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An interesting 24 hours.
jgoodman222 14 Reviews 1644 reads
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I have had several hobbyists PM me regarding this post and express an interest in a list of providers offering BBFS.  I would say that the number of hobbyists thinking this undertaking is a good idea versus those thinking I am an idiot are about equal.  In any event, the sampling size would be too small to meaningful statement about the hobbyist population as a whole.

No providers PM'ed me.

People have offered about 8 different local ladies who were claimed to have offered BBFS, however only two of these claims were based upon actual experiences versus testimonial evidence (i.e. my buddy said she did).  Of those, one provider is retired and one is still active.  

Of the remaining 6, I have personally seen four.  It was interesting that a hobbyist who said provider X did BBFS and provider X lives in location ABC.  Well I have seen provider X several times and the subject was never broached.  In addition, I don't know exactly where provider X lives, but I know for certain it is not in location ABC.  The hobbyist then pointed out it was really provider Y, he was just misremembering what he was told.

Another provider, in the throes of passion, supposedly told a hobbyist that a raincoat was unnecessary with the hobbyist insisting upon it.  Particularly taken as a second hand account, I find the story non-credible.  A provider so "hopped up" by a hobbyist that she would do BBFS, not likely.  Particularly so based upon my interactions with her.

Two of the ladies I have seen who were claimed to offer BBFS, I would find credible based upon my interactions with them and their respective reputations.  

Based upon the comments I have received, I believe the following:

BBFS is a lot more common in this market than I would have imaged.
It is probably more prevalent in the larger markets like LA, Las Vegas, NYC and Miami than here.
There is a desire for information on BBFS among the hobbyist population that is not being met.

There are too few providers to make a list meaningful and I have a low level of confidence in the information provided, so I am not going to compose one.  In addition, I am not going to pass along any names that have been communicated to me so far.

Thanks to all who commented and PM'ed me on the post.  I appreciate the input.

I am seriously considering getting out of this activity altogether

I am interested in putting together a list for hobbyists of providers with whom they have had a BBFS experience.

For my purpose is a list of providers to avoid, although it obviously could be used for the opposite purpose.  My intent is to share the list with hobbyists only, but I can't control how others would distribute.  

Any interest?

PMs only please.

Pimpernel1917 reads

I am interested in putting together a list for PROVIDERS of HOBBYISTS who have asked for BBFS.
 
For my purpose, this is a list of HOBBYISTS to avoid, although it obviously could be used for the opposite purpose.  My intent is to share the list with PROVIDERS only, but I can't control how others would distribute.  
 
Any interest?
 
PMs only please.

I have absolutely no objection to such a list.

I would point out that my list would be of providers who have actually done BBFS versus someone who merely asked.

I don't have an objection to providers or hobbyists engaging in BBFS, whatever makes you happy.  I choose not to do such activity and would prefer not to engage providers who do.

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I know you mean well but I think it's a really really really bad idea.

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but if the basic idea of the site is to provide information to hobbyists and providers, isn't this an important piece of information to have.

Again, I have no objection to anyone that chooses to do BBFS.  It is becoming more common in the hobby and I think that aligning people who would choose the activity versus those who do not is an appropriate use of the forum.

Simply a matter of matching buyers and sellers.

... How would the list be validated?  Suppose a hobbyist carries a grudge against a provider for some reason. He could tell Uptonogood11, "I had BBFS with ProviderX" and her name goes on the list, although he never had BBFS with her.  Guys who don't want to see providers who offer BBFS will avoid her. And guys who want BBFS will expect to get it from her.  Either way, there's no good coming out of it.  

As you said, there's other ways for hobbyists to find out which providers offer BBFS, whether they're looking for it or looking for providers who don't do it with clients.

No way to validate the list, which is an inherent weakness in the idea.  

We have imperfect information all the time in the hobby, not the least of which is a tendency of hobbyists to engage in rating inflation.  The inability to validate information is a necessary part of the hobby.

I have no doubt that at least some of what you say would happen, but surely that is the case with regard to other information that is presented here.

BBFS is a growing part of this activity.  I would prefer that TER make BBFS a box to check in provider profiles, but short of that this is at least a way to get more information rather than less.

If someone has a better idea to get at the same information, I am all ears

... e.g. by reading all reviews for a provider in their entirety, PMing reviewers, considering the review history of reviewers, using the Reviewers Only board, and others.

