Hello. I am looking for a provider who offers PSE sessions. Up to including bbfs. I am willing to show papers as of a few days ago and would like a provider who could do the same. Thanks and looking forward to hearing from you. PM me please.
26th & California has plenty of talent that enjoy BBFS. 35th & South Michigan Ave also has some talent that enjoy BBFS. Just drive by and honk three times.
Serious replys only sir. No need to be rude with sarcasm and lame jokes.
1) the joke was actually a little funny
2) you put up a board post asking for BBFS and you expect serious replies only? Please send me some of whatever you're smoking, it must be awesome stuff!
Whoever says yes to you, watch out. How do you know she didn't just bare back with the guy before you that same day, and one before him. Her test results only have to be a couple days old, but what about the guys she's seen since?
Those who know how to play on the safer side will blast the BB guys. I say go to Craigslist to find what you're looking for. No one can reply publicly to your posts. But oh my goodness, why wouldn't you want someone to step up and say, "What are you doing?!"
We all need someone like that in our lives. Wake up.
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I agree
Those who know how to play on the safer side will blast the BB guys. I say go to Craigslist to find what you're looking for. No one can reply publicly to your posts. But oh my goodness, why wouldn't you want someone to step up and say, "What are you doing?!"
We all need someone like that in our lives. Wake up.
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I doubt any Provider will go BBFS the first time you meet her. Asking for BBFS the first time won't get you anywhere..
You best chance is to see a Provider on a regular basis with a cover for a few months or so. This way you both get to know each other and build some Trust. Then you can ask her if she'll go BBFS with you. You have a better chance of her saying Yes as opposed to asking right upfront.
Pavlov would have loved to study you
Steer him to your provider.
I realize that it's a controversial subject in this Hobby. But instead of cursing and ranting to those that want BBFS, I'm just giving Advice to those that are looking for it.
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There are plenty of woman in Liberia & Sierra Leone that would be glad to see you.
What are you waiting for ?
Option 2. Go fuck yourself dumb ass !
Medical facility. I can whip anything up in a matter of minutes with Adobe Professional & Excel. SO. Anyone who shows you "papers", (or anyone believing the OP's papers are real,) might as well just inject yourself with AIDS now.
Good luck to all who BBFS. One of the many reasons I don't want to see anyone and everyone who waives those benjamins at me. I guess some of us don't want to die a slow death. Some of also don't want to have to lie to any future lover for the rest of our lives that we've fucked hookers and Johns BB. Or live with the guilt of exposing them.
I guess I just don't understand why you or anyone would want to blatantly play Russian roulette like this. It boggles my mind. Shit, even taking someone home from a bar and doing BB. Hopefully you have some sense and think about this again, ESPECIALLY if you have a family or more than one lover. Yikes!
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but unfortunately you're wasting your breath...er, keystrokes. An ISO for BBFS means stupid, arrogant, nothing to lose, or all three...equally scary possibilities.
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Single malt scotch no rocks, oh fuck it just hand me the bottle, memory is nothing a good black out can't fix...
Lol, I had one Long Island and got bored lol. I'm so boring lol
and nearly passed out, lol. Holy shit, that sucker almos knocked me on my ass! But it does taste like iced tea, I'll give it that much.
Iced tea with sweet and sour and loooove...
And as expected many replies here want to bash you for bringing this up...yet it's the elephant in the room.
As you and ROGM post...you both are active in BBFS here, and I suspect in your private lives. That's fine...as many in the rest of the world (both P4P and civvy) also play without protection.
I have taken a position with P4P that I expect everyone that is here is indeed going BBFS with someone. Tests are of no particular value as others have pointed out to prove your cleanliness. Perhaps you'll never contract any STD...perhaps you will and it'll simply be one that is quite treatable.
Thanks for posting this again as many seem to want to believe that the gal/guy they just saw isn't playing that way. When in reality some are.
Hell...there are plenty of reviews on TER that discuss BBFS sessions. To honestly pretend it's not happening (and frequently) is just naive!
All "we" can do is protect ourselves from those who are willing to risk STD's. Condoms offer excellent protection in most cases. It's a choice...some would never play without protection...and as you and ROGM point out, others will throw caution to the wind.
Never have, except a few years back when engaged & trying to have a baby. After finding out he was sneaking around with nasty girls, I choose not to in any area of my life. Especially now.
So the guess on "everyone" Is incorrect, but many, probably.
"Everyone" has gone BBFS at some point in their life. It's OK...that's why you/I/all others are alive. It's a normal function to have BBFS...it keeps the species relevant!
