peoples info on these boards... unsolicited
and u ladies wonder why we are so hesitant to give up our real name/linked in profile/employer etc during your verification process
Guys who are safe and respectful won't have this problem.
Are you planning to scam someone?
She can't out this dude publicly because TER has rules against it. But if a guy is out there preying on women and trying to scam them, providers needs to be aware so they can keep themselves and their current clientele safe.
She's being a conscientious and diligent provider, and offering to share information privately. What's wrong with that? There have been plenty of instances of guys discussing being blown off, robbed, or stood up by providers here, with offers to privately discuss who the provider was. There was never any complaining about that.
We should be discussing people who are dangers to our community; rip-offs, scammers, robbers, perpetrators of violence, and the like. It keeps us safe. Yes, blacklists do exist, but blacklists aren't always updated as quickly as they should be. If something is pressing and urgent, folks need to know. This is the second incident of a scammer that I've heard of in less than 2 weeks, and they're apparently targeting providers.
So, unless you plan on running a scam and targeting providers, like the person above me said, you've got nothing to worry about
Umm I would definitely want to say first and foremost to please keep our Chicago providers safe and scam free. It's totally true that she did not post name or credentials on a public board.
There's a double standard that seems to exist though. I know for sure it's made a post about what I thought was terrible customer service skills (which some guys may interpret as kinda scammy) from a provider and kept the lady's information private. I stated my experience and simply asked if anyone else experienced or felt the same way. Now i would definitely like to mention that there was much complaining about it. Many insults and assumptions were thrown at me and I responded, with class, to them all. Hardly any providers asked me to elaborate or asked me questions before they threw out false and made up notions about the type of person/hobbyist they felt I was. Number of PM messages from Providers = 0
Maybe it's me, but if there's a Sisterhood amongst providers, then is it wrong for there to exist a brother/sisterhood amongst people who hobby? Shouldn't we also protect our own too?
She's being a conscientious and diligent provider, and offering to share information privately. What's wrong with that? There have been plenty of instances of guys discussing being blown off, robbed, or stood up by providers here, with offers to privately discuss who the provider was. There was never any complaining about that.
We should be discussing people who are dangers to our community; rip-offs, scammers, robbers, perpetrators of violence, and the like. It keeps us safe. Yes, blacklists do exist, but blacklists aren't always updated as quickly as they should be. If something is pressing and urgent, folks need to know. This is the second incident of a scammer that I've heard of in less than 2 weeks, and they're apparently targeting providers.
So, unless you plan on running a scam and targeting providers, like the person above me said, you've got nothing to worry about.
"We should be discussing people who are dangers to our community; rip-offs, scammers, robbers, perpetrators of violence, and the like. It keeps us safe. Yes, blacklists do exist, but blacklists aren't always updated as quickly as they should be. If something is pressing and urgent, folks need to know. This is the second incident of a scammer that I've heard of in less than 2 weeks, and they're apparently targeting providers."
And yes- you had an experience where you had a terrible customer service, which is a conversation that you could and should have had in the manner you did. I'm not personally condemning you; in fact there have been threads here very recently where guys have discussed being blown off or not responded to and providers have condemned that action. It's not unusual. I'm sure there's blowback, when they post, and I'd wager the OP is receiving her own sort of blowback just like the post above. It's bound to happen; it's not a perfect system.
Keeping one another safe, however, is a bit different, i'd wager. If you saw a provider and she attempted to scam you out of money for services not rendered, tried to rob you, or tried to assault you or had someone else try and assault you, it's probably a good idea to let the community know about it. Public outing isn't allowed, but i'd think that providers and clients alike would like to know who to steer clear of.
I do remember a recent post, however, that did quasi- "out" a provider because the poster discussed the individual and had also recently reviewed them. So there's that as well, but this isn't about scorekeeping.
In this instance, this particular individual, whoever he may be, presents a very clear threat that warrants being discussed.
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No you didn't condemn me or try to insult me and that speaks to your intelligence and maturity above others. My hats off to you for that. Since the "offender" is not privileged to the discussion, then the details regarding this quote unquote SCAM are only factual to the POV of the OP. It's not a perfect system, I agree with you there which is why instead of pointing fingers and naming names we can express information about our experience(s).
I find it ironic that not a single provider bothered to ask questions about my event of bad experience, but when one of the Sisterhood exclaims that there's a potential scammed in the midst there seemseems to regard much more of an interest. Is it that the hobbyist POV carry much less weight in the government of providers? I think not. Because there's a Sisterhood amongst providers present, then we've also gotta be mindful and conscious not to disregard the hobbyist. Especially in matters like this where provider's safety and security are the concern. That is unless the opinions of the Sisterhood are the end all be all.
