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Do you want to know what I think is funny? A question is asked, but the real answer is not wanted.
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Those asking the questions want affirmation on what they already think they know, but when someone says a reason or two, it's disregarded, and said to be a false reason.

"Based on what I've read above racism on the part of providers is definitely at play (racism on the part of many hobbyists is a given). It seems evident that at least some of the women discriminate based on race and, while they may use fear of pimps or disease as justification, the truth is they just don't want to see AA clients."

 
So the question was asked, and people made suggestions and/or personal experiences stating why, (mine being not seeing Asians at a lower rate due to their many attempts to pimp me,) are evidently lying and making excuses.

Sorry, but pimping is a serious issue, and until you've been close to, or have been pimped, (or are a pimp trying to avoid strong men who can kick the crap out of you and take your girls,) you're just not going to get it, and that's fine.

Just kind of sucks that people have to tip toe around real issues because someone will use hate speech against them, when it may not at all be discrimination. (By definition, it is discrimination of a race, just not always malicious.)

Here's an odd recent occurrence:
I was walking down the street earlier today and saw a black man. I smiled at him, (he was cute lol,) and he smiled back.

Ten feet behind him was a black woman. I tried to smile at her and she wouldn't even look at me.

Immediately I thought, "She doesn't like me because I'm white." Then I though, "Duh, she's probably shy, you idiot. Why does she have to look at you to keep you from being insulted? It's her world. Let her have her alone time."

Same here. Does everyone who isn't white have to smile at me so I don't feel like they think I'm a snobby lilly white girl who feels entitled? I'm the last person who feels entitled to anything, and I'm extremely generous, sharing everything I have to those I care about, some I don't even know. My heart breaks for people who are in pain, in need, or have less than me. I almost can't bare to know it exists. I also try to think the best of people different than me, unless they really fuck me or a friend over. Then I brush them off. But my clothes, my hair, my make up, and my poise give the first and possibly lasting impression that I'm stuck up and selfish, and care only about how awesome I am.

That right there is a problem this world has, and if people could just stop arguing on invisible evidence they pull out of their ass about the intentions of others, everyone would be so much happier, less bitter, and we'd all be eating bon bons and helping each other out instead of blaming everyone for having bad intentions.

I wonder how many people we've gone up to in our lives who tried to do something nice for us, and we told them they were assholes for doing the very thing they thought would help us. It's insane.

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Its strange I am a professional Black man who just moved from Atlanta to Chicago, living on the NW side of the city.  Why does it seem, especially coming from the South that providers are more discriminatory here in Chicago.  I realize the city is very segregated however.  Any insights?  I love women of all races but seems like a tall order here.
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I love me some black men, but I don't love me any man who's reviews are mostly 5's & 6's. screams high maintenance, and very difficult to please.

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Posted By: Courtney.Ova
I love me some black men, but I don't love me any man who's reviews are mostly 5's & 6's. screams high maintenance, and very difficult to please.

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Definitely now discounts and I would not consider myself high maintenance at all. Actually I prefer consistency and like to stick to  ATFs.

Unless they're literally saying that to you.

I don't have any friends who don't see black guys. If it's backpage, it could be pimps trying to avoid other pimps taking their girls. I've heard that one.

Sorry, Courtney, think you just live in more enlightened circle.  Done enough mongering to know many  independents who won't see AA.  As I have been hinting towards, if you limited the issue to well employed educated AA vs. white then the ban on AA makes less sense. I think the reason it is almost a universal rule on backpage is that they often deal with a lower socioeconomic level and their experiences are different than those in the more elite categories such as yourself.

So all possibilities will come out until I hit the right one for him lol.

I'm surprised that a lot of indys don't see AA. Most girls I know personally in Chicago see AA men no problem - or at least have never told me they don't.

Did you know that all indy's are not actually independent? Agencies and even pimps advertise girls as independent. Should the girl ever get caught, she has no where to point. The pimp can easily disappear and not get busted for trafficking multiple girls.

Easy peasy.