So the guess on "everyone" Is incorrect, but many, probably.
having sex just one time with an infected person puts you at higher risk than a thousand times with someone who is not.
Calculating the odds is completely impossible, the only truly 100% safe way to have sex (with another person of course) is to only see virgins.
and the good Dr is correct, without BBFS, this would be the last generation of human beings.
At some point? Well yeah, lol. I thought you meant regularly right now. I definitely don't even in civvy life with regular partners because I have multiple partners. (Very multiple at that lol)
So the guess on "everyone" Is incorrect, but many, probably.
I always liked the slutty gals 
So the guess on "everyone" Is incorrect, but many, probably.
Ha, well you're in the right place! Lol
So the guess on "everyone" Is incorrect, but many, probably.
Is she still considered a virgin?
(this isn't a direct response to you, Dr. it's a response in general. I thought it fitting to put here, though.)
Of course BBFS happens. And everyone gets all up in arms about it, condemning those that do it to the moon and back.
The thing of it is, though, is that no one has any say about what a person does with their body except the person living in that body. If two consenting adults want to engage in BBFS P4P, it is none of my business. None. Not one iota of it. Why is it none of my business? Because what my clients do outside of their time with me is none of my business, and what I do outside of my time with my clients is none of their business. I respect my client's privacy, and they respect mine.
So then, how do I ensure my own safety since what my clients do outside of our time together is none of my business? I ensure my own safety by only participating in activities that I'm comfortable with. I ensure my own safety by taking responsibility for it. Be accountable to yourselves. Understand the ramifications of the activities you perform. Don't pawn your personal responsibility to your own safety off on others by condemning them for actions that are literally none of your business.
Everyone has different levels of comfort and concern for their own health and well-being , and those levels of concern vary for many different reasons. Your judgement doesn't change that.
So really, if you're concerned about safety, be concerned about the safety that you can actually control- your own. Preaching and being condescending on a fuck forum isn't going to change someone's worldview. If you are going to preach, at least preach accurately.
You don't catch AIDS. AIDS develops due to untreated HIV. Also, you don't die a horrible, terrible death if you do contract HIV. Most people, civvy or professional, have had or have HPV; the same goes for HSV type 1 and 2. Please. if you're going to preach, be educated and use accurate sources. Stop with the stigma already. It doesn't help with anything.
Those who engage in P4P are already stigmatized enough, yeah?
Strong correction is needed sometimes. At least I feel it is. I'm not going to hate a person as a person for going bare back, in fact the opposite. If someone cares about the well being of others, and see them going about a dangerous practice, they should say something.
I'm sure some of the very people condemning BBFS actually do BBFS. Just like someone trying to hide sin over condemns others to cover their own sin.
I have actually had civvy lovers who have tried to start without a condom. Unfortunately, they got a nice little lecture from me, and some have made it a regular practice. I don't personally think everyone is blatantly saying "screw life", when they do dangerous things. They may not realize, or consider the risk involved.
I absolutely understand what you're trying to say, but there are other issues at hand, too.
When something is happening *to you*, as in someone trying to put it in you without a condom, you have every right to speak up about it. That's your body. Your health. Your concern. Hell, Ive given that lecture numerous times to both civvy partners and potential clients asking me for BBFS. Because it directly concerns my body and my health, and i have every right to protect that. That might also be a good place for education anyway, especially with a civvy partner.
But when its concerning 2 people who have no impact on my health? It's not my business. No one is blatantly saying "screw life or my health", but there might be more pressing issues for a provider than her health. Issues like keeping a roof over her head or feeding children. Other things take precedent, and I for one am not in a place to judge other people's motives.
In a perfect world, everyone engaging in p4p would do so with risk reduction in mind, but its naive to think that everyone has the same values as I do.
And I think I should say what I think to hopefully effect how it effects me. First off, it's a public forum and the public has every right to say something. Second of all, the general public reads this website. I'm on this website. I'm judged by the kinds of websites I advertise on, (example, back page, craigslist, or outside of the web, which corner I stand on...) and I'm treated differently by different types of gents from different sites... Hence, why I don't advertise in certain places. (Definitely no street corners.)
TER is very effective for me, and I want it to continually be effective. If those directly involved in a board spot behavior they don't feel comfortable with, it keeps the site what it is. Otherwise,if anything could fly, and no one 'judged' whatsoever, or held each other accountable, thus would be another site infiltrated by clientele I'm uninterested in seeing. And that is not the kind of site I want to show my ads on. This is a main venue I use to make an income, pay my bills, feed myself, pay for my future, and keep my head above water. So as long as I have the right, I will definitely speak up about issues that hinder my ability to keep this job as low risk as possible.
