Maybe I didn't make it clear enough. This has only taken place with ATF and after many Thousands of $ has been 'invested'. We have shared many more personal concerns beyond chit-chat BS of an hourly worker as yourself. No, I would not expect everyone to accommodate such a thing, especially as what you describe to be a taxi meter running at the door.
Curious if others have no-strings-attached visits... In public lunch, or dinner, or just drinks then split.... "See you (as we discussed)....."
I have done this with close ATF recently and find it raising the tension for the next BCD visit. So hot!
Anybody else? Ladies want to share?
I have a just dinner/drinks rate that is just that. Gives us time to just relax together and talk without the pressures of private time. and some time is leads to an extension of private time. Works great for an actual escort date when he is out with colleagues or doesn't want to dine alone. Wants company to the theater/festival/concert. Very fun.
By the way, we may have spoken at a M&G recently. I enjoyed the conversations.
I got invited to a wedding later this year, and from I observed in the planning so far, this wedding is rather "conservative". (Read: going there alone is looked down upon even if you aren't seeing anyone.) A 2-hour public-only date would be great. Because bringing a new civvie to a wedding, after seeing her for just a few months, will send the wrong message. My only requirements would be you knowing ballroom/swing/Latin dances (basic is fine) and mingling at the reception.
It's just an idea for now, but should it become reality, we can discuss the details privately. Let me know if this is something you're able to do.
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sounds great. just PM me the details and we can work out the details.
The problem with this scenario is that most men don't want to pay the going rate. My charge for public time is exactly the same rate as my charge for private time. Why? The amount of work I put into the appointment is just as great, if not greater, than the amount of work I put into a private time appointment. I still have to spend an hour getting ready, taking Uber to the location, spend time with a client, making conversation, flirting with someone to whom I may or may not be attracted, etc. Just because we are not spending intimate time together doesn't mean that I, and most other providers, don't expect to be compensated wholly and fairly for our time. At the end of the day, it's work.
I agree with I_run, I also look at it like this. There is a reason that we charge for time, as opposed to setting up the donation structure relating to what is done during the time together.
MY perspective was having a public encounter with an established friend over lunch/drinks. Everyone needs to eat or enjoy a drink, right? I guess the willingness of the lady to do so without 'strings attached' shows more of the relaxed 'relationship' we have established versus a business transaction.
Not for everyone I am sure. Only for a select ATF....
It always confuses me, because clients know what is the what when they contact me. The other thing about these type of scenarios is that the client never suggests an evening out to which I'd ever agree. Are you offering an evening out that includes Shanghai Terrace at the Pen followed by RPM Steak with a nightcap at the Langham? Probably not. Every time a client has suggested dinner, it's always some low rent bar with shitty food to which I'd never go in my personal life. The scenario you suggested, one where a provider sees you off the clock without compensation, benefits the provider in zero ways. I'd even go so far as to say she's lowering the overall perceived value of her time when she spend free time with clients. If you're looking for a dinner companion, a dating website would be a more appropriate venue to find such a person.
Would you ask your hair stylist to cut your hair for free?
Would you ask your attorney to represent you for free?
Would you ask your nanny to watch your children for free?
In the end, there is no "relationship" here other than a business relationship.
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough. This has only taken place with ATF and after many Thousands of $ has been 'invested'. We have shared many more personal concerns beyond chit-chat BS of an hourly worker as yourself. No, I would not expect everyone to accommodate such a thing, especially as what you describe to be a taxi meter running at the door.
This always boggles my mind.
Folks say they have a super great rapport and relationship with their ATF provider, but then end up asking her for uncompensated time.
If you hold her in such high esteem, why do you think you have the right to ask her to give you free time? If she is your absolute favorite provider, you should treat her as such. I would think the more you enjoy and respect someone, the more you'd want to pay them for their time/give them gifts/compensate them.
Also, your comment about IRTT being an "hourly worker"... what does that have to do with anything? We all work by a clock, no matter what kind of job we're doing, and regardless if your AFT went "off the clock", there was for damn sure a clock running in her head. She knew how much time she was spending with you.
I mean, the last I checked, most providers charge for time, right? That would make anyone with an hourly rate an hourly worker
for every single second of time she spends with a client whether it be private or public.
My clients respect ME and our business relationship. As such, they know they know and understand that I'm selling a very valuable commodity - my time.
It is very unfortunate and uncouth that you feel that hard working women should be giving away their time for free.
No client would like it, if out of the clear blue, I called them and asked for money. I wasn't going to work for that money. I wasn't going to provide anything of value in exchange for that money. I just wanted their hard earned money so I could fulfill my own emotional or financial needs. He would be offended, feel used and likely never contact me again. Essentially, that's what you're asking of providers. You want us to give you free time in exchange for nothing at all
Good for you, whoever you are. The difference between a lover and a receptacle.
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believe me, we all know what you mean when you say "receptacle." you are exactly the kind of client we try to avoid: one whose contempt for us becomes apparent when he doesn't get access to us in whatever way he feels entitled to. good thing you posted this with your real handle. it'll be especially hard for you to get that free time you think you're entitled to when other ladies see what a manchild you are.
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You're on website where women are used as receptacles every single day. It's our job. That's apparently okay with you as long as you get your way. But the second you don't get your way, you stoop to degradation. We're all ladies as long as we comply with your demands. When we refuse to comply with your demands, we're wh*res and c*m d*mpsters.
I'm not at all offended by that term. I do my job and I do it exceptionally well. I do it with grace, with kindness and with great enthusiasm. What I refuse to do is enter into agreements that do not benefit me financially, which is the very thing for which you've asked with your request for free time.
Thanks for your input.