Feel free to laugh at me everyone, cause I look back and do. I learned a LOT in the past couple years. Keep in mind, my superassistant Cara now handles my screening cause she rocks at it, likes me, and wants to keep me safe. I adore her.
* The first session I did solo, the man whipped out his wallet and his ID. I didn't even look at it and told him to put it back. Because I honestly did not know this was a thing. He was RS2K verified and that is good for me! Before that, Betsy and I never asked, it didn't occur to us to do so. I was all "what??" when other ladies later told me that some women prefer it. And you know what - if that is what makes them comfy - GOOD. This is the beauty of being an independent businesswoman. * I never ask for business cards or DL's via email - because photoshop. I had one gent send me an awesomely bad mock up (unsolicited) of a work ID as his only verification for 'discretion'. It was so badly done - but I bet there are others who could be quite good at it. * I had a great client tell me at the end of his session that he used his buddy's P411 account. He is wonderful, and I am one lucky lady that he is. Because it could of gone the other way right quick, those ok's weren't his. So, yeah, the whole extra verification of p411 IS necessary at times. You don't have to see a provider who asks for more info, but don't act like she is BSC if she does. She would like to stay safe, tyvm. * The easiest way to see me is to be RS2K if you don't want to be screened directly by Cara. Guess how many pissy emails I got that I was a 'shill' for them? Oodles. I love me some RS2k and Kathy actually cares we are safe. I heart them. Bottom line - just like clients, ladies have their own standard of what is acceptable. Don't want to screen the way I am comfy? No problemo. I'm not mad. Find another gal. But don't act so 'outraged'. I want to be comfy. I want to have great orgasms. I want to ENJOY the short time we have together - not wonder if you are going to turn on me. And clients should want that too. But with so many options - and ladies have different screening requirements - why all the complaining ALL THE TIME? JeezHow do you feel about a Provider asking you to send them a picture of your business card?
I had one ask me for that even though I have P411 references with reputable Providers.
A few months ago a friend said a different provider wanted a copy of business card and Drivers Licence from him.
Wow,
I understand there concerns but geeezzee.
If they get caught up, what will stop the Police from looking into there phones or even if the provider goes through hard times and now has evidence with text, emails and pics of these docs to extort you.
My 2cents.
I had one ask me for that even though I have P411 references with reputable Providers.
A few months ago a friend said a different provider wanted a copy of business card and Drivers Licence from him.
Wow,
I understand there concerns but geeezzee.
If they get caught up, what will stop the Police from looking into there phones or even if the provider goes through hard times and now has evidence with text, emails and pics of these docs to extort you.
My 2cents.
They'll never hear from me again. Same goes for those that ask for a headshot. Fuck that!!! If tons of references and/or P411 okays are not good for them, I go elsewhere. I've seen too many examples of client's info being put on public websites [which are not blacklists]
Thats what I said, Makes no sense, I understand there safety, but I can easily go online and make a fake card.
That's why we post here and are P411 verifiable to be discrete, otherwise id pay with a check
I am newbie friendly, and so if someone has no references and isn't comfortable signing up with a verification site, my alternate forms of screening is through using different forms of identification. But, I never REQUIRE you send it to me, I happily accept it in person as well, and don't ask to keep it just to SEE IT. But, you said that you have references so that wouldn't even apply to you.
I do know some girls like to have extra assurance, but nothing is better to me than a references from other providers.
Whatever they want I'm willing to give. NOT. I understand their concerns but I have concerns too.
It seems to be more common lately, especially with the newer and younger providers that have found TER, where they want all kinds of personal information from a potential client. Although it does narrow down my choices at times (actually alot, between excessive screeners and downtown incalls), there are still ladies who understand how to screen through other methods. Between my TER board presence and reviews, and my numerous P411 OKs, any experienced provider should be able to easily determine whether I'm legit and safe. Wanting a copy of a drivers license, business card or a photo is just their insurance if I was to misbehave in any way (not that I would).
This obviously isn't going to apply to the BSC girls so please don't try to make it 
From my experience talking with other ladies and reading what they have to say, it's not even about you. It's about needing to be able to handle you in the case that you can't handle yourself. The unfortunate truth is that some guys just lose their minds, and that only needs to happen once before a lady realizes it's worth losing a client or two over the course of a year than go through that without any way to protect herself again. It's not that we want the leverage, it's that we really may need it, if that makes sense.
If you don't have OKs within the last six months, then Gina will flat out tell us (the ladies) to do additional screening. P411 really isn't a verification service, IMO, it's a holding area for your reference information. I realize that's not as lucrative a sell for her, but really, if you look at it. It's not good for being called much else.