You admit there's no way to validate your proposed list.  And you have no doubt that some hobbyists would abuse that list and report BBFS activity when in fact it did not occur.

Do you still think this list is a good idea?

Mention of BBFS is allowed in reviews. That's one way to identify providers you don't want to see. Another is to use back channels available to hobbyists, such as PMs to reviewers and the RO board.  You can stick with well-reviewed providers to lessen your risk.  If you want to reduce the risk even more, you can ensure all of your activities with providers, even BJs, are covered.  You could even choose to forgo FS with providers.

Risk is inherent in this hobby.  There's ways to minimize it, but not eliminate it.  Just as there's ways to get more information to make the hobby safer, but that information will never be perfect.  So why do something that you know will spread damaging lies about some providers throughout the hobbyist community?  

Posted By: Uptonogood11
No way to validate the list, which is an inherent weakness in the idea.    
   
 We have imperfect information all the time in the hobby, not the least of which is a tendency of hobbyists to engage in rating inflation.  The inability to validate information is a necessary part of the hobby.  
   
 I have no doubt that at least some of what you say would happen, but surely that is the case with regard to other information that is presented here.  
   
 BBFS is a growing part of this activity.  I would prefer that TER make BBFS a box to check in provider profiles, but short of that this is at least a way to get more information rather than less.  
   
 If someone has a better idea to get at the same information, I am all ears.  
   
 
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For example, if a provider is said to offer BBBJ when she doesn't, it may be very annoying for her to have to deal with guys who come in expecting BBBJ but it is a problem that is relatively easy to fix.  But if she is said to offer BBFS when she doesn't then that is a much more serious problem.  While I don't doubt that BBFS occurs and probably more than most of think, it is still something that can have serious negative consequences that others data errors do not.

thumper69691523 reads

are a certifiable whack job. Nutso. A blithering idiot.
You must stay up late at night thinking of ways to prove it

No issue with me of having a list of hobbyists who want BBFS versus those who don't.

I would be on the former.

this is fun to watch, but it is in my opinion an unconstructive, even destructive waste of time.

yes I did, must have failed logic in college.

But....I'm wondering how you plan to verify your list? Will you take into consideration that almost everyone with children or a SO has had unprotected sex?  Does it only count if she was paid or do random one night stands get one on the list? A very interesting concept and oh the power it will give you to be the arbiter of "The List".

Who is going to prevent an hobbyist to add a provider name to the list just because he has a grudge on her or because she charge "too much" (posts below)

it is like communism, it sounds great until you think through how it go if put into place.  I have had two hobbyist in the past week ask me about two different ladies and if they do BBFS.  First of all if the answer was yes I would have passed on that and daty.  more significantly I would not answer the question.  

If you want to know the answer then ask the lady.  If you get the answer keep it between you and her, the thought of a list is unconscionable.

There has recently been a couple of instances where well known, and highly reviewed, massage women have had submitted reviews stating that they provided FS and, as it happens to be, I have visited both of them.  One of the women I have visited on a number of occasions and I'm pretty sure that if she offered FS she would have let me know.  

As others have noted, there is no way to validate the submitted names for "your" list and therefore it is arbitrary and meaningless except for Dbags trying to bad mouth a woman.  

And by the way, I've actually have had two BBFS experiences with massage women but I'm never going to tell you who they were.  Then again, maybe I'm lying.

I'm don't think I have a strong opinion about this idea either way, however I have a couple thoughts.

Why would the information be less verifiable than any of the other information on this website?

Why is this information not part of the site already? I.e. why is this topic controversial? I am presuming it is because the behavior is verboten. Even in a community that has accepted many behaviors that are verboten in the rest of society, some behaviors are just not acceptable. In this case, I assume the behavior is avoided is because of the increased health risks of unprotected sexual intercourse relative to the other things described on the site. However that doesn't make total sense to me, because other behaviors like theft and fraud are also verboten, but they are described on this site.

I'm in the grey on this one.

Why would the information be less verifiable than any of the other information on this website?  

It wouldn't, although if UTNG is the facilitator/arbiter I'm not likely to pay much attention.
   
 *  Why is this information not part of the site already? I.e. why is this topic controversial? ...
 I'm in the grey on this one.

