Just a thought, kind of tangential to the subject. I talked to another hobbyist once who was interested in dating his ATF. In retrospect I should have told him and not kept my mouth shut - bad idea.
Getting a freebie I don't have any problem with, but ongoing discounts and the girl starts to feel resentful. And dating?? It will never ever work out. Once you've had a paid relationship with her, how can either of you possibly trust the other one over the long haul? It won't happen. Just my two cents.
Any other provider or hobby bobby ever see a client/provider for free after a few times. Maybe the sex is good or the connection is there. I've done this a few times but I'm wondering if other people do this to.
No. Not me. And for the ladies I see I respect them too much to ask.
Any of the ladies you have seen that you actually feel something with, just ask if maybe she would like to hang-out, go to a show, etc. Thats when you work your magic! But if your more of the Higher-Class dude that spends 500+ on this ladies chances of a free time are unlikely.
Some requests for OTC time come off as asking for "free time" other times it's just an invitation to get a bite. The bigger and more "date like" you make it, the more she is going to feel like she has to be "on" during your whole time together. and whether she is sucking your dick, or having a cup of coffee, if she feels the need to put on a act for you, she needs to get paid for that time.
One way that I have broached the subject is to simply let the lady know that I would love to buy her a drink or have dinner on a "No pay, sex optional" basis. but that rather than putting her on the spot to either say yes or risk offending a customer is to tell her that SHE needs to make the first move, but that I want her to do so, but that if she doesn't call me, I will simply accept that as a "not interested" and never bring up the subject again. It amazes me how many times I have gotten that call, but if she doesn't call, you have to stay true to your word. Not taking no for an answer is romantic in the movies, but in real life it makes you a stalker. lol
One provider calls me on ocassion and for one hour I get as many hours as I want. I have been seeing her for years. Of course, I am an older guy so extra hours usually means we just hang out.
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I will spend more time with a client if I have nothing to do or if I connect with them.
There was an instant connection I had never had with a provider and after 3rd or 4th visit, she wanted to go out but didn't want to charge me. She still needed to pay her bills so I figured out ways to help without making her uncomfortable. We have been in an exclusive unconventional relationship for the last 3 years. Idk if we ever establish a relationship if she still treated me as a client. Maybe still but don't know
Had an ATF who's no longer in the business. We would call for drinks and dinners. Spent time at her home.. Miss her!
She gave up the biz, then kept seeing a few of her ATF's and then it was just me. First for two bills, then less until it was just to be together. It evolved, so to speak, in this way. Now, she changed jobs and we hardly see each other any more. I really miss her because she is so girl next door and really cool about just sex for play and no pay. Oh well, life is short. Go with the flow.
I'll ask this of anyone who has responded. Did you go bareback when it wasn't a paid engagement?
If your asking me, no. But I'm not going to give you the answer that you are going to expect. There are people who ask, but I immediately reply with no. But last year I had a really good connection with a 'client' and we started having sex unprotected of course for me if someone reads my TER it clearly says I use protection for everything. But do you ever think that hookers are the cleanest of them all with regularly protecting themselves with contraceptives, monthly clinic check ups and so on. To wrap up what I'm saying here is sometimes your in the heat of the moment and are having a lil fun. Maybe that's the 21 yr old in me but I wouldn't go doing that with just any hobby bobby. Protected sex fucking fucks it feels like nothing but a plastic wrapped hot dog, so once in a while when you wanna feel the real hot beef injection it's not a crime. But in this sort of thing I think Bareback should always be out of the question.
I am currently seeing a hooker now that stopped being business (IOW, I stopped paying her) a few months ago.
The woman I am seeing completely OTC and I still use protection, but there have been others where we did away with the cover at about the same time as we did away with the money. I have always felt at least as safe going BB with a hooker GF as I have any civvie GF for the very reasons you mention, especially one time when I was dating a woman who worked at one of the legal brothels in Nevada. Those girls get tested more than lab rats, I never worried for a moment about her "bringing something home" from work when she would come home after a couple of weeks of work.
