The bottom line is the touching issue. A legit erotic photographer does not grope, does not kiss, does not fuck, etc. However, I guess if you started out with some filming (which then would be evidence) and as between two consenual adults things just got, well sticky. But that is just too much work. Just follow the KISS method. Kiss, fondle, suck, fuck and pay. If you were prosecuted that would be some serious setting up by a hot vice cop which I'd like to see in court!
(typo corrected)
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I visited Ella who seems to now be based in MN, and previously had just toured here. The following link is to a recent image in her local Backpage ad.
http://bemidji.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/classifieds/EnlargeImage?oid=7074667&image=7080505
This link is to the page in the agency (although she swears they are all independent) web site.
http://www.thegfegirls.com/#!__waiver
She told me that their lawyer created this for them. I wonder if it actually provides them, and possibly hobbyists, a shield against successful prosecution.
I do not believe a legal document can be signed by a "stage name" or other alias. Even if it were, there are a few jurisdictions where ads can be used as evidence (most can not). Model & client could have a perfectly legal photo or art session, no touching. Masseuse & client could do a legal theraputic massage... no sexual play. One could even have a civie sexual affair, with no compensation (though it is going to be difficult to convince a judge it just happened if there was money involved in the relationship some how). No matter.
All these legal prior acts have no bearing, once the line is crossed of sex for money. That NEW act is illegal and supercedes all the contracts, disclaimers, etc.
I would refuse to sign such a document with my real & legal name & genuine signature... should it fall into wrong hands it could be evidence and with a signature no less.
Not going there.
I had an uncle lawyer once who used to say:
"Signing anything always makes matters worse."
...under a lawyer for four years and then take the Bar Exam. No law school required.
The bottom line is the touching issue. A legit erotic photographer does not grope, does not kiss, does not fuck, etc. However, I guess if you started out with some filming (which then would be evidence) and as between two consenual adults things just got, well sticky. But that is just too much work. Just follow the KISS method. Kiss, fondle, suck, fuck and pay. If you were prosecuted that would be some serious setting up by a hot vice cop which I'd like to see in court!
(typo corrected)
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There are a number of providers who have disclaimer at the end of their ad that state something to the effect of "this is not an illegal offer,,,dada dada"
I actually had a provider present a contract, though she didn't ask me to sign anything, a few years ago before a session. I was so convinced I had screwed up and met a "no touch" provider that I started to get dressed to leave. Ended up having an awesome session with her to my delight and surprise, I had read past "ripoff" reports that had that episode follow with a no touch type of session, I was happy when things didn't gop that route.
She really was convinced that the piece of paper was some kind of protection against the efforts of law enforcement.
I held back telling her my opinion that the piece of paper was not going to be a way she could avoid prosecution if she made the mistake of seeing uncle Leo.
I mean can a person who holds up a bank present a card at the beginning of the hold up that says no crime is intended and I cannot be prosecuted because of any actions that follow from this time on then expect to not get arrested and charged and convicted???
Well, the bankers do it all the time and get away with it. Its called a mortgage.
I once signed a similar document at a massage parlor near St. Louis. The only difference is that it was in the middle of the session. I went in, paid my money and went with one of the girls. After a half-hearted massage, about 15 minutes, the lady from the front desk came in and asked me to sign a document that stated the session I paid for was over. The girl then asked the lade if, since they were slow, it was ok for her to stay with me for a "while", which of course it was. I signed a fake name, as the lady advised me to do, and then we had our fun. I never felt it was going to save me if the LE showed up, but thinking back, it was kind of funny.
Totally worthless.
In Phoenix regardless of disclaimer if you have GFE or worse terms in ad or website its an easy solititation of prostitution conviction with mandatory minimum 15 days in jail on 1st offense.
Some agencies have used it in the past - now gals are convicted felons if more than just an indiviual gal since if 2 or more it is a criminal enterprise felony in Arizona and probably similar in most states.