I believe TER continues to think, and we continue to speak, about it frequently.  There is no doubt that some providers on all points of the spectrum of "respectability" do it.  Some spontaneously, some deliberately.  Few or none advertise it, and for good reason.  Of all the possible acts this is the one that carries the greatest consequences for the "business."  Most of us can argue the risks of a BBBJ.  BBFS is another irrational universe.  I think the lurking fear is that it could destroy not only the business of particluar providers, but elevate fear of the hobby as a whole, and of the review system.  Imagine waiting with bated breath for the latest review, whether you're a provider or a hobbyist -- not with apprehension/interest about the score, but real fear.

Not long ago there were a series of PMs from one idiot to others of us complaining about a provider that he thought he had entered into a serious relationship with, and so they dispensed with protection.  And then he found she had seen others too.  He was furious, and began to track them down, one by one, and to trash the woman he so loved as widely as he could.  The line between fantasy and excitement and lethal reality had been crossed, and he was deeply afraid.  

So I find UTNG's offer to be unhelpful.  At best the "information" would be distracting.  I don't need much help.  I will take full responsibility for my own hobbying.  If, on the other hand, he went ahead with this and found to be inaccurate, well then those potential consequences could be so dire that it might be worth tracking him down and suing his ass off.

Good luck with the lawsuit.  
That may well the dumbest I have ever read

The dumbest what?  Your sentence lacks an object. In that respect it's a bit like your thought process.

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An industry that is being driven underground.   California recently enacted legislation requiring use of condoms by porn performers.  The permits for filming in CA has declined by nearly 90% as a result.  Some porn filming has moved to Nevada, but two male performers have recently tested positive for HIV.  This is likely to result in similar legislation in Nevada.

I have had several hobbyists PM me regarding this post and express an interest in a list of providers offering BBFS.  I would say that the number of hobbyists thinking this undertaking is a good idea versus those thinking I am an idiot are about equal.  In any event, the sampling size would be too small to meaningful statement about the hobbyist population as a whole.

No providers PM'ed me.

People have offered about 8 different local ladies who were claimed to have offered BBFS, however only two of these claims were based upon actual experiences versus testimonial evidence (i.e. my buddy said she did).  Of those, one provider is retired and one is still active.  

Of the remaining 6, I have personally seen four.  It was interesting that a hobbyist who said provider X did BBFS and provider X lives in location ABC.  Well I have seen provider X several times and the subject was never broached.  In addition, I don't know exactly where provider X lives, but I know for certain it is not in location ABC.  The hobbyist then pointed out it was really provider Y, he was just misremembering what he was told.

Another provider, in the throes of passion, supposedly told a hobbyist that a raincoat was unnecessary with the hobbyist insisting upon it.  Particularly taken as a second hand account, I find the story non-credible.  A provider so "hopped up" by a hobbyist that she would do BBFS, not likely.  Particularly so based upon my interactions with her.

Two of the ladies I have seen who were claimed to offer BBFS, I would find credible based upon my interactions with them and their respective reputations.  

Based upon the comments I have received, I believe the following:

BBFS is a lot more common in this market than I would have imaged.
It is probably more prevalent in the larger markets like LA, Las Vegas, NYC and Miami than here.
There is a desire for information on BBFS among the hobbyist population that is not being met.

There are too few providers to make a list meaningful and I have a low level of confidence in the information provided, so I am not going to compose one.  In addition, I am not going to pass along any names that have been communicated to me so far.

Thanks to all who commented and PM'ed me on the post.  I appreciate the input.

I am seriously considering getting out of this activity altogether

So far I've seen a couple very valid posts about bad mouthing providers and about the power of the one w/the list, however I think the best remarks were from the man who said how about assuming anyone w/ kids has had unprotected sex sometime in their life.  
That is true that makes sense....what's next-are you going to ask about condom breakage too.....  

I think this topic may be interesting but the way you discuss it (or at least the "conclusion" you've come to) I find to be in very poor taste.

This is life there  are no guarantees...people WILL say things that are untrue, gals & guys alike (SOME) will continue to partake in risky behaviour.....

Some have commented about not enough providers speaking out, but i'de like to point out the question was never asked to us....you didn't offer the request of hobbyists that ask for BBFS....

So why would we chime in & besides most people seem to understand this topic has a high potential to become quite negative so why bother.

I'm really not trying to offend you- but I just want to say what I've been thinking & feeling throughout this discussion.....