Since P411 is only a reference log, some women just flat out do more screening. LE has infiltrated P411 in the past, and since the men have to ask for the OK, women have to remember that these aren't just references, they're hand picked to the point where some guys have a second persona. Of course they're all going to show he's ok, even if he has a reputation elsewhere. Not to mention the number of guys who attain references through the threat of having her account suspended for not responding (cause of course he knows if you turn it down). Most guys are good, but there are enough who have gamed the system that I and a growing number of ladies are losing faith in it as the only verification tool.
For what it's worth, you have already given out enough of your information to get your identity stolen, and your phone number probably shows up in a number of phones who's owner may get arrested, and some of them you would never expect. I'm not advocating throwing your info to any lady that catches your fancy, but if her ducks are in a row, she's less risky than the cable guy you yelled at last week (seriously, people need to be nicer to them or last years tax fiasco will be even larger scale). I know guys don't really like it when I say that because they don't think I appreciate the risks they face but I do, and that's why I say these things. You need to be careful with your info, just make sure you are being careful and not paranoid. 
I would never see someone who wanted scans of all that info, which is why I joined P411 and have numerous OKs from reputable women. If someone wanted that stuff in addition I would politely decline the request and look for someone else.
I believe this is the most sensible way to go about it. There is no industry standard when it comes to the screening process. A provider should do whatever she feels is necessary to ensure her safety. If her methods don't agree with your comfort then the best course of action is to move on. Whining on the internet will not persuade her to change her mind.
Further verification is needed. And I have had guys literally tell me they use a friend's account for P411, and TER. (Kinda not smart but I'm glad they told me)
It is possible for guys to go for drinks and use each others' phones to book dates. Or say "hey dude. This chick needs me to pm her through TER. Or P411. Can you shoot her an email through your account?"
Anyone could do that. So a sell rounded, tailored approach helps a lot
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But the info on it can always be sent or relayed over the phone.
There are ways to work around certain concerns that are understandable concerns - but still get the information and verify its true info but a picture of a business card isn't all that verifying to me.
One thing that was nice about having a form was I could screen and see the IP address etc. It made my life easier, but the growing concern makes sense, so I have to ixne on that and accommodate the times and current issues.
Regarding proving you are who you are, for many of us, the reason we're not jaded in this industry is because we did it safely and held people accountable by having info on hand, should anything happen.
You are accountable to your job and are paid by it, we are accountable to our job by our work name. Our income. And a lot of ladies don't want to rob, steal, and cheat because - well - everything we put into our name goes in the trash, and we have to start over.
Humans need that accountability. I don't care who you are, any human needs to be held accountable for their actions, and there are ways to give ourselves little reminders to behave.
Some guys I've heard complaining about getting burned in this industry also seemed to like stirring the pot a little too. I think if you do your research, kind of get a feel for the girl, etc, and don't purposefully try to hurt her or use lack of discretion in any way, your info will be fine.
Just another note - if she protects herself and her discretion that hard, its probably a sign that she's protecting yours too.
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Few months back, I had made an appointment to see a well reviewd provider thru P411.
I sent her a pre-screening info via P411, She replied positively and set a day and time to meet.
On the day of the meeting while I am on my way to see her, she sent me a message that she would need me to show her my Driver's Lic. I said,I have never shown anyone my DL and you have all my info, all Oksyd from P411 and that should be enough9 Otherwise she should have never asked me to meet with her!).
I told her that I am turning around and would not meet her.
Few minutes later while I was on my way back home, she sends me another message that It's okay, She would see me. I said , NO,Thank you".
She had already wasted my time and I was in no mood to see her.
I saves some money that day!!
I recently spoke to her about this, and she definitely wants to know if a guy won't show his ID. It's how we verify that it is, in fact, your account. Matching the ID to the person you've been speaking to is how you avoid seeing guys who share accounts, or worse. Your OKs mean nothing if they aren't yours, and other women not screening you as directed by the owner of the website doesn't mean much either. That's why most reputable women say they need to speak to a reputable woman, in hopes that she has done her part to make sure you aren't a problem.
A hassle, I realize. But worth it on all our parts if used correctly.
I understand the need for verification to ensure safety but safety is a two way street! While I have shown an ID at the time of a session, it is always just a quick look, I would never allow them to take a picture of it or would I send one to a potential provider. Last I checked this hobby of ours is an illegal endeavor and the potential of personal information being leaked or stolen is always a possibility no matter how careful or trust worthy the provider says they are. I would assume that if I checked your ID's it would not say Courtney Ova or Ava London and why is that? To protect your personal lives, would you be willing to verify yourselves to potential clients this way?