The black demographic at very low rates is definitely different. So is the white demographic. Higher rates week out a lot of dangerous peeps, and also pimps. A girl with higher rates knows she can get them, so she's not as targeted by a low end pimp. That's again, another reason a lower priced indy may avoid them. They're always trying to get her to work for him - he will always get her all the business she needs for 25 - 50 percent of her income.

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I am always so intrigued by the business side of this endeavor.  Britain just added prostitution and drugs into GDP calculations because it is such a big business, yet so little is really known about the economics and the business models.  I'm not an economist (or sociologist) but just find the inner workings so fascinating because it operates outside of the traditional box.  In one sense it is an amazing opportunity for individual entrepreneurship and creative marketing.  Those who do it well (such as yourself) should be teaching in business schools.  I'm certain it would be much more practical and students would never miss a lecture.

and getting some racist snide answers. What's up with that? I see a lot of ads with "No AA men". How about some serious answers.

I mentioned nothing about his race, but if you want to pull that card out, go ahead and speculate. I was simply saying it could be something completely different.

His reviews is one thing. (One girl charges $40 for 15 minutes, and he complained about the facility lol. Like - really?) And I hate to say this, but if you want to put reality in the mix, people may stereotype. A black guy asking for discounts may cause some stereotyping. I'm not saying ALL black guys ask for discounts - I'm simply saying if he is black, and asks for discounts, he may have some problems here. Just a question to give a more full answer. It sucks to say it, BUT he is asking for the sake of getting a result - and I'm trying to help him get his results.

But another problem could be that you click on his handle and a huge slew of 5's and 6's comes up. Maybe they deserved those scores, but I wouldn't see someone who scored like that. No thanks, I want to eat lol!

A great example of stereotype that I was trying to suggest (but apparently did a bad job not looking racist??) lol.

Example:  
Black guy asks for discount May have more of a problem than a white guy asking for a discount. Sucks, but it very well may be a stereotype thing.

Just like
A white girl asks a serious question to the OP to give better answer. White girl gets told she's racist.

See? Now if you've ever seen me do a black dude, you may have a very different opinion on my preferences lol.

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Why bother trying to offer a serious answer?

Posted By: Courtney.Ova
I mentioned nothing about his race, but if you want to pull that card out, go ahead and speculate. I was simply saying it could be something completely different.  
   
 His reviews is one thing. (One girl charges $40 for 15 minutes, and he complained about the facility lol. Like - really?) And I hate to say this, but if you want to put reality in the mix, people may stereotype. A black guy asking for discounts may cause some stereotyping. I'm not saying ALL black guys ask for discounts - I'm simply saying if he is black, and asks for discounts, he may have some problems here. Just a question to give a more full answer. It sucks to say it, BUT he is asking for the sake of getting a result - and I'm trying to help him get his results.  
   
 But another problem could be that you click on his handle and a huge slew of 5's and 6's comes up. Maybe they deserved those scores, but I wouldn't see someone who scored like that. No thanks, I want to eat lol!  
   
 A great example of stereotype that I was trying to suggest (but apparently did a bad job not looking racist??) lol.  
   
 Example:  
 Black guy asks for discount May have more of a problem than a white guy asking for a discount. Sucks, but it very well may be a stereotype thing.  
   
 Just like  
 A white girl asks a serious question to the OP to give better answer. White girl gets told she's racist.  
   
 See? Now if you've ever seen me do a black dude, you may have a very different opinion on my preferences lol.