Hooker/John relationships are nowhere near as rare as people might think, I have had MANY of them, but then again most of my favorite people are hookers, so no big surprise that I would end up dating a few I suppose. lol
Quite the smooth man grabbing all those ladies. Hahah. But I always felt it was rare. I was great friends with a client for two years and we would spend literally everyday together. But I feel most of these 'special' relationships simmer out eventually. I go on real unpaid dates with plenty of my clients 'I feel like a total bitch charging every little thing' plus I love steak and brews so we all win but, dating clients made me come to realize that men do look at you how they met you. I rather meet some guy at the park go on a few dates and he will never know what I do. The best thing of escorting is quitting when ever you want for love, personal reasons, etc.
The woman I am seeing completely OTC and I still use protection, but there have been others where we did away with the cover at about the same time as we did away with the money. I have always felt at least as safe going BB with a hooker GF as I have any civvie GF for the very reasons you mention, especially one time when I was dating a woman who worked at one of the legal brothels in Nevada. Those girls get tested more than lab rats, I never worried for a moment about her "bringing something home" from work when she would come home after a couple of weeks of work.
Hooker/John relationships are nowhere near as rare as people might think, I have had MANY of them, but then again most of my favorite people are hookers, so no big surprise that I would end up dating a few I suppose. lol
I am a whore mongering pig, I make no bones about it and don't try to hide it from anyone. What I am NOT, is a hypocrite. That might be the reason I feel perfectly comfortable dating hookers. I am not out to change or rescue anyone, I just try to enjoy the moment.
I have NEVER thrown the fact about how we met with any hooker I have ever dated, and come to think of it, I don't think that any of the women I met this way have ever thrown the "well you had to pay for it" line in my face either. I don't look down on hookers, and nor do I worship you as "goddesses" or have any other unrealistic expectations in my mind. Hookers are just women without the traditional hangups about sex IMO, no better or worse than any other "class" of women. I have never really seen the big deal about It, but maybe that's why it's worked so well fro me? and for the record, I have no delusions that I am "smooth" lol
It probably works out for you because you seem extremely open-minded. And thats a awesome thing. Im glad to hear on this bored not everyone thinks like a robot.
Apparently I'm not interesting enough, attractive enough or a good enough lover. Possible I fail at all three. :
......he IS gonna find another reason to withdraw himself, just like he withdrew from you his business; and move on to another incredibly awesome meal. While he is hanging out with you unconditionally, he still is going to pursue what new out there for his business. Here, they also call it "wining the lottery." I'm sure he is a great lover and handsome, and all that, and he deserves an unconditional love like everyone else; the question is: can you afford to give it, emotionally, physically, and financially?
Its not always about money jezzz. If he find another escort awesome, if I get to be around a nice, handsome, good-slaying fella and have some fun, who cares he is paying some other girl. There plenty of clients to go around for all of us. Cheers!
That may be true. I found that free ended up being a lot more expensive. LOL
Dude/Lady come on man? Don't you have anything better to do then be negative on a post. Geezzz!
Just a thought, kind of tangential to the subject. I talked to another hobbyist once who was interested in dating his ATF. In retrospect I should have told him and not kept my mouth shut - bad idea.
Getting a freebie I don't have any problem with, but ongoing discounts and the girl starts to feel resentful. And dating?? It will never ever work out. Once you've had a paid relationship with her, how can either of you possibly trust the other one over the long haul? It won't happen.
Just my two cents.
Very true it never last long, but unless your looking for a LTR or LTF than I don't recommend it haha but for a fun lil summertime fling. Why not!
I had a provider who was my ATF who after a few visits begged me for a free fuck, of course i came and she kept texting me and i came whenever i had no work. All was great until about a month later when she started bitching and yelling at me for not paying her for "all she done for me" it was mutual and a great fuck i visited one more time after that fight for a fee, but she disappeared ever since.