I appreciate a client who understands that he needs to be verified. I happen to like p411 and i also appreciate references from other girls. I try to explain to my clients that i am not trying to be intrusive but I feel more comfortable when i know a little about the person I will be spending time with. And the more comfortable i feel the better time for us both.
i love the clients who provide the info to verify them in the first or second email it also indicates they are serious about booking. I had one prospective client that i had been exchanging emails with for weeks and when i counted we had exchanged 43 emails and i got frustrated and emailed him"for the love of god do you want to fuck me or not" he finally got the courage sent me his work info as he had no references and I screwed his brains out.I was trying to see a provider who is employed by an agency, that I thought had a good rep as an agency as they always post here on this site. that said, I do not have p411 or date check and that has never been an issue. I gave the standard references and also my ter ID, and even sent them a PM. They then wanted my work phone so they would call me and they had my email as well. in the end I was told that the phone operator(from Verizon) said that my "real" name was not listed on the phone number. I told the agency why should it be as I am not the owner... the agency basically called me a liar and would not approve me.
In short, I gave out more info then I ever had to and it did me no good, now some agency has my info which I do not feel good about. any feedback....
i stopped giving my name to agencies after all headline busts. im sure you are OK, but as a rule, just dont do it. P411 seems more popular than DC, not sure why, if someone can explain its much appreciated. Otherwise, move on if you have to give too much in the way if details.
They verify you, then delete any/all personal information. Once you are in, you are in. I've been a member since 2008. Never had a problem.
If a girl does not accept your P411, find a girl that does, and go from there.
...not really for you gentlemen..but in the case of Nashville, Minnesota and multi times here in Denver..ladies were busted en masse for simply taking the P411 Ok's and not checking further. (LE infiltrates plus took over turned over accts of legit clients with OK's) Gina even says (or use to more in the past) that it is just ONE tool to use. I think it's a great reference EXPEDITOR..that's it. If i see quality women that i already KNOW and can verify your info on their as legit (to avoid a compromised acct)..then it's easier to screen..but i do not use it solely to screen. Ask the 20 or so providers out west here that got arrested whether they take it at face value. NO.
Any system that promises complete anonymity runs a risk to both parties. I've always said BAD BEHAVIOR HIDES BEHIND THE VEIL OF ANONYMITY. over the last 10-15 yrs..providers run with less and less anonymity with the review system/isp tracing on advertising etc..whereas the market plays to men's paranoia and makes $ in businesses promising them it..yet the industry is more and more prone to legal issues Because of it as those meaning entrapment, counterfeiting or harm use it to their advantage.
I think and wish we could go back 12 yrs to only top providers running the top of the ranks due to their history of discretion and professionalism and gentlemen clients who were forthcoming taking advantage of the rewards.
Those (on both the provider and the client side) who wished to "hide" or play games or just be darn unprofessional about it all...could play roulette on the streets again. (after all, wasn't anonymity and immediacy the Appeal of street mongering? ...now it's meshed into the escorting world and it's been somewhat more of a mess than ever for some of us to filter the bad- doer's and entrapment seekers..when our exposure to that crap was so limited long ago.)
I love meeting a new friend..but i don't want to risk my life or livelihood or home in doing so.I can't share intimacy with someone if i have to be "on guard" "nervous" or keep mace, pepper spray or a handgun on hand. My heart breaks every time an escort is killed. (we lost one 2 weeks ago out this way..in an upscale hotel- left a 5 yr old child without a mother.. No one knows who she was meeting. it as an anonymous meeting. RIP)
If a girl does not accept your P411, find a girl that does, and go from there.
Because they are a Canadian company and not subject to the unlawful search and seizures prevalent in the US of A.
Canada is much more progressive in these matters.
to keep themselves (and board owners/verification site owners DC and P411 included) and their girls safe from those meaning harm through entrapment. If they can't verify without a doubt who they are letting into the fold to spend intimate one on one time behind closed doors with their girls..then they can't guarantee that they won't get in trouble, their girls get harmed..and their current client base possibly be at risk to exposure or a bust.
any agency that is discerning and takes that much care into screening..I'd feel pretty safe with if i was a guy. If it's too easy to get into the door anywhere..it will be too easy for LE to get in the door...think about it.
Perhaps that's why the streets were so popular in the past..anonymity..but that's what made them so dangerous also..for both worker and guys. It's hard to see that mentality taking more and more hold in the escort market this past decade.
Stay safe. understand that the process is designed for safety..not because anyone wants to do anything with your information and that sex workers in general are the marginalized ones in regards to safety issues
with appreciation for the concern with providing TMI ... it's definitely more
awkward when you are shot down, no matter how nice a guy you really are.
I appreciate a client who understands that he needs to be verified. I happen to like p411 and i also appreciate references from other girls. I try to explain to my clients that i am not trying to be intrusive but I feel more comfortable when i know a little about the person I will be spending time with. And the more comfortable i feel the better time for us both.
i love the clients who provide the info to verify them in the first or second email it also indicates they are serious about booking.
I had one prospective client that i had been exchanging emails with for weeks and when i counted we had exchanged 43 emails and i got frustrated and emailed him"for the love of god do you want to fuck me or not" he finally got the courage sent me his work info as he had no references and I screwed his brains out.
i love the clients who provide the info to verify them in the first or second email it also indicates they are serious about booking.
I had one prospective client that i had been exchanging emails with for weeks and when i counted we had exchanged 43 emails and i got frustrated and emailed him"for the love of god do you want to fuck me or not" he finally got the courage sent me his work info as he had no references and I screwed his brains out.
But you don't have any info on them. That goes for agency or indy. . I would be less concerned giving info to a 3rd party (p411)but who knows what,where,who that information goes to.
There was a infamous case of a provider posting a hobbyist personal info out here.
Remember there are some crazy people out here. Given references from other providers should be plenty of info to get you in the door.
I use P411 and provider references for verification, and I avoid agencies that want information that I consider private such as last name, employer, work phone, etc... Everyone has to make their own decision on risk, but IMHO giving this is just too risky ... there are just too many stories of people getting caught this way for me to feel comfortable. P411 has some of the same issues, but you only have to do it once and all the data is supposedly stored in Canada away from US LE. I decided this was acceptable but don't want to repeat it a bunch of times with various agencies.
I've found that some agencies are fine with P411 and so I'll occasionally reach out and inquire if they have someone I want to see, but most of the time I just stick with independents. On the other hand I've contacted local agencies who insist on more personal info and in that case I just pass and move on
I have used the one well known agency in the past, but was not a frequent enough of a flier to stay active on their list- and a number of their girls went indy eventually anyway....so I deal with more mature providers who are lower volume, and have a couple that know me well and are willing ot provide references as I need them.
BTW have been traveling for work across much of the US recently- and notice that P411 is universally more known and used than TER- TER seems to have a stronger base here in the East, from my observations- I am only on here myself.....
There is one agency that has been notorious for posting providers info as well as hobbyist info when they get pissed at you.
In short, I gave out more info then I ever had to and it did me no good, now some agency has my info which I do not feel good about. any feedback....