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I here you - But you Just need to know where to look!  and not to look & BP is not it - trust me!  
** most providers not on BP will keep you out of trouble/drama & as long as you have the Roses and are  professional  and a gentleman.  Believe me- There's so many, there's not enough days in the week.

personally I hate those site and prefer referrals

I was hoping someone would bring up this topic.  I am white (like almost clear I'm so white) but I have really noticed this issue and wondered about it.  It seems like almost every ad on Backpage says no AA. With higher end providers I don't see it as much, but I have also talked to a few of them about it and they really prefer old white guys over everyone else.  Being an old white guy this is helpful for me, but makes me a little sad for everyone else.  I would think that if there was any group that would be open minded and non-racist it would be providers, as they are obviously less concerned about following societal norms than most.  Yet, they seem almost more racist than anyone.  So I would really like to know why this is true.  Is it based on actual bad experiences or is it just "conventional wisdom" among providers that AA are poor clients?  Seems like a great study for some horny grad student to look for correlations among hobbyists who are deemed undesirable by providers. What factor(s) are most likely to indicate that an individual would be a poor client - race, age, socioeconomic status,  marital status, educational attainment, family history, physical factors (height, weight, bald)? You could then build a matrix and providers could create a questionnaire for new clients to help them determine how likely they are to be a good client. I know it sounds crazy but marketing companies are making billions of dollars doing exactly that for other businesses - why shouldn't providers use same strategies?

Which brings us back to determining the factors that make up the matrix. If you ask providers to describe their ideal clients (meaning polite, regular, pays well, discrete, low maintenance) I'm guessing that 50ish married college educated short balding chubby white guys with moderate dicks are the golden goose.  Outstanding news for me, but if you don't check off all the boxes which ones are most important? Who falls into tier 2 of clients and then tier 3 and then the "don't touch with a 10' pole" tier? Is that bottom tier rightfully the provence of young AA or are they getting unfairly shafted?  If the latter than it is says something about the continuing prevalence of racism in our country.  If, however, research shows they truly have the least desirable qualities then it should be a wake-up call to African Americans.  I mean if you got $400 and a bulge in your pants and a provider still won't touch you then you got issues you need to deal with.  So there is my holiday gift to grad students - the perfect research study. A study that is guaranteed to generate academic buzz and make a name for yourself, have a potentially lucrative outcome (if you design and sell the decision matrix), and gives you a legitimate reason to hang out with providers all day.  

So, providers, what say you?  Do you have legit reasons or just working off hearsay? If a service were to charge say $25 to prequalify a new prospect as highly likely to be a great client would you do it? Maybe it could be like a credit score and you only date guys with a 680 or higher

It is mainly lower priced girls. Lower priced girls probably have more of a chance of being pimped, or working for a lower end agency - AND - are vulnerable to false promises or even false discouragement.

A pimp or agency is going to want more volume. Lower rates attract higher volume, in the end much more money for the pimp or agency.

A lot of the criteria for a perfect girl to pimp is 'little to no experience preferred'. You know why?? Because the pimp can then 'teach them about the market'. I.E. The girl could be a $400 girl if taught correctly, possibly way more, but the pimp wants girls who are that quality, but don't know it. Returning clients, a lot of clients, possibly 10 in a day, which means more money for them. The girl doesn't even realize that she could net the same amount in a week as an indy with 5 clients if she does it right.

Since the pimp has her in a vulnerable naive state, he also knows she can be lured away just as easily by the next promise. Unfortunately, there are probably a lot of great looking, charming black pimps with chrome wheels ready to promise her a raise and better conditions. (She'll believe anything, right?) Are there white ones? Yes. And there are white female chubby pimps too. But a white chubby female pimp isn't as threatening in the face of a fist fight to keep his girl. A strong, young, black dude can either save a damsel in distress, or beat the puke out of her current pimp, who is most likely in close proximity to his girls.

When I was pimped by a chubby white girl in her late 20's in NC for two weeks, I saw black guys. But I also figured it out pretty quickly that i was being pimped and confronted her. (Bad idea, but I was abandoned and my money stolen, not beat up.)

ALSO - at $180 per hour in NC, or a $60 QV, the white and black clientele is completely different from the $400 er hour - ALL races. I came across some scary big black guys, and I had to turn into a feisty lion to get rid of them. I even had to use an "emergency diarrhea" escape at one point to get out of the situation. These guys were very very rough, and I was twisted like a pretzel continually. (As they say, I guess I don't know my own strength.)  