If my whitelist and provider references aren't enough then I say so be it and move on.
......when asked about P411, and id.
Hugs and Kisses,
Kelly
A valid point I agree but I did notice that your face is blurred out on your ads also I don't see your home address being posted anywhere either.
Really, to suggest that because we don't post our full personal profile on our public hooker websites we shouldn't expect to know who we are meeting with is soooo far out there... Do you even know how stupid it would be for YOU if we did that? Yes, a woman could post your info somewhere, but you doing something to get yourself in trouble is VERY different than someone just throwing that information out there as if they have no idea how the world works. Publicly, we all need to be careful with our information until at least decriminalization comes into effect. That doesn't mean anonymity is or should be king though.
Make sure that in your attempts to be "fair", you aren't shooting yourself in the foot. Even hypothetically...
No, that would be detrimental to both of us.
But, at least for me, I don't think it's outlandish that one day you may learn my real name. Maybe we travel together, or you see the bill slipped under the door, or I accidentally leave the tag on my bag after a flight and you see it, you see my car or stumble across me on Facebook... There are a hundred ways you could figure out my real name and I am not silly enough to think that any of us truly do this anonymously because that opportunity is pretty much gone for all of us. We all have six degrees of separation at this point, if you know what I mean.
Personally, I don't want to worry about that stuff. I used to work that way and it's stressful to have to assume everyone might be crazy so you have to be a little borderline crazy too. At least when I screen this way, I don't have to think about what I've told you over the last year when I accidentally slip my first name while telling a story because depending on what I've said, you could do anything you want with me. I may lose a client here or there, but I don't have to pretend to be digging through my purse while saying goodbye outside of a car that isn't mine on out calls. It really is a steady, constant, unnerving feeling that will eat away from you and a huge part of the reason I left an agency.
Even if you ignore the stories of the women who would have been ok had they just known the guy had multiple assault charges, and the stories where the woman was only saved from a stalker by having his information too, or how many murderers wouldn't be on the street this very instant had the escort they killed just had some sort of information on them, I find the "show me yours if you want mine" and "they don't use their real names to advertise!" arguments thin. I can understand the guys who won't send a photocopy, but those who won't even flash it like they promised to when they signed up for a P411 account? Nearly every woman here has had enough sleepless nights due to clients that that rightfully makes her question how you plan to behave. And if that's the only thing you can think of, something as simplistic as "samesies", then you haven't thought about it as thoroughly as a woman who has made this her screening policy.
We don't screen because we like mind games, we screen because we like for life to be simple and easy. Just like you
Perhaps this whole thread has gone off on a tangent and my sarcasm has gone unnoticed. I have not suggested that you or any other provider ACTUALLY post their personal information on their "Hooker" web site nor have I suggested that you don't screen that would be stupid nor do I expect you to show an ID. My whole point is that sending a photo copy of your ID is not something that I personally am comfortable with or would do as I am sure you or any other provider would. Like I said I have shown them briefly at a first meeting but that's as far as I personally would go. I knew when I posted the premise of "samesies" (nice new word) I would get some reaction but judging from your lengthy responses you are very passionate about this. I have thought this through and for me simple and easy means limiting my personal information exposure.
P.S. I liked you pix on your website and it made me smile picturing you madly typing away
I won't ask for a business card, because in my opinion it's completely worthless, but if someone claims to be a newbie (in most cases they actually aren't - they're usually (not always) covering for misbehavior using a different name, I will ask for either a link to their company bio to prove identity, and/or a DL.
If an established "hobbyist" has recent whitelists/okays, I will not require ID, but I will need to verify you are using your real, full name. And I can do that many ways without an ID. But I do still require real, full names.
I'm not saving any of this information, ever. My reservation forms are secure and encrypted. I've gone to great lengths to protect myself, while maintaining the utmost discretion for my gentlemen friends.
You may not want my identity, and that's fine, you don't need it. You're not the one with your face openly displayed for all to see, explicit reviews linked to that face, naked photos publicly available and a website openly advertising escorting.
I stand firmly behind if you won't comply with my screening requirements, there's usually something to hide. I've found that to be the case 99.9% of the time. Discretion is not the same as anonymity. If you don't want to disclose your full identity, I completely respect that, but you will need to seek a provider with lower standards. I must know someone's identity to feel completely safe and comfortable. I choose my friends very carefully and require real identity because I will not see sex offenders, convicted criminals, etc.
