I just read a thread where someone was ISO a provider who would go bareback & everyone was responding with, "OMG YOU ARE AN IDIOT I HOPE YOUR WANG FALLS OFF!"
To which, I totally agree!
But then I get an incredible amount of hobbyists emailing/telling me, "I would totally see you but I'm not a fan of the fact that you don't provide the things I'm looking for." ... I can only assume they mean bare back related activities (BJ's included because you can totally get oral gonorrhea)
SO... what is up with the seeming dissonance?
I can't believe guys pay $400+ per hour for a covered BJ. How's that for dissonance?
Agreed. I'd bet my house and my cars that more "clients" then not prefer, and solely seek out, women who perform uncovered BJs. Especially when you are talking $400+ providers. To say otherwise is utter BS. Now uncovered FS, that's a WHOLE different ball game....
Your body, your decision.
But with a 9.2 rating for looks, which might well be higher if you offered the real thing, you could be charging 600 an hour and you'd probably be booked solid.
To which, I totally agree!
But then I get an incredible amount of hobbyists emailing/telling me, "I would totally see you but I'm not a fan of the fact that you don't provide the things I'm looking for." ... I can only assume they mean bare back related activities (BJ's included because you can totally get oral gonorrhea)
SO... what is up with the seeming dissonance?!
Not BBBJ. Those of us with any working brain cells know how dangerous BBFS is but most of us see much less risk in BBBJ. There have been many posts here about the low risk of STD's from BBBJ but you're right that there is a risk.
I wouldn't pay $400 for CBJ either. I think the consensus is that if you don't want to offer BBBJ, then lower rates should apply. And there are plenty of providers offering BBBJ even at the $300 price point. The last CBJ provider I saw was $250.
Sure, you could get a variety of things if the conditions are just right. But you could also get struck by lightning or get hit by a car crossing the street.
If you want to know what you can do to be nearly 100% safe, PM me. That goes to any other providers out there who are concerned about BBBJs. Peace of mind is important.
There is being safe and risk adverse and then there is being uninformed and paranoid.
She and her husband are both MDs. BB oral is part of the game. Intercourse was condoms only.
They weren't concerned with the risks.
I will say having a skilled surgeon, her, apply a condom is a work of art. Almost as good as the sex.
You look incredibly sexy, but $$$$ for a CBJ kills it for me. Sorry 
that's how I feel. Not interested, even if it were free.
It seems like the overwhelming majority of guys don't think that paying $400 an hour for a session that only includes a CBJ is worth it.
It's your body, and it's your business, but you asked.
For the record, count me in with the herd, I can't imagine booking a $400 session with a woman who only gives CBJ. Your body, your choice. My money, my choice.
But I do hope she's made decisions on her menu based on the appropriate medical literature and not just fearfulness.
I would not pay a lady for a CBJ and Gambler is correct. If it is not an "overwhelming majority" Cocktail-Party, then how would you describe it? Seems like a spot on assessment to me. Thank you.
She was asking why someone would want to engage in BBJ, based on her (miscalculated) risk assessment. If she was stating that she couldn't get any business at her price point, then I'd understand bringing the hammer down. As is, the thread just reeks of guys trying to push her into changing her menu. Not my style.
But I disagree. Quite obviously it was the majority of guys that replied to her post but it is my experience that it is the majority of guys on The Erot. Rev. as well. If you have numbers to show me otherwise I will gladly change my opinion but I fail to see any numbers to suggest guys like or pay for CBJ over bbbj. Gambler was correct. Thanks again.
none of them are hookers.
Adriana Lima, Mila Kunis, Ariana Grande, Blake Lively, Kate Upton, and a few VS girls. That is it.
I would quit this hobby if no BBBJ. True.
She is hardly on my "to do" list regardless of what services she provides. She asked, we answered and this is hardly a new subject. It's been discussed to death, ALWAYS with the same result. The guys here on TER by an OVERWHELMING majority will pay a premium for BBBJ in general and CIM in particular and will avoid women who only offer CBJ.
You certainly have been here long enough to know this. Just do a message search on any regional or national board if you doubt me.
Things.. Not asking if u offer BB....... Do u offer ... Bbbj, Greek, other island trips, role okays etc etc etc... Just ask them to be specific.... But BAREBACK IS GROSS ESPECIALLY w/ strangers!!! SAFETY IS A MUST!!!! I don't get those who actually offer this & where do these "Skanks" offering these services... Ggggrrrrrr!!!!!
Btw FEMALE CONDOMS ARE AMAZING FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO STRAP A CONDOM ON THEIR WILLY!!! All providers should have some on hand!!!! 😁😁😁😁😁😁
HAPPY 15yr ANNIVERSARY TER!!!
XOXO
GC
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You are so right, Gemma. Female condoms are amazing and make the guy feel like it is bareback sex! I wish more providers offered this! As for Allison and her limitations, let's just say she is entitled to run her ship the way she wants and, I might add, is really good at what she does and offers.
This is a business. Plain and simple. Guys will pay for what they want and they will find someone to provide that.
I totally agree BBFS is a no no and the risks involved, but there are plenty of ladies that will quietly offer it under certain circumstances like porn star testing standards. Being around this for so long, I guess BBFS request and finger pointing doesn't shock me anymore. In the end, it always seemed like those guys got more action than me after those finger pointing sessions.