The $60 minimum clientele was not the same on many demographics as a $400 minimum  clientele, based on what I saw all the way up to a $250 minimum, were shady guys, many of them AA. BUT I also saw some black clients that I still miss, as they were super sweet and complimentary.

So from what I know myself and have heard from others, it's pimps avoiding other (strong) pimps with homies that can help a brother out if he gets into some problems and/or personal experience with the clients at those rates.

I really don't think the OP will have as much as a problem at $350/$400 per hour or more ladies.

Now, who really scare me are the Italians. LOL. They talk all tough and are usually pretty stocky. BUT. They're super hot and I just can't resist... lol

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Whoa, Courtney! What a great post.  Pardon my post above where I questioned your knowledge base.  Here I am stereotyping you as a privileged lily white girl and you came up from the streets.  You go girl!  Your weakness may be Italians but mine is smart chicks.  God your brain is so sexy.  I mean yes, the rest of the package is fabulous, your brain just makes me horny.  How about I come over with my shirt open, a gold chain, and big bowl of linguine with vodka sauce and some cannolis?

I've seen almost every price range, but wasn't in the low low price range for very long. Maybe two months after I went Indy. Even then I was above 200.

And no, one of the last things I am is privileged lily white girl. But I look like one on purpose, and I act like one in some ways. It is an automatic shield against manipulators, scammers, pimps, abusers, and shady people in general. In some way, being 'privileged' is nothing more than being street smart. It keeps you out of the shady business, or at least diminishes a lot of it.

'Privileged' a stereotype they put white expensive escorts in. I, on the other hand, have my rates set because I want a good life, and my rates protect me from a lot of damage, manipulation, and - well - useless emails from people who never book lol. Why can you guys be smart and snobby about your business and clientele, (or even your hookers,) but we can't be?  

We all know it's a good way to do business. All successful business set standards, and that includes prices and payment of those prices - or you're shut down until you pay up, or repair any damage done. I'm not going to charge a low rate renting my very body and soul, and I wouldn't charge $400 per month for an apartment in Chicago - nor would I rent one. We all know how well the tenants take care of cheap apartments. How much more am I going to want someone who cares enough about the value of his dollar - he will also care about what he spent it on. He will also study what he is renting. The rate gives him a rough idea on how that human he is renting is being cared for by previous renters. I would hope most guys think about that stuff.

 
A lot of guys complain that we're dumb hookers, but when we're smart, the guys complain?

PS
Are you Italian? LOL. Perhaps I should do an "Italian discount" like a military discount. Wear your gold chain and we've got a deal.  

JK btw, but fun to think about lol!

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Out of time to play but you are spot on. Love to hear your full story sometime. I'd prefer to think I wasn't renting your soul so much as paying for talents and expertise as I would to a skilled surgeon, though I understand lines get a bit fuzzy here.  Anyways, I believe you (and your fellow professionals) have not only a right but a duty to act as competent business people.  Whenever possible it should be done pleasantly and with civility and, customers being customers, there will always be a bit of niggling about prices and services, but overall both sides should be able to have a good open discussion and allow everyone to arrive at a reasonable economic consensus. I join you in pissing on the haters who shout you down.

Like I said I mostly deal with ATFS and most women I deal with are discreet and do not even live to be reviewed on TER.  If you must know.  I reviewed mostly women friends recommended and has no bearing on how much I am willing to spend.  I clearly understand that you get what you pay for but also in that respect, if higher end women choose to discriminate, some, not me, may be relegated to women offering less.  It is already known in the industry if unspoken that White providers will charge more than their AA counterparts even if they come from the same SECs or have the same education etc. Just foo for thought.

I just imagine a higher end lady of all colors who works hard to attract the right clientele who would be attracted to her looking at those scores, thinking "This guy is not happy with anyone. He's not going to be happy with me either."

The scores just aren't jiving with me. Sorry.

Lower end will take the money. Screw the scores lol. Spend what you want to spend. If the AA ladies are saying no AA, that's one thing - but if you are introducing yourself as AA, and getting "Sorry, not available," and no reason attached - it may very well be your reviews.