I have just as much to lose as the next person, and I'm not about to jeopardize my entire livelihood over lack of discretion, or misuse of information, so there would never be a reason for me to do anything seedy with a gentleman's information, as I very much enjoy repeat dates. But I will never, ever compromise my safety for anyone. You shouldn't be worried about the ladies like myself that are more stringent, you should be about the ones that don't care whatsoever. They have nothing to lose. And if you don't like it, or don't want to do it, don't. There are plenty that will.
Ask anyone I've seen if they regret giving me their info ;
I don't think that some ladies don't even realize how much business they are losing by have the invasive screening requirements. I know when I look at P411, if I find they want an online form completed or want additional information they almost always get excluded immediately. It isn't worth the hassle in most cases.
Similarly to what others have said, if a provider can't figure out I'm safe from the 20+ okays on P411, many from long time providers, we just won't meet.
Yes, if asked, I'll show my ID when I arrive as it is required from P411. I would point out that I've only been asked once..
Many girls give okays that don't want to out of fear of retaliation and receiving a bad review. Keep in mind, what might be "okay" for one isn't okay for another too.
I won't see convicted sex offenders and criminals and P411 doesn't tell me if you are or aren't, so I must rely on true identity.
BTW, I'm not sure why guys act like P411 is the end all, be all. Anyone can say they are "self-employed" and get an account and rack up okays with women with subpar screening requirements. So acting "okay" with others that don't care if they're screwing a rapist or pedophile is supposed to make me feel safe and comfortable? No.
I don't feel it's a loss of business since those are the gents I wouldn't see anyway...
Similarly to what others have said, if a provider can't figure out I'm safe from the 20+ okays on P411, many from long time providers, we just won't meet.
Yes, if asked, I'll show my ID when I arrive as it is required from P411. I would point out that I've only been asked once...
Good morning everyone, I didnt think this would start a war!!
Great Posts and comments, but at the end of the day even if I had a business card to send you how does that prove to you that I'm not a killer or rapist or even a cop if I set it up correctly?
Also if a person has reviews on TER and recent P411 verifications why ask for these docs electronically??.
The provider that asked for these docs had aggred to meet the next day and came up with these request the day of.
I suggested meeting her anywhere she wanted (Chase-Walgreen's-CVS Walmart (aisle69 LOL) and I would show her my card and DL since it was for an outcall she was traveling anyway.
Anyway I moved on and saw another gorgeous lady.
Thank You All
Peace Not War
Was blackmailed a few years ago by a TER reviewed provider who is no longer listed and would change phones and locations all the time. She took my card out while I was in bathroom and looked up my business and info. I understand when you are new hobbyist but when you have old TER handle and P411 or RS2k no need for card and id.
We don't ask or want to know real name and real address so why give that up?
If they ask for more just leave
That happens a lot with ladies working under $200/hr, and looks like that's what you stick to, which is fine, we're all on a budget. Do you really think a lady that's highly reviewed making $600/hr would blackmail? Why would she? I won't say it would never happen, but she's not seeing 12 guys in a day and isn't hard up for cash. Which goes back to my original point that some ladies will see ANYBODY for cash. I won't. You feel "safe" with that because she didn't ask your name?! Really?!
We don't ask or want to know real name and real address so why give that up?
If they ask for more just leave
Based on the timeframe of her reviews. Ten years ago that was an average price.
I know you know better than this Alex....to suggest that a gal posting 600/hr is not in the same dire need of johns and bucks that the gal posting 200/hr.
And to think that the 600 v. 200 gal isn't BSC is quite presumptuous as well. There is NO way to know if that 600 gal is having issues controlling her demons any more than the 200 gal is. Each is equally capable of going BSC and resorting to blackmail as a means to an end.
Frankly...the 600 gal is more likely to use some extortion to maintain "her" image, rates, scores. The 200 gal is less likely to give a shit...has no brand to "protect" and so on.
Just saying.
We don't ask or want to know real name and real address so why give that up?
If they ask for more just leave
Shut your face Bob. You're my bitch and I love you. You can't stand I've moved to Chicago ; )
I've never blackmailed anyone. It's sheer horsepussy...
The $200/hr. girls are far more hard up than I am. But since you're rich and mighty powerful ass has never seen me you have no real comparison ; )))
Dare you!
💋
And to think that the 600 v. 200 gal isn't BSC is quite presumptuous as well. There is NO way to know if that 600 gal is having issues controlling her demons any more than the 200 gal is. Each is equally capable of going BSC and resorting to blackmail as a means to an end.