"We should be discussing people who are dangers to our community; rip-offs, scammers, robbers, perpetrators of violence, and the like. It keeps us safe. Yes, blacklists do exist, but blacklists aren't always updated as quickly as they should be. If something is pressing and urgent, folks need to know. This is the second incident of a scammer that I've heard of in less than 2 weeks, and they're apparently targeting providers."
And yes- you had an experience where you had a terrible customer service, which is a conversation that you could and should have had in the manner you did. I'm not personally condemning you; in fact there have been threads here very recently where guys have discussed being blown off or not responded to and providers have condemned that action. It's not unusual. I'm sure there's blowback, when they post, and I'd wager the OP is receiving her own sort of blowback just like the post above. It's bound to happen; it's not a perfect system.
Keeping one another safe, however, is a bit different, i'd wager. If you saw a provider and she attempted to scam you out of money for services not rendered, tried to rob you, or tried to assault you or had someone else try and assault you, it's probably a good idea to let the community know about it. Public outing isn't allowed, but i'd think that providers and clients alike would like to know who to steer clear of.
I do remember a recent post, however, that did quasi- "out" a provider because the poster discussed the individual and had also recently reviewed them. So there's that as well, but this isn't about scorekeeping.
In this instance, this particular individual, whoever he may be, presents a very clear threat that warrants being discussed.
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It's not a matter of blocking the number they get new numbers they are scammers and of you don't appreciate them safety of women I don't think many women would want to see you either . If you find a women who is scamming you should call them out too . We are all here to meet ppl and have fun .
This dj producer is psycho and gets our information then saua he will all the police and tell hotels etc . He is not nice and it was not fair to say because she is warning ppl you wouldn't see her I'm sure if you have a respectable reference that checks out not much personal info is required ! Good luck to you !
I don't know why you stay mad because it.
everybody here would like enjoy the time and be safe.
i know this guy do bad things my the girls, because he did with me. so, I feel is my obligation to alert the girls.
good clients, i never talk about them. but bad guy, I will speak about him ...
if you are a good guy, you don't need worry
and about blacklist, when I saw this guy, had girls gave a good reference.
after one month many girls contracted with me for see if I was a victim too.
and you don't need book with me. first, I'm not in Chicago
second, I like client who cares about my safety
I agree this is not the forum to post information about clients. I would ever do that! If I have an issue I basically look at it as a business loss and try to learn from it. There are plenty of ways to deal with a bad client but the discussion board is not one of them.
He's not a bad client he is a scammer and very dangerous and some ladies aren't has in tune or know the signs and red flags it's one thing to be a client you don't really enjoy their company but this man and other ladies are scamming ppl in a way that you could be harmed or end up in jail !!! Not just a loss in revenue smh
just stick to replying to every iso post.
Yes Suzy please keep replying to ISO posts so that Spot will not. Spot will accept the ISO post as long as it sounds enough like a bot. Spot ain't trying to do nothing but live through everyone else's fun. Add Sexy + Sweet + Suzy and See Spot Run
Yes he tried to get me too but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see thru his bs !! He even has fake reviews beware!!!! He has numbers pretending to be references it's scarey how far he goes ! He threatened to tell my hotel and call the police on me what a nut he was just mad because I told him NO and that he was lying and his story didn't make a lick of sense claiming to be a huge high profile producer I mean come on anything and everything can be googled just about!! Don't fall for it. beware has anyone seen him in person ??
I've had at least 3-4 ppl in the last 3 days try to scam me in Chicago . Lol thankfully I usw my brain !
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Sorry my delay girls... i will explain you (sorry my english)
running way of this guy.
he is scam... he is a professional scam . I know another girls have problem with him
he say the is a Dj producer.
he pay me with check, a lot money.7,500 that check was a bad check...the bank of american closed my account because that.
he pay girls with paypal too with bad cards.
he is cute and sweet...really you think he is a good guy. the using a lot jewels, good clothes.we went to restaurant, I saw family photo,..everything ok.
but be careful with your card too.
send me your mail, I can send you the conversation with another girl.
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when a girl goes to his house and steal something. is more than the customer's obligation to alert the other men, I think it is more than right.
this guy blow applied in nevada, california, colorado. and now there.
I really wanted someone had told me "Don't go" but unfortunately a girl said he was a good customer.
He has everything, reference, work website, work phone, facebook, instagram, snapchat...he show all his life and you thing he is a goos guy
then you discovered the truth, the real name and the arrest information
Hey okay it's [email protected] so sorry to hear that
How is it someone hasn't set a honey trap for this scumbag and worked him over?