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No one I called knows about my reviews.  I have other ways of being verified that by TER reviews.  My ATFs vouch for me. I think Allison has addressed what I was curious about but I thank you.

GaGambler898 reads

what I cannot support is trying to redefine the word to make one feel better about oneself. If a person wants to be a racist, it's a free country, and what can be a more personal decision that the right to fuck or not fuck whoever you want to?

That said, if a woman doesn't want to fuck black guys, why even bother trying to claim she not a racist? No one with half a brain buys the excuses, and from a practical standpoint why should she care what "those people" think anyhow?

and Courtney, for the record there are a LOT of women at your price point with NBA policies, just check out P411 or any other escort mall if you doubt me.

I have come to know many Italians in Chicago and across the states and they are by far NOT scary at all.
You have to be raised an Italian or around us to feel the comfort . But many of us are not respected and I will
leave it at that

Littlestinker1097 reads

It is a ladies choice who she chooses to share her body with and she is entitled to have that choice.
   
             What ever race she prefers that does not make her a racist.  
   
 I know black women who only date black men does that make them racist. Hell No !
 
           Having a personal preference does not make you a racist.

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GaGambler1071 reads

If anyone had any doubts about racism being alive and well in Chicago,  this thread should remove all of those doubts.

I love watching you guys twist yourselves into pretzels trying to explain racism as a legitimate response to potential STD's

I believe in a woman's right to see whoever the fuck she wants to, and if that includes not seeing me for whatever reason she wants to come up with  that's her right, but please don't try to claim that all these "NBA" policies are racist in nature. It's insulting to any one with the least amount of common sense.

and yes, black women who only date black men are every bit as racist as white women who only date white men. To exclude someone strictly because of his/her race is the very definition of racism, no matter how hard you try to change the meaning of the word to justify your behavior.

GaGambler867 reads

I am usually on the other side of this argument and personally I can't stand the "race baiters" who look for racism under every rock like most white liberals and a few actual black people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, but to deny racism exists and to try to change the very meaning of the word to justify ones behavior is complete fucking bullshit and I repeat that this very thread and many of the responses to your OP are proof positive that racism is alive and well in the Windy City.

Some of you guys' (and gals" should be ashamed of your double speak and covert racism, I would rather have to overt racism that you get from a southern redneck than the closet racism you see from white bread liberals. At least the redneck is honest about the way he feels and that's something you can deal with, You cowards who talk about equality, but would never dream of associating with "those people"  except when you have to, you people disgust me.

Courtney, I do enjoy what you write.  Your honestly inspires. Which is why I am writing this, which may not go over well (or might!)

When we first started, a gentleman wrote us and had a great roleplay.  We were way into it, and then we get an email from him letting us know he was black and make sure that was ok.  We were honestly confused.  He could of been purple.  We were into his scene.  But that was our choice, and it is a personal one.  Just like ladies who set client restrictions.  It's their choice.  

Betsy and I see people of all colors and genders - but we don't have to.  And neither does anyone else.  We also turn down sessions sometimes because we don't think it will be fun for us.  Doesn't mean he won't rock someone else's world!

We are not a fast food restaurant, and if ladies feel that way - they must be very unhappy in session.  And if hobbyists think they are - well....let's just say they don't hold much respect for providers.

When did our services become some kind of social statement?  Why is there such a knee jerk "racist' and scorn associated with refusing services to AA men?  Or men under 30?  Or ladies who don't see couples or women?  We are not machines, and our services are very personal.  

Are hobbyist harassed for their choice in providers?  Is a hobbyist racist if he doesn't see black providers?  Age-ist if he only sees younger providers?  Is he a fat shamer if he only sees thin providers?  No, he likes what he likes.  AND THAT IS AWESOME.  

See, just because we hang up our provider sign does not mean the world owns us.  It does not mean we have to see everyone.  And providers certainly shouldn't have to explain themselves on who they will or will not see.  