IMHO you toss dirt onto the hobby itself w/ the conclusion of "you may just get out of this hobby all together"  
are you also going to refrain from ever having one night stands possibly while drinking what if she jumps on you b4 you realize or a condom could breaks....how about being diligent with safety & your healthcare  

Anything can happen at anytime, as a provider there is a whole realm of thought to consider and I'm not sure if you know but when someone's raped they can get medication immediately to help negate any possible STD's  that could be true  for anyone  who has a good head on their shoulders and a doctor they are comfortable with.

Personally  I won't do BBFS. Yet I understand the men that prefer that feeling and IMHO that's why female condoms are so very awesome. :)  
Anyway how about a list of awesome kissers, ...yum! ;)  
 

Posted By: Uptonogood11
I have had several hobbyists PM me regarding this post and express an interest in a list of providers offering BBFS.  I would say that the number of hobbyists thinking this undertaking is a good idea versus those thinking I am an idiot are about equal.  In any event, the sampling size would be too small to meaningful statement about the hobbyist population as a whole.  
   
 No providers PM'ed me.  
   
 People have offered about 8 different local ladies who were claimed to have offered BBFS, however only two of these claims were based upon actual experiences versus testimonial evidence (i.e. my buddy said she did).  Of those, one provider is retired and one is still active.    
   
 Of the remaining 6, I have personally seen four.  It was interesting that a hobbyist who said provider X did BBFS and provider X lives in location ABC.  Well I have seen provider X several times and the subject was never broached.  In addition, I don't know exactly where provider X lives, but I know for certain it is not in location ABC.  The hobbyist then pointed out it was really provider Y, he was just misremembering what he was told.  
   
 Another provider, in the throes of passion, supposedly told a hobbyist that a raincoat was unnecessary with the hobbyist insisting upon it.  Particularly taken as a second hand account, I find the story non-credible.  A provider so "hopped up" by a hobbyist that she would do BBFS, not likely.  Particularly so based upon my interactions with her.  
   
 Two of the ladies I have seen who were claimed to offer BBFS, I would find credible based upon my interactions with them and their respective reputations.    
   
 Based upon the comments I have received, I believe the following:  
   
 BBFS is a lot more common in this market than I would have imaged.  
 It is probably more prevalent in the larger markets like LA, Las Vegas, NYC and Miami than here.  
 There is a desire for information on BBFS among the hobbyist population that is not being met.  
   
 There are too few providers to make a list meaningful and I have a low level of confidence in the information provided, so I am not going to compose one.  In addition, I am not going to pass along any names that have been communicated to me so far.  
   
 Thanks to all who commented and PM'ed me on the post.  I appreciate the input.  
   
 I am seriously considering getting out of this activity altogether.  
 

"Anyway how about a list of awesome kissers, ...yum! ;)"

Here, here!

Your comments are uniformly inane, let's take them one at a time:

So far I've seen a couple very valid posts about bad mouthing providers and about the power of the one w/the list, however I think the best remarks were from the man who said how about assuming anyone w/ kids has had unprotected sex sometime in their life.  
That is true that makes sense....what's next-are you going to ask about condom breakage too.....  

Really?  Unprotect sex with a significant other equated to having unprotect sex with a provider that has 100's of sexual partners a year?  I don't wish to insult you, but that is simply breathtaking stupid.  In terms of condom breakage, I have had one incident of condom breakage in 10 years in the hobby.  I waited 90 days without partners and got a clean test back.  I know that the provider did not engage in BBFS based upon how mortified she was at the breakage.  Do you not realize the difference between a rare accident happening during an encounter versus deliberately engaging in an activity?  Hundred's of unprotected sexual encounters versus a rarely occurring mishap.  Which do you think is more likely to produce an unwanted infection?

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I think this topic may be interesting but the way you discuss it (or at least the "conclusion" you've come to) I find to be in very poor taste.  

I am truly mystified by this comment.  What on earth is in poor taste?

seeking to provide useful information to the hobby community?
deeming information received to be insufficiently large and unreliable as to not be worth communicating?
not sharing the identities of the providers mentioned to me because the information is unreliable?
concluding that based upon what I perceive as an increase in BBFS I may exit this activity?  Is self-preservation in "very poor taste?"

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This is life there  are no guarantees...people WILL say things that are untrue, gals & guys alike (SOME) will continue to partake in risky behavior [sic].....  
   