I just need to point out that there is a reviewer only board here and also many backchannel sites - and I think still a yahoo group! - that are for clientele only. No providers allowed.
But you still will post when you are ripped off on here, just in case someone is not a member of your back channel, right?
The point is that when clients say things like: I will never see you now, talk about the 'sisterhood' or bitch about giving screening info/blacklists - they seem to leave out their own little corner of private communication and the 'brotherhood'. It exists. Especially in Chicago, the backchannel is STRONG. I wish providers could keep things on lock like you guys do with your backchannel. It's legit.
Again, I think that is great. I know you gents know how to navigate it like we providers know how to navigate ours. You can weed out the b.s. - private boards on both sides are NECESSARY.
But Ladies, don't believe that nonsense when they bitch about our private boards, blacklists and the sisterhood. They are full of it, lmao. They are either attention starved or never would see you anyway. And if they did, probs wouldn't be a great time. Just like providers who are always bitching about things probably arent a good time either. Just move on and don't be deterred. Thank goodness clients like that are in the minimum anyway!
Those that know me know I am not an 'over reactor'. I like what I do and I have fun with it. But I heard about this guy on our back channel last week - and 2 ladies stalked and hurt buy this ass is a low number imo. This needed to be posted. it reached that level. Just like clients need to step outside their private groups if a provider is dangerous or robbing people.
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When you post on a public forum, then you allow your POV to also be public. That being said you do have to be not only conscious but also to some degree respectful of the fact that there are also different perspectives that exist.
I reply to add, contradict, or to ask a question. I'm not interested in personal attacks and insults. Someone talks respectful, but disagrees with me, then I MUST be respectful in return. Because I'm carrying myself in this manner, I expect others will follow my example.
Backchannel Brotherhood does exist for sure. I don't see the presence of that Brotherhood in a public forum such as this though. In my original post I actually support ladies keeping safe, but I also think that the ladies on here sometimes get themselves out of line when they use the Sisterhood to assault where it is not necessary. Because the Sisterhood and Blacklists have a degree of inaccuracy, then posters can be welcome to question the validity of posts like this.
But you still will post when you are ripped off on here, just in case someone is not a member of your back channel, right?
The point is that when clients say things like: I will never see you now, talk about the 'sisterhood' or bitch about giving screening info/blacklists - they seem to leave out their own little corner of private communication and the 'brotherhood'. It exists. Especially in Chicago, the backchannel is STRONG. I wish providers could keep things on lock like you guys do with your backchannel. It's legit.
Again, I think that is great. I know you gents know how to navigate it like we providers know how to navigate ours. You can weed out the b.s. - private boards on both sides are NECESSARY.
But Ladies, don't believe that nonsense when they bitch about our private boards, blacklists and the sisterhood. They are full of it, lmao. They are either attention starved or never would see you anyway. And if they did, probs wouldn't be a great time. Just like providers who are always bitching about things probably arent a good time either. Just move on and don't be deterred. Thank goodness clients like that are in the minimum anyway!
Those that know me know I am not an 'over reactor'. I like what I do and I have fun with it. But I heard about this guy on our back channel last week - and 2 ladies stalked and hurt buy this ass is a low number imo. This needed to be posted. it reached that level. Just like clients need to step outside their private groups if a provider is dangerous or robbing people.
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You are such a drama queen. I mean, really. We know your butt hurt cause we didn't co-sign your other complaint. We know you think you know more about this world than you do.
You didn't read what I wrote, which is fine. But my point was that most certainly the brotherhood DOES post stuff when it is a big deal. You know, which it SHOULD. And guys like you (if you are one, who knows - your posts and reviews dont add up) use the boards for your own drama. Which, I am out of. You know, cause I am a grown up.
Sigh.
I dont think you a client at all, tbh, I think you are a great at trolling.
With that being said, happy trolling and this is the last response you are going to get from me.
Life is too short for your bull.
I reply to add, contradict, or to ask a question. I'm not interested in personal attacks and insults. Someone talks respectful, but disagrees with me, then I MUST be respectful in return. Because I'm carrying myself in this manner, I expect others will follow my example.
Backchannel Brotherhood does exist for sure. I don't see the presence of that Brotherhood in a public forum such as this though. In my original post I actually support ladies keeping safe, but I also think that the ladies on here sometimes get themselves out of line when they use the Sisterhood to assault where it is not necessary. Because the Sisterhood and Blacklists have a degree of inaccuracy, then posters can be welcome to question the validity of posts like this.