And to the OP - if you can't find a lady to see you, it's not cause you are black.  There are too many great ladies who see AA clients.  This is fact.  You are spoiled for choice.

Now I am getting my round ass ready for some sexy time, because see - that's what it is all about

It's understandable why you would be confused or insulted. I personally see all races at my rate. I've found the rate is a better protected than a race preference.  

I still am wondering if all the ladies you're trying to book with are flat out telling you it's because you're AA, and not some other reason.

Thanks Courtney,
 Honestly I haven't made any attempts.  I was making an observation based on what I have seen and what fellow hobbyists have told me.   I have ben successful but wanted to see other people's perspectives.

Cheers

Posted By: Courtney.Ova
It's understandable why you would be confused or insulted. I personally see all races at my rate. I've found the rate is a better protected than a race preference.  
   
 I still am wondering if all the ladies you're trying to book with are flat out telling you it's because you're AA, and not some other reason.

Thought this was a real issue for you. Still it prompted a good discussion.

LOL my sincere apologies.... It is a real issue but not really one for me.  Still studying the Chicago landscape.  Your responses were quite insightful though.  Cheers

When you do start trying, keep us posted. There are hundreds and hundreds of providers in this city. Just maybe try to find ladies you research at any price point you want, but research her and try hard to get ladies you feel are more than 6's in looks. that alone will make your life a lot easier. I'm not saying dish out free 8's 9's and 10's, but girls you think may have a good shot at being super attractive to you may help you score higher too. and htere are hot girls at all price points. Just start with reviews, or maybe ask some of your friends you have has success with.

Just a suggestion.
 

Posted By: Black_Lynx
Thanks Courtney,  
  Honestly I haven't made any attempts.  I was making an observation based on what I have seen and what fellow hobbyists have told me.   I have ben successful but wanted to see other people's perspectives.  
   
 Cheers  
   
Posted By: Courtney.Ova
It's understandable why you would be confused or insulted. I personally see all races at my rate. I've found the rate is a better protected than a race preference.    
     
  I still am wondering if all the ladies you're trying to book with are flat out telling you it's because you're AA, and not some other reason.

now..now kids..let's be nice..

I always thought it was because of your gynormous wangs. It's true, I've showered after games with black teammates.

Society and the media has done a great job of convincing us that all Black people are criminals, all Asian women are submissive, all Asian men have tiny penises, all Mexicans are illegal, all Indians own 7/11s and all kinds of stereotypes that you have internalized without realizing it. Consider why your preferences align perfectly with who society deems undesireable. Could it be because you were TAUGHT that Black people are ugly and thugs and pimps and criminals? Could it be because you've been bombarded with messages that otherize and exoticize every race except white? Everyone has some deconstructing to do, hell, I went through a long phase where I thought I was "better" than other Black people because I have light skin and a white dad. Really THINK about why you think one or two experiences with members of a certain race represents how their entire race--millions of people--behave. Look at yourself, look at what you've internalized. Racism is alive and well and if you're not actively fighting it not only within yourself but when you see it, then you're contributing to its continuation.

You make valid points about racism being alive and well. There's no doubt about it but if you believe that every guy here picks providers based on their race, you're wrong. I pick providers based on my preferences of beauty, body, personality, and rates and I'm sure there are many others doing the same. In fact, I think the majority of guys pick this way.

You're exhibiting the angry black woman stereotype in this thread. The conversation should be about sex but you've turned it into a discussion about racism in America and whites vs every other race. You're half white by your own words - are you prejudiced against your own father for being white? I have no doubt you've experienced racial discrimination but you can't lay the blame on every white person and conclude that all of us are racist. You seem to want to make us feel guilty for being born white and that we owe you something personally because you weren't. We are what we are and we make the best of it.

