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Probably, but that's a very good start......
mrfisher 108 Reviews 951 reads
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bottom line is:  Anything can happen, and sometimes it does.

Purely out of curiosity..

If a provider gets busted, would previous clients all be potentially incriminated? Or rather just the client on sight? (or recent clients?)

And how would that be investigated? The client would have texts or phone call containing no implication about illegal stuff (just timed meeting), and the money is paid in cash. And I assume the providers won't take a picture or video of their clients..

While LE can push and pursue any way they want, they need more evidence than her word, even if it is supported to some correspondence, to charge you and make it stick. But there are all sorts of exceptions.

You may be contacted and questioned, in the hope that you will give them some information to either incriminate you or others. Depending on LE and how they read you, that could be very friendly or they could try to badger you. The correct response is to plead complete ignorance, and if they push further tell them you want a lawyer present. In most cases they will not contact you, but if they do refusing to say anything and asking for a lawyer usually will put an end to any discussions.

They could try to publicly embarrass you, or threaten to do so. Even if the charges are very unlikely to stick, they could use her records or word to charge you, which then allows them to release your name and a nice mug shot to the papers. That may get picked up, but when they drop the charges a few days later, that will not get picked up anywhere. Then it lives on the web forever that you were busted. This is unusual, but it can happen.

I think that is most of the bad news. The good news is simple - very unlikely you will get busted with any charges that stick unless you tell them something to help them out. And, unless you are famous or the case seems to lead somewhere they really want to go, it is very, very unlikely they will chase you at all. Probably a little more likely if you are in a smaller town, and a lot more likely if there is the slightest whiff of underage or trafficking in the case. But generally, they have only so many hours in the day, and their goal is to get convictions, not waste time screwing around with guys who are of no use and cannot be convicted.

That is my view of how it works.

zig

when LE will pursue clients whose names are found in a busted providers files.

The Zumba case up in Maine is a good case in point.

(still not a lawyer)

And there has to be a specific reason, even if we may not have anticipated that reason.

There are only a very small number of reasons why LE would pursue people on a list, and I bet we could list them all.

Suspected trafficking
Suspected underage prosititution
LE needs to get more media coverage
Wants to set an example to deter others (this is the wild card, as it means anyone can be targeted any time)
Sees some famous names on the list and wants to make an example of them (this overlaps with wanting media attention and wanting to scare others)
Has some other juicy target in sight and is casting a wide net to see if it can help get that target (again, this overlaps with the first two reasons)

Most of the time, particularly in most big cities, none of these are going to apply.

Did I mise anything, Mr. F?

zig

bottom line is:  Anything can happen, and sometimes it does.

Posted By: mrfisher
when LE will pursue clients whose names are found in a busted providers files.
The Zumba case up in Maine is a good case in point.
(still not a lawyer)
The Maine case has more than a number in a phone.  The principles kept detailed records (thought they were staring in The Client List)...  not real world.  And recorded the sessions.  This is rather the exception where all LE has is a link to a burner phone.

On a number of different factors, the primary ones of which the two previous posters outlined rather eloquently.  The most likely concerns would be the one noted of public humiliation by disseminating names found or having attention drawn to you so as to be the focus of further investigation.  I can't see the latter happening in any big city, they usually focus on the known girls and set up undercover females for john stings.  And even if you were later popped on a different case, unless the previous records were crystal clear as to purporting to establish a common scheme or purpose (which is highly unlikely for the reasons you note), there would be number of strong legal arguments that would most likely exclude the information from being used in a subsequent prosecution.

Distinguish between warrantless arrests and arrests with a warrant.      

     All LE needs is for the lady to say "I had sex for pay with A, B, C, & D" and LE can obtain a warrant for their arrest even though the crime take place in private.  Some states like Texas even have statutes that require one party to a sex for pay transaction to give evidence as to the transaction, although the evidence may not be used against the speaking party. But a lady facing a third strike charge in states making the third arrest a felony may be wiling to flip in exchange for immunity.

     So the risk is there if LE wants to come after the clients. But fortunately there seems to be is little interest in doing so if no other crime is involved. In the Desert Divas, for example, they only indicted clients who traded reviews for sex or discounts.

       If the lady does not flip and LE does not observe the crime in its presence, most states forbid a warrantless arrest and LE would have to get a warrant after building a case using circumstantial evidence. Again, too expensive for a mere misdemeanor arrest so you rarely hear of this happening, unless they want you for another reason.

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In DD case the accountant, Glen the really nice Photo person spent time in prison. Even the bank teller who took money was felony charged and about the only one dismissed.

With GFE or worse on website being solicitation and if gal runs an incall can be a felony house of prostitution charge - or two people or driver = criminal enterprise with 1.5-5 years in prison many gals are taking plea deals which include basically doing anything LE wants.  This can include giving their ID info to websites (how P411 got infiltrated) etc.

In Arizona often don't need 3rd arrest for felony unless only outcall with no one else involved.

In most cases the "crime in progress" is their own ad or website if says GFE or worse.

Now with Prop 35 in CA and similar proposed in NV the war on sexwork including in private consenting adults is increasing using the children as the excuse.  Yet of about 1000 FBI/local sweeps only about 10 involved under aged or pimps.

Under Prop 35 which may spread to other states even a husband or boyfriend may be a "human trafficker" if gets any money from gal (buys cigarettes for etc). He could have to register as a sex offender and anyone convicted has to give up all website ID's (so can entrap others).  That part now has a temp restraining order in CA.

We have a good 5th Circuit case in addition to the Lawrence vs Texas case to try and attack but no funding for huge legal fees would take.  Some groups ready to test at 9th Circuit but need about $100k.

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