I agree with this comment, but the implied conclusion that participants should remain uninformed as to the activities someone does.  I would hope that TER would provide a line for BBFS in their provider profile.  I am completely agnostic regarding individual providers or hobbyists engaging in BBFS (whatever ever they enjoy), but we know about DFK, CIM, Pussy Licking, Greek... Why not BBFS?  It is just communicating to hobbyists a menu item.

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Some have commented about not enough providers speaking out, but i'de [sic] like to point out the question was never asked to us....you didn't offer the request of hobbyists that ask for BBFS....  

I don't have the ability to restrict anyone from making comments here, but the rationale for asking hobbyists is simply that providers could simply indicate to clients that they offer BBFS.  In as much as providers can and don't, not much point in asking is there?

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So why would we chime in & besides most people seem to understand this topic has a high potential to become quite negative so why bother.  

Not stopping you now, is it?

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I'm really not trying to offend you- but I just want to say what I've been thinking & feeling throughout this discussion.....  
 
Could have fooled me.  Your comments are criticizing a discussion that is concluded.  Why not influence the discussion when it is ongoing?

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IMHO you toss dirt onto the hobby itself w/ the conclusion of "you may just get out of this hobby all together"  
 are you also going to refrain from ever having one night stands possibly while drinking what if she jumps on you b4 you realize or a condom could breaks....how about being diligent with safety & your healthcare  
   
Baffling.  How is asking a question about who engages in what activity "throwing dirt" on the hobby?  For the umpteenth time, I don't care what activities people chose to engage in, I am simply seeking to be informed as to those providers that provide BBFS versus those who don't.  God bless a provider who does BBFS, but I would choose not to see her.  As to one-night stands, it has been at least 30 years since that has been an issue for me.  I am diligent in that I engage only in protected sex and get tested about every 90 days.

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Anything can happen at anytime, as a provider there is a whole realm of thought to consider and I'm not sure if you know but when someone's raped they can get medication immediately to help negate any possible STD's  that could be true  for anyone  who has a good head on their shoulders and a doctor they are comfortable with.  

What is the point here?  Yes, anything can happen at any time.  Yes there is medication to prevent STD's in case of rape.  Is a provider offering BBFS going to get the medication after each unprotected encounter.  I don't think so Tim.

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Personally  I won't do BBFS. Yet I understand the men that prefer that feeling and IMHO that's why female condoms are so very awesome.

Good for you.

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 Anyway how about a list of awesome kissers, ...yum! ;)  
   
TER already has a category for kissing, no tongue, LFK, DFK.  The qualitative differences can be addressed in reviews

So you broke down what I said piece by piece, angry much...lol smh.
Ok I to clarify -your not showing "poor taste" for ever asking the question--- it was the conclusion I had issue with.

As far as all the other things, no I of course am not comparing one incident w/the chances of several incidents....
But really all it takes is ONE incident! I think it's always helpful to tell others  how to keep themselves safe, so please stop trying to take out your anger on me!
        I was trying to be informative & polite and when I said things were in poor taste or I injected other opinions I made sure to say that they are only my opinion.  
I suggest you move along & stop trying to engage w/ the negative.... And that is why I made the list of good kissers comment.....  
Yet again you come back "with TER already has that"  -dude....need I really say more?!
 You show where your mind is at the moment ( anger, frustration & fear in hobby related activities)  
& I'm so sorry you have so much of that going on.......

No kidding- TER already has such information readily available on here....like so many have already pointed out that's what reviews are for .... (& back channeling)  
I'm done now~ pick me apart again sentence by sentence ...IDC.... I have good things to go do & think of. :) :)  
Be well

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

Posted By: Uptonogood11
Your comments are uniformly inane, let's take them one at a time:
   

 

 So far I've seen a couple very valid posts about bad mouthing providers and about the power of the one w/the list, however I think the best remarks were from the man who said how about assuming anyone w/ kids has had unprotected sex sometime in their life.    
 That is true that makes sense....what's next-are you going to ask about condom breakage too.....    
   
 Really?  Unprotect sex with a significant other equated to having unprotect sex with a provider that has 100's of sexual partners a year?  I don't wish to insult you, but that is simply breathtaking stupid.  In terms of condom breakage, I have had one incident of condom breakage in 10 years in the hobby.  I waited 90 days without partners and got a clean test back.  I know that the provider did not engage in BBFS based upon how mortified she was at the breakage.  Do you not realize the difference between a rare accident happening during an encounter versus deliberately engaging in an activity?  Hundred's of unprotected sexual encounters versus a rarely occurring mishap.  Which do you think is more likely to produce an unwanted infection?  
   