Frankly...the 600 gal is more likely to use some extortion to maintain "her" image, rates, scores. The 200 gal is less likely to give a shit...has no brand to "protect" and so on.
Just saying.
We don't ask or want to know real name and real address so why give that up?
If they ask for more just leave
the $200/hr girl, for whatever reason, set her rates as such. her reasons could be vast and varied, the same as the lady who charges $600/hr. Perhaps she likes seeing a bunch of dudes at once, and taking the rest of the time off. maybe the market shes in + the services she provides= the rate she's at. Maybe she needs to see a large volume of clients to pay the bills. Bottom line, her body, her business, her choice. Who are any of us to judge how she makes her cash, what she charges, who she sees? She's got bills to pay, a home to sustain, and other things to deal with just like we all do. She's also just as likely to blackmail/not blackmail as any other hooker would be. Her price point is not indicative of her morals or ethics. I hope you wouldn't think that.
and let's not forget the reality of the situation. A girl who charges $200/hr is probably way busier, volume-wise, than a gal who charges $600/hr. Her price-point, volume, and advertising platform are no indication of who she is as a person, what needs she's having met, or anything else for that matter. To judge another hooker (because we are all hookers, right?) based on her price point is really not anyone's place.
Let's also not forget, if a gal charges $200/hr, sees 5 clients a week, that's still $1000 a week. if she averages that number of clients a week over a year, she's still making $52,000 a year, which is far from a laughable income. She's also doing that in FAR LESS time than 40hrs a week. she's doing that in 5 hours a week in our little hypothetical.
There's just really no reason to judge others for their price points, and ascribe morals and values to people based on those things.
Erin, clearly you misunderstood me. You know me and know I'm not an asshole.
My point was the guy that brought up being blackmailed only sees $100-$150 girls. My point was in no way to say any lady is better than another based on rates, but you actually proved my point. Their volume and target is far higher and they do have to work harder for their money, so that price point is usually more prone to doing crazy shit for money. I no way implied all of them. I in no way implied higher priced girls never do it.
Can't have whorephobia when I'm a whore ; )
and let's not forget the reality of the situation. A girl who charges $200/hr is probably way busier, volume-wise, than a gal who charges $600/hr. Her price-point, volume, and advertising platform are no indication of who she is as a person, what needs she's having met, or anything else for that matter. To judge another hooker (because we are all hookers, right?) based on her price point is really not anyone's place.
Let's also not forget, if a gal charges $200/hr, sees 5 clients a week, that's still $1000 a week. if she averages that number of clients a week over a year, she's still making $52,000 a year, which is far from a laughable income. She's also doing that in FAR LESS time than 40hrs a week. she's doing that in 5 hours a week in our little hypothetical.
There's just really no reason to judge others for their price points, and ascribe morals and values to people based on those things.
Feel free to laugh at me everyone, cause I look back and do. I learned a LOT in the past couple years. Keep in mind, my superassistant Cara now handles my screening cause she rocks at it, likes me, and wants to keep me safe. I adore her.
* The first session I did solo, the man whipped out his wallet and his ID. I didn't even look at it and told him to put it back. Because I honestly did not know this was a thing. He was RS2K verified and that is good for me! Before that, Betsy and I never asked, it didn't occur to us to do so. I was all "what??" when other ladies later told me that some women prefer it. And you know what - if that is what makes them comfy - GOOD. This is the beauty of being an independent businesswoman.
* I never ask for business cards or DL's via email - because photoshop. I had one gent send me an awesomely bad mock up (unsolicited) of a work ID as his only verification for 'discretion'. It was so badly done - but I bet there are others who could be quite good at it.
* I had a great client tell me at the end of his session that he used his buddy's P411 account. He is wonderful, and I am one lucky lady that he is. Because it could of gone the other way right quick, those ok's weren't his. So, yeah, the whole extra verification of p411 IS necessary at times. You don't have to see a provider who asks for more info, but don't act like she is BSC if she does. She would like to stay safe, tyvm.
* The easiest way to see me is to be RS2K if you don't want to be screened directly by Cara. Guess how many pissy emails I got that I was a 'shill' for them? Oodles. I love me some RS2k and Kathy actually cares we are safe. I heart them.
Bottom line - just like clients, ladies have their own standard of what is acceptable. Don't want to screen the way I am comfy? No problemo. I'm not mad. Find another gal. But don't act so 'outraged'. I want to be comfy. I want to have great orgasms. I want to ENJOY the short time we have together - not wonder if you are going to turn on me.
And clients should want that too.
But with so many options - and ladies have different screening requirements - why all the complaining ALL THE TIME? Jeez