But you still will post when you are ripped off on here, just in case someone is not a member of your back channel, right?
The point is that when clients say things like: I will never see you now, talk about the 'sisterhood' or bitch about giving screening info/blacklists - they seem to leave out their own little corner of private communication and the 'brotherhood'. It exists. Especially in Chicago, the backchannel is STRONG. I wish providers could keep things on lock like you guys do with your backchannel. It's legit.
Again, I think that is great. I know you gents know how to navigate it like we providers know how to navigate ours. You can weed out the b.s. - private boards on both sides are NECESSARY.
But Ladies, don't believe that nonsense when they bitch about our private boards, blacklists and the sisterhood. They are full of it, lmao. They are either attention starved or never would see you anyway. And if they did, probs wouldn't be a great time. Just like providers who are always bitching about things probably arent a good time either. Just move on and don't be deterred. Thank goodness clients like that are in the minimum anyway!
Those that know me know I am not an 'over reactor'. I like what I do and I have fun with it. But I heard about this guy on our back channel last week - and 2 ladies stalked and hurt buy this ass is a low number imo. This needed to be posted. it reached that level. Just like clients need to step outside their private groups if a provider is dangerous or robbing people.
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Instead of just letting the BS continue like I see constantly on these boards. Just because it's not my job does not mean it's not my place. If you're calling being biased, anti bullying, socially correct, and very handsome making it all about me then I suppose I am.
You are a very beautiful woman Elle. I really hope you didn't mean it when you said it's your last time replying to me. I'd get your back just the same as any other woman.
Elle rightly put you in your place you attention seeking, pontificating troll.
No! She said what she had to say, then realized she had no more to say. How is making personal attacks against the person that's actually to some degree AGREEING with you not getting sidetracked to what the real issue is....... the alleged scammed and how best to communicate to the other ladies to be on the lookout for this behavior?
Why are YOu so concerned with what is providers tell each other !! This wasn't a post for YOU . If you plan on scamming robbing writing bad checks harming or whatever else to us providers then YES we are going to post a review on ANY and EVERY channel so that NO ONE is harmed and EVERYONE is aware of the bullshit . You sound ignorant . It's our right to be safe and to let others know . And this client give other clients and hobbyists a bad wrap so you would think you would be appeciative. Smh . I don't think there are many provides who make it a point to say bad things about clients however clients have way more leniency to talk poorly about providers when it's all personal preference at the end of the day . God bless your heart and soul there is so much negativity out there and you choose to harp on this lmao ! Sad
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I don't like seeing people getting bullied. Especially for just voicing their POV. If you look at my UNMODIFIED posts then you will see that I supported the safety of providers all the way. If there is a scammer out there, please by all means let's make our community aware like others have replied. But let's do it the right way. No need to tell not be respectful of a different POV. Matter fact I'd say it's because of people like Suzy and Big that boards like this exist. People like that is what help us develop clarity and the ability to understand the differences of others.
You guys can call me a troll. That I'm a drama queen. That I'm needy. Call me whatever you want. Do your best. I guarantee I've heard worse. But I don't see anyone else speaking up. This board has lots of trolling but I ain't one of them. God blessed the peacekeepers.
SPOTYjudge, you should familiarize yourself with the soliloquy in Cyrano de Bergerac.
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I mean since I'm rs2k verified, have a verifiable job, and the ability to present myself as a valuable client eager to meet you. Then after I have a great time with you admit to you that I'm the one you spoke so poorly about in this forum. Or maybe I will just post a wonderful review about it without being asked critical as you are being now.
I read your reply Elle. But notice how I disagreed without finding it necessary to insult you like to way you did with me. See that is being ADULT, what you're doing is something different Elle.
This is why you don't insult the people preparing your food. Because they could spit in it. Be careful about booking dates with men or women you haven't met before Elle.
I hope everyone can just agree that safety by both parties is a must!
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I was probably one of the first ones to agree. I didn't do it by name calling, or insults, or attempting to belittle the other posters.
If no one heard me the first time hear me now. Please be safe. Screen carefully. If someone even rubs you thever wrong way, it's probably good to follow your gut. To piggyback on what Suzy said in the earlier posts, learn from these experiences.
Also understanding that we are sort of a secret society and with that comes risks on both sides. Takes a certain type of character to be a hobbyist just as it takes a certain type of character to be a provider. We are all very different people, but are we so different that we cannot respect the differences of one another? I suppose if a provider thought too cautiously, then she'd never get any dates and be unable to enjoy what seems to be the one thing we (except spotyjudge because he does not have sex he just comments on the sex life of others) all have in common.