Hello. I'm a fresh newbie. Since I have no references I recently got P411 verified (employment verified) but no "OK's" yet. I requested a pre-screen with a well reviewed provider that claims to be newbie friendly. She responded and asked for a picture of me. I guess I'm fine with that--but is that a usual request? Just some additional screening since I have no reviews/OK's? Or should this scare me off?
Thx in advance
Did you read about the Beaver Dam, WI bust a couple weeks ago? A TER provider was busted and was under investigation for two years I think. She asked clients for pics to screen them. LE busted the clients too.
They also got a court order and subpoenaed Google for all her email. I think they were monitoring her email in real time while she was still under investigation.
I have a few links that talk about all the stuff they did. PM me if you are VIP or want more info.
Wow--thanks GaviaImmer. So to confirm--this is NOT a normal request?
And--even though she's well reviewed, and on P411--you'd advise not to do it?
Thanks again.
They also got a court order and subpoenaed Google for all her email. I think they were monitoring her email in real time while she was still under investigation.
I have a few links that talk about all the stuff they did. PM me if you are VIP or want more info.
you should do if you are concerned about your own safety and privacy. Unless you don't care, I wouldn't give my picture no matter who she was.
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
Post the link here.
They also got a court order and subpoenaed Google for all her email. I think they were monitoring her email in real time while she was still under investigation.
I have a few links that talk about all the stuff they did. PM me if you are VIP or want more info.
personally identifying information. It is against TER rules to post links like that here.
That bust was a good lesson in what not to do. She and all the clients who where charged admitted their wrong doing upon questioning. If you find yourself in the presence of LE don't lie and don't incriminate yourself, just STFU an get an attorney.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. I will not reply. On a related note--another provider (agency, actually) a week ago asked for my first and last name, citing that I was ONLY P411 employment verified--and nothing else. I assume asking for full name is NOT normal as well?
Thx again
I am assuming you are not VIP? Do you have an anonymous email address like hushmail? Post it on this board as long as it is not a work, family or personal account.
I will email you a news link so you can read for yourself. Listen to the veteran guys on this board.
It is true that most of the time it won't be a problem. But when a problem does happen, it is a big problem.
Here's the thing, clients do not take appointments from other clients..
So as much as they say its not normal, they are speaking from there own personal experience about what they would not do.
And even in this world of back channel and hobbyist only boards they dont share everything with eachother , including the details of what they did to get verified when they first entered the hobby.
But as someone who has worked as a Personal Assistant for a little over 5 years now , and in the process have worked with 1'000's of clients I can tell you with confidence that when working with a newbie that a pic request or request for some form of pic identification is actually quite common.
I know shocking right ?
An Established well known Provider who had a good head on her shoulders will know to make a non-descript note on the contact and then delete any identifiable information regarding that ..
Example :: ID Verified
There are places that can hide your IP , there are encrypted and secure email sites to in which to store info, there are programs that can clear content off of your computer .. and a security savvy provider will know that.
I get that certain hobbyists are alarmists and feel obligated to tell you the worst case scenario, of which you should be informed, as you should know the risk when you enter into P4P as should anyone who participates in this aspect of the sex industry.
But if you are proactively going to make a go at this industry you should atleast have all of the correct information
Safe Travels
~Ca
I send out a 2K pic, sufficient for at the door ID, not enough res for any of the image search programs. A provider's security is worth it.
Never ever give out your real info, just for a fuck, unless it's free.
You can see tons of providers without giving out anything so why do it. Unless you really like agency gals it is not necessary.
with agencies or anyone else and my screening info has never been rejected
It's not P411's responsibility to double check your legitimacy, it's the providers.
The provider will still need to verify that you are the person behind the account and that's probably why she asked.
Don't compare this screening procedure to that beaver dam Wisconsin shit, those people are obviously mentally challenged.
The sheer idiocy surrounding that whole case is amazing ! Anyway,
I actually get kind of creeped out when someone contacts me from their work email or sends pictures to me.
There's got to be another way and if you really don't feel comfortable then try someone else .
Thx in advance
When giving ID for verification, just make sure the picture, the name and the state of the Id is showing you can cover up everything else. And the reference to the Beaver Dam Bust is worst case scenario but the bottom of the the provider pool.
Comparatively to the thousands of clients and providers who do not get busted the amount that do is a handful and 9 times out of 10 its because the provider wasnt diligently screening.
Its alot more common than people think it is.
-Mel xoxo