If everyone turned a blind eye to risky behavior, people would follow those examples.
The masses can be asses. As much as we all like to think of ourselves as able to uphold our own standards, you are who you surround yourself with. We're all dumb sheep following the sheep with the loudest bell.
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Assuming that a client even tells me he's on TER at all, a lot of my clients don't engage on the boards here. If your clientele does, then that's even easier for you to spot potentially risky clients and decide not to see them because they asked for BBFS.
I don't require TER handles for screening, and even if i did, most clients who have TER don't participate on the boards in this manner. Just like clients will actively avoid ladies who advertise BBFS, ladies can actively avoid clients who *requests it publicly*. You have no way of knowing what guys or other providers do behind closed doors (nor, in my opinion, is that anyone's business besides theirs), so you do what you need to do to protect yourself. Everyone should do what they need to do to protect themselves.
Of course when I see a BBFS request, I squick. Because that's not something that I'm comfortable with. But I don't have to be comfortable with it; my body isn't involved. Just like how some people get squicked out by other people's kinks that could also be risky to engage in if done incorrectly.
In kink-land, we have lots of acronyms. The two that are most important are SSC (safe, sane, and consensual), and RACK (risk aware consensual kink). RACK play isn't always safe, but the two parties involved understand and consent to those risks that take place. If someone wants to play that way, they have every right to do so. I might not agree with what they do and vice versa, but at the end of the day, my body and safety aren't affected by someone else's play unless I allow them to be.
What we do here is essentially RACF (risk-aware consensual fucking). The risks are always there. You can decide to mitigate them as best as you can (which is my idealistic hope for all who participate), or you can consensually not mitigate those risks. I have no way of knowing who mitigates risk and who doesn't, so I mitigate MY risk for MYSELF because it's literally the only thing that i have 100% control over.
We just have different viewpoints, and that's okay. I understand what you're trying to get at, but ultimately my worldview is different than yours concerning these things. And that's okay
I'm still surprised when I hear from someone such misinformation regarding the risks.
As you said...some honestly believe nonsense and see no risk. Others know the risks and are willing to gamble that "it won't be them".
But it is entertaining to see the open condemnation of a normal act here LOL
I'm sure some of the very people condemning BBFS actually do BBFS. Just like someone trying to hide sin over condemns others to cover their own sin.
I have actually had civvy lovers who have tried to start without a condom. Unfortunately, they got a nice little lecture from me, and some have made it a regular practice. I don't personally think everyone is blatantly saying "screw life", when they do dangerous things. They may not realize, or consider the risk involved.
I know the risks of BBFS. I'm very careful with Providers I go BBFS. I always get to know the Provider before I even ask for BBFS. Have I been turned down? Sure. My last Provider always insisted on using a cover. I was fine with that because she treated me very well. I saw her for over a year until she moved out of state. I've been seeing my current Provider for well over a year and a half. Have never ever had a problem with her. We have a lot of trust with each other to know that going BBFS is good. I don't see any other Provider except her.
Getting to know a gal is an even more lame reason to justify that she's clean. YOU don't know her...let alone know that she's NOT going BBFS with every dude she sees. YOU only know what she tells you.
Simply own that and all is well.
Oh..and I highly doubt you're the only john she sees. You may not see others, but her livelihood is based on seeing many here.
So yep..you are indeed throwing "caution to the wind".
It's happened to me - while using no condom with someone I'd been in an "exclusive" relationship with.
Trust only so much - ignorance can be the exact opposite of bliss when it catches up to you,
Simply own that and all is well.
Oh..and I highly doubt you're the only john she sees. You may not see others, but her livelihood is based on seeing many here.
So yep..you are indeed throwing "caution to the wind".
I respectfully disagree. I'm very very careful about Providers I go BBFS. I make this decision very carefully. I've been seeing my BBFS Provider for well over a year and a half. She's very careful too. I've had ZERO Problems with her. She's the only Provider I see.
Papers can be falsified, and HIV results can take months to show up positive!!!
To even ask this question is like saying you have NOTHING to lose, as in, for example, "well, I already have ________ (insert variety STD here), so what the hell...That is just scary.
And to say, "But its so hard for me to get off with a condom"...well, think of how hard it will be for you to simply pee when your member is spewing green. Really...over one ride in some with some sewer skewer?!
And no matter how honest I am with you, I can guarantee the guys that were with me (yes, ALL wrapped), were not, so my test results as of today mean zip.
No amount of money would EVER be worth this risk. Ever. Ever, ever