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 I think this topic may be interesting but the way you discuss it (or at least the "conclusion" you've come to) I find to be in very poor taste.  
   
 I am truly mystified by this comment.  What on earth is in poor taste?  
   
 seeking to provide useful information to the hobby community?  
 deeming information received to be insufficiently large and unreliable as to not be worth communicating?  
 not sharing the identities of the providers mentioned to me because the information is unreliable?  
 concluding that based upon what I perceive as an increase in BBFS I may exit this activity?  Is self-preservation in "very poor taste?"  
   
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 This is life there  are no guarantees...people WILL say things that are untrue, gals & guys alike (SOME) will continue to partake in risky behavior [sic].....  
     
 I agree with this comment, but the implied conclusion that participants should remain uninformed as to the activities someone does.  I would hope that TER would provide a line for BBFS in their provider profile.  I am completely agnostic regarding individual providers or hobbyists engaging in BBFS (whatever ever they enjoy), but we know about DFK, CIM, Pussy Licking, Greek... Why not BBFS?  It is just communicating to hobbyists a menu item.  
   
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 Some have commented about not enough providers speaking out, but i'de [sic] like to point out the question was never asked to us....you didn't offer the request of hobbyists that ask for BBFS....  
   
 I don't have the ability to restrict anyone from making comments here, but the rationale for asking hobbyists is simply that providers could simply indicate to clients that they offer BBFS.  In as much as providers can and don't, not much point in asking is there?  
   
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 So why would we chime in & besides most people seem to understand this topic has a high potential to become quite negative so why bother.  
   
 Not stopping you now, is it?  
   
 ---------------------------------  
   
 I'm really not trying to offend you- but I just want to say what I've been thinking & feeling throughout this discussion.....  
   
 Could have fooled me.  Your comments are criticizing a discussion that is concluded.  Why not influence the discussion when it is ongoing?  
   
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 IMHO you toss dirt onto the hobby itself w/ the conclusion of "you may just get out of this hobby all together"    
  are you also going to refrain from ever having one night stands possibly while drinking what if she jumps on you b4 you realize or a condom could breaks....how about being diligent with safety & your healthcare    
     
 Baffling.  How is asking a question about who engages in what activity "throwing dirt" on the hobby?  For the umpteenth time, I don't care what activities people chose to engage in, I am simply seeking to be informed as to those providers that provide BBFS versus those who don't.  God bless a provider who does BBFS, but I would choose not to see her.  As to one-night stands, it has been at least 30 years since that has been an issue for me.  I am diligent in that I engage only in protected sex and get tested about every 90 days.  
   
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 Anything can happen at anytime, as a provider there is a whole realm of thought to consider and I'm not sure if you know but when someone's raped they can get medication immediately to help negate any possible STD's  that could be true  for anyone  who has a good head on their shoulders and a doctor they are comfortable with.  
   
 What is the point here?  Yes, anything can happen at any time.  Yes there is medication to prevent STD's in case of rape.  Is a provider offering BBFS going to get the medication after each unprotected encounter.  I don't think so Tim.  
   
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 Personally  I won't do BBFS. Yet I understand the men that prefer that feeling and IMHO that's why female condoms are so very awesome.  
   
 Good for you.  
   
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  Anyway how about a list of awesome kissers, ...yum! ;)    
     
 TER already has a category for kissing, no tongue, LFK, DFK.  The qualitative differences can be addressed in reviews.  
   
   
     
   
 

until you opened it up again.

You already know what I think of your reasoning, so no point in rehashing.

 
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truetobetold1135 reads

Don't you have better things to do with your time...

Let me get this straight:

I am wasting my time, but you (i) read the post and (ii) commented on it.

Duh.

FutureProof1490 reads

Please do, and take your negativity and schoolboy gossip with you.

Posted By: Uptonogood11
I have had several hobbyists PM me regarding this post and express an interest in a list of providers offering BBFS.  I would say that the number of hobbyists thinking this undertaking is a good idea versus those thinking I am an idiot are about equal.  In any event, the sampling size would be too small to meaningful statement about the hobbyist population as a whole.  
   
 No providers PM'ed me.  
   