You're making us afraid to see you because we're bound to make some unwitting remark you'll consider racist thereby ruining the session. I don't see providers who I feel I'll be walking on eggs around. You're coming off as that type of provider. I still think highly of you, you're obviously intelligent and have the physical traits that I like but the personality you're exhibiting in this thread is a little scary. No guy wants the angry black woman experience unless he's into it as part of some fetish. I'm not on a fuck board to fight racism, I'm here looking for hot sex with the least amount of drama possible. If you believe white men are inherently racist, then don't see white men. I can say with confidence that you're wrong if this is your assumption but it's your body and you get to choose who you share it with. I'd never see a girl who already has something against me because I was born white.

I never said men pick their providers based on race, so I'm not sure why you're putting words in my mouth. The "Angry Black woman" stereotype is just that, a stereotype, and it's incredibly racist on its own. Why isn't Courtney being called an angry white woman? Why do I have that label assigned to me because I'm showing passion about something that obviously affects me? I have no desire to make anyone feel guilty because of their race, but I do tend to avoid people who deny that racism is a problem in this country and even more so in this industry.  

My relationship to my parents is none of your concern, but, I will say that plenty of men have reached out to me both in past threads where I've gone off about race and in response to this one commending me for speaking up, so, regardless of what you think about how my posts come off to others, I'm doing just fine. Once again, you're putting words in my mouth by saying I think white men or people in general are inherently racist. Please point me to where I said that. Please also point me to where I said I dislike white people or that any woman, including myself, has no right to do with her body what she pleases.  

I don't know what you talk about during your sessions, but I don't make it a habit of bringing up race relations when I'm with a client who has chosen me to spend his time and money on, regardless of what race he may be, so the idea that you'd be "walking on eggshells" is laughable. This is a public forum, a meeting of the minds, if you will, and while this thread may have started out being about sex, there's an obvious reason the initial question was even posed, and I've taken the liberty of pointing it out. If you disagree with me to the point that you don't want to see me, that's fine, but, I've agreed with everything you've said in this thread, and while we obviously lead different lives, we at least seem to be on the same page, here, so, why would I have any reason to be the "angry black woman" with someone who at least gets what I'm saying on a base level?

All that said, I have no issues with white people--or anyone--who have no issues with me. My father is white, every man I've ever dated was white, 99 percent of my clients are white, and most of my friends are white. If you find my passion about an issue that has quite literally shaped my life and experiences "scary," that's your right. I'd never force a man who's uncomfortable with me to see me, just like I'd never force a woman who's uncomfortable with Black men to see them. But I invite you to consider why. Why does my passion discourage you from seeing me, but you've said nothing to Courtney or the other people in this thread who have quite literally said actual racist things? Why am I--seemingly the only Black person in this thread other than the OP--the target? Am I really in the wrong here for encouraging people to evaluate their deep seeded ways of thinking? You said yourself I make valid points.

Posted By: Polish_Pirate
You make valid points about racism being alive and well. There's no doubt about it but if you believe that every guy here picks providers based on their race, you're wrong. I pick providers based on my preferences of beauty, body, personality, and rates and I'm sure there are many others doing the same. In fact, I think the majority of guys pick this way.  
   
 You're exhibiting the angry black woman stereotype in this thread. The conversation should be about sex but you've turned it into a discussion about racism in America and whites vs every other race. You're half white by your own words - are you prejudiced against your own father for being white? I have no doubt you've experienced racial discrimination but you can't lay the blame on every white person and conclude that all of us are racist. You seem to want to make us feel guilty for being born white and that we owe you something personally because you weren't. We are what we are and we make the best of it.  
   
 You're making us afraid to see you because we're bound to make some unwitting remark you'll consider racist thereby ruining the session. I don't see providers who I feel I'll be walking on eggs around. You're coming off as that type of provider. I still think highly of you, you're obviously intelligent and have the physical traits that I like but the personality you're exhibiting in this thread is a little scary. No guy wants the angry black woman experience unless he's into it as part of some fetish. I'm not on a fuck board to fight racism, I'm here looking for hot sex with the least amount of drama possible. If you believe white men are inherently racist, then don't see white men. I can say with confidence that you're wrong if this is your assumption but it's your body and you get to choose who you share it with. I'd never see a girl who already has something against me because I was born white.

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