There is nothing wrong with what you provide, you should only provide what you feel comfortable offering. But as you know, some guys will not see you and even make a stink about it. Im sorry to hear you get so many emails about what services your dont offer, but unfortunately, that is the nature of this business.
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Why are so many of us OK with CFS but not CBJ? Sure, relative risk is a huge part of it and BBFS is far too risky but if all we are looking for is to get our rocks off with a hot girl we couldn't get IRL, or at least not in a NSA scenario, then why do the walls go up the second we read CBJ in the review? Obviously I can't speak for anyone else but I'm a pretty normal, run of the mill guy so I'm sure I'm not alone in stating that the BBBJ brings a level of intimacy to what would otherwise be a pretty antiseptic experience. If I were to have a session with a CBJ, no kissing allowed girl it would feel to me like just getting my rocks off, and that isn't (well isn't solely) why I do this. In fact if suddenly tomorrow all providers went to CBJ and no kissing rules I'd be taking golf back up in a heartbeat.
There's no shortage of guys who just need to get laid.
It's more an issue of what feels better at a reasonable level of risk. Look at all the complaints here about condoms and all the reviews from guys who say they can't finish with a hat on. If there was a pill that reduced the BBFS risk to the same level of BBBJ, I'd wager that BBFS would become commonplace. At this point, guys balk at CFS because they know they can find BBBJ easily elsewhere
Part of the problem with the guys not finishing is that far to many ladies buy cheap thick condoms. Maybe those that don't finish fairly easily they should invest and buy good thin condoms and bring them with you. Unopened package/box so everyone is sure its safe.
Hopefully more and more ladies move to using female condoms.
It's more an issue of what feels better at a reasonable level of risk. Look at all the complaints here about condoms and all the reviews from guys who say they can't finish with a hat on. If there was a pill that reduced the BBFS risk to the same level of BBBJ, I'd wager that BBFS would become commonplace. At this point, guys balk at CFS because they know they can find BBBJ easily elsewhere.
I don't do this enough where what I might choose to do (or not do) would constitute a customer shortage!
I would be the first one to insist on it before booking a session, but the fact of the matter is BBBJ while not being 100% risk free is still MUCH less risky that BBFS.
I spend a lot of time in Latin America where for years CBJ has been the rule and not the exception, but I have noticed a trend over the last few years that more and more chicas are now offering BBBJ as more and more gringo customers are insisting on it and moving on to the "proxima chica" if the first one insists on CBJ. I am one of those guys who always asks first, and no matter how hot a chica is, I will pass if she insists on CBJ only.
One time I got a BBBJ and totally gave the provider gingivitis. WHAM! Drop some knowledge on y'all!
I have seen providers who gave out of this world covered bj. Was I disappointed? At first, until I learned what she did. I also had providers who gave bbj that were very uneventful.
One really has to take it on a case-by-case basis. I've had a hot time with some no-kiss/CBJ girls and have been bored with some who offer the full menu. Skills and personality can make up for a restricted menu.
but it is impossible for my to have a session that rises even to the level of being "good" much less great without kissing being involved. No amount of personality in the world can make up for the deflating feeling of moving in for a deep kiss while you feel like you are rocking her world, only to have her turn her head and rebuke you, right in the middle of fucking. Sorry, but there are no skills that can make up for that in my book.
I can overlook a CBJ as I have had some great sessions, both civvie and P4P where there was no BJ at all, not that it wasn't allowed, we just never got to it, but kissing is ABSOLUTELY required for me to completely enjoy myself.
to be completely and totally honest, kissing is a huge part of a session for me. Of course, some are better at it than others (bad kissing can often be corrected, though),but nothing is worse than being told someone wanted GFE, going in to kiss, and being met with resistance/tight lips/a head turn. Not only does it throw me off my game due to confused expectations (I was told you wanted GFE, which includes kissing, and you're not receptive? weird.), but it immediately removes a lot of playful physical elements that go along with kissing that I personally really enjoy.
I am under no pretense about what I do, or why my services are sought out. I do this work because I enjoy it, and full service sessions that don't include kissing aren't as enjoyable. Hell, I try and sneak it in with my kink clients when it's applicable.
Even in civilian life, I've had plenty of experiences where certain acts weren't touched on, but kissing was a major player. I've also had experiences where some of my favorite things were on the table, but kissing wasn't. The playtime that includes kissing is always more rewarding.
I agree that passionate kissing takes it to the next level, but I've also encountered some bad kissers to the point where I'm like, "forget it, I'll just suck on your titties (or other body part - the neck is always good!)." Ultimately, it's all about one's expectations.
I have 3 Medical doctors as clients and one of them is a Urologist. All 3 have told me that Bare Back BJ's do not pose a problem for STD's....unless the girl has a sore or cut in her mouth. Then there is a small possiblity.
I was told that because most of a man's cum shoots down the back of your throat, and goes to your stomach, that the stomach acids are so strong that all the germs are killed immediately.
Bottom line...If you are a Provider with a sore or cut in your mouth, avoid BBBJ's until healed.
SO who what's a BJ?...LOL
Sending my verfication info now