 People have offered about 8 different local ladies who were claimed to have offered BBFS, however only two of these claims were based upon actual experiences versus testimonial evidence (i.e. my buddy said she did).  Of those, one provider is retired and one is still active.    
   
 Of the remaining 6, I have personally seen four.  It was interesting that a hobbyist who said provider X did BBFS and provider X lives in location ABC.  Well I have seen provider X several times and the subject was never broached.  In addition, I don't know exactly where provider X lives, but I know for certain it is not in location ABC.  The hobbyist then pointed out it was really provider Y, he was just misremembering what he was told.  
   
 Another provider, in the throes of passion, supposedly told a hobbyist that a raincoat was unnecessary with the hobbyist insisting upon it.  Particularly taken as a second hand account, I find the story non-credible.  A provider so "hopped up" by a hobbyist that she would do BBFS, not likely.  Particularly so based upon my interactions with her.  
   
 Two of the ladies I have seen who were claimed to offer BBFS, I would find credible based upon my interactions with them and their respective reputations.    
   
 Based upon the comments I have received, I believe the following:  
   
 BBFS is a lot more common in this market than I would have imaged.  
 It is probably more prevalent in the larger markets like LA, Las Vegas, NYC and Miami than here.  
 There is a desire for information on BBFS among the hobbyist population that is not being met.  
   
 There are too few providers to make a list meaningful and I have a low level of confidence in the information provided, so I am not going to compose one.  In addition, I am not going to pass along any names that have been communicated to me so far.  
   
 Thanks to all who commented and PM'ed me on the post.  I appreciate the input.  
   
 I am seriously considering getting out of this activity altogether.  
 

I will point out that in my original series of posts, there was nothing negative.  I commented and sought information on a controversial subject.  Thinking that the topic was going not going further, I stated what I thought I had learned.    No negative comments until a certain provider decided that my conclusions were "in poor taste" and "threw dirt on the hobby".  Her comments were so poorly thought out it actually equated BBFS to an occasional condom breaking.  I called her out on it.   I would do so again.

BTW, nice alias captain courageous.

First comment KUDOS for having the guts to start this post!

I love the hobby because it allows me to have experiences that I do NOT have to share with anyone/everyone.  I think most people feel that way, but I could be wrong although I have not yet been driving and seen anyone on the roadside holding a sign that said I paid for sex last night and I loved it!

I equate BBFS to sharing real identities - it is not a good idea for the masses for a great number of reasons.  Too many jealous, mean spirited, manipulative and downright evil people in the world that will use information for personal gain in any way they can.

You had an idea you thought was a good one and ran with it, but did you really think about what you were asking and how others would react?  Wanna be leaders are willing to stick their heads up and say follow me...real leaders stay in the lead when the shits hit the fan.  You hit the shit storm and ran.(99% chance this would happen to anyone in your situation)

My first response when I read this was he is compiling a list for himself of ladies that do BBFS.(by the looks of it I was not the only one thinking this)

I had a disclaimer in my thought.    He must produce this list in its generic form - death wish in the hobby without somehow verifying the information.

Then I thought a little more...how will I know it is the true list that includes EVERYONE that was mentioned or that he does not add names of people he really does not like just to spite them? I can't be sure, nobody could.(looks like your biggest hurdle in the forum)

I decided to wait for it....yup in the end, I got names but I am not sharing because I can't verify the info...no...you got your list of ladies to see in most peoples eyes!(again probably what most people are thinking)

Do I think it was a bad idea? No.  Did I think it would be a truthful exchange? HELL NO  Did I EVER think you would produce a list for everyone to see...not a chance in hell.

Why, because it would be impossible for you to make the list believable and not create a no win situation for yourself!  You took the lead in a topic nobody wants to disclose.  Not a negative on you, just a bad choice of topics.

Other bad topic ideas:  

Full disclosure - everyone give their full name for the safety of us all in verification.
A public calender for all guys and gals so we know who had openings and who is booked!
A public list of incalls and outcalls so we can dispense with the repetitive 2 call system and what the hell we can match hobbyist and ladies up be geographical location for last minute needs!

Ladies and gents have a great weekend and go get laid!  Bring covers just in case you need them!
YES even to those legit and rub massage places, sexual attraction can happen anywhere!

I can't wait for my next visit to the hospital...there has to be at least 1 more nurse willing to give a happy ending during my bath! :-

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