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Re: It depends on your method of contact
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Posted By: crsm27
You are correct the only thing on the statement will be XYZ Company and amount taken.  
   
 But in the USA.... if a provider is busted for engaging in prostitution.   They will look into all of her assets, companies, websites, and what not.   So they will see what XYZ Company is doing and who are their clients or whom they have had transactions with.   CC companies need to provide that info when asked for by the court.    To me that is the issue.    Again they have no idea what was the transaction.   But they will dig into it and question everyone.   It could be as simple as a phone call... or it could be knocking on your door.    That is something I just wouldn't want to deal with.  
   
 This is a worst case scenario.
Eliot Spitzer, is that you?  ;)

Seriously, the ONLY hobbyists who should be concerned about leaving a paper "trail" are POLITICIANS (like the aforementioned Mr. Spitzer) or CELEBRITIES.

Yet, even with celebs, the only ones who should really be concerned are those who place themselves "morally" ABOVE others, i.e. Josh Duggar or Bill Cosby.  Otherwise, how many times HASN'T it been revealed that a celeb was also a hobbyist (Lamar Odom, anyone?)

Aside from those unique examples, I see no need to fear leaving a paper "trail."

Do you gents have a preference when it comes to compensation?  While I know that using credit poses a potential security threat and leaves a trail, it's also more convenient (plus, you can amortize the cost of a extended visit over the course of months, rather than having to make one lump sum payment!).  Which do you gents prefer and recommend?  Thx.  :)

definitely cash- worried about the paper trail, plus the security risk-  if you are a little short on money you can always use credit card for cash advance- I know there will be a little more fees with the advance depending on what card you use but so if costs you an extra $50 its still worth it

Always cash...like said earlier no paper trial! But I've actually been thinking about switching over to credit to spread out the hit an get cash rewards to boot!

Posted By: PANAMAREDD
...I've actually been thinking about switching over to credit to spread out the hit an get cash rewards to boot!
I likes the way you think, Panama!

Always cash.

The paper trail is # 1 issue for me.    Think about it if worst case situation where the provider gets arrested or records gets seized.    Now you are on the radar for the LE.    Now they cant prove it was sex for money.   But you will be investigated, and questioned thoroughly.    So that is why cash is king in this hobby an also for everything.    

then the security risk as well.    But that is peanuts compared to above IMHO.   Because using your CC at a gas pump is risky in todays world

Thanks for the response, guys!  I know money can be a SENSITIVE issue on this board, and it can be a bit difficult to be DISCREET about it, but it's good to see that at least a conversation was started.

As for security/paper trails, I'm NOT talking about using alternative methods of payment with a run of the mill provider.  I'm talking about doing so with the WELL established, reputable representatives of providers who are often featured on this forum.  They've been in business for awhile, so I have to assume that they SPECIALIZE in discretion.  I also don't like carrying around currency.  I rarely do anymore, and conduct almost ALL my transactions electronically (as most of the world is moving towards as well).  I don't see why I shouldn't proceed accordingly when booking a PS, especially when dealing with said well known, reputable providers, who I also assume have the process in place to manage such transactions.

There have been well know providers and madam's getting busted in the past.

Now lets say they use a 3rd party like Paypal or something like that.  I might consider it.

Because IMHO is more safe and giving the provider or booking agent your direct CC number or financial institution info.   Because that will make the paper trail even longer and harder to figure out.

But again you can do what you want and I understand that you are using well verified providers.   That would make things feel a little more comfortable

It depends on the amount, the location and other factors.  For example, if I'm traveling, and far from my bank, and I have a chance to see an escort (porn star or otherwise) and don't have the amount of money she wants in cash, being able to use a credit card is a great thing.  I missed out many years ago from seeing a MAJOR porn star of the 80s because I didn't have the cash.  If the agency had taken credit cards...

Also in Europe, Australia and other places where it's either legal or at least tolerated (not the U.S.) then using a credit card has no down side for me.

So, it all depends...

Posted By: mrfrench
It depends on the amount, the location and other factors.  For example, if I'm traveling, and far from my bank, and I have a chance to see an escort (porn star or otherwise) and don't have the amount of money she wants in cash, being able to use a credit card is a great thing.  I missed out many years ago from seeing a MAJOR porn star of the 80s because I didn't have the cash.  If the agency had taken credit cards...  
   
 Also in Europe, Australia and other places where it's either legal or at least tolerated (not the U.S.) then using a credit card has no down side for me.  
   
 So, it all depends...
Mr. French, your well informed opinions are always welcome.  As for legality, EVEN in the U.S., the legal system almost always favors the client in this business.  Besides, what we are describing is the provision of a service from one ADULT to another.  WHAT the nature of that transaction is, is REALLY only known by the two individuals engaged in said transaction.  I'm not sure how services are described on one's monthly credit statement (having never used credit in these types of transactions), but I highly doubt they provide much more detail than a purposely vague "for services rendered."

You are correct the only thing on the statement will be XYZ Company and amount taken.

But in the USA.... if a provider is busted for engaging in prostitution.   They will look into all of her assets, companies, websites, and what not.   So they will see what XYZ Company is doing and who are their clients or whom they have had transactions with.   CC companies need to provide that info when asked for by the court.    To me that is the issue.    Again they have no idea what was the transaction.   But they will dig into it and question everyone.   It could be as simple as a phone call... or it could be knocking on your door.    That is something I just wouldn't want to deal with.

This is a worst case scenario.

Posted By: crsm27
You are correct the only thing on the statement will be XYZ Company and amount taken.  
   
 But in the USA.... if a provider is busted for engaging in prostitution.   They will look into all of her assets, companies, websites, and what not.   So they will see what XYZ Company is doing and who are their clients or whom they have had transactions with.   CC companies need to provide that info when asked for by the court.    To me that is the issue.    Again they have no idea what was the transaction.   But they will dig into it and question everyone.   It could be as simple as a phone call... or it could be knocking on your door.    That is something I just wouldn't want to deal with.  
   
 This is a worst case scenario.
Eliot Spitzer, is that you?  ;)

Seriously, the ONLY hobbyists who should be concerned about leaving a paper "trail" are POLITICIANS (like the aforementioned Mr. Spitzer) or CELEBRITIES.

Yet, even with celebs, the only ones who should really be concerned are those who place themselves "morally" ABOVE others, i.e. Josh Duggar or Bill Cosby.  Otherwise, how many times HASN'T it been revealed that a celeb was also a hobbyist (Lamar Odom, anyone?)

Aside from those unique examples, I see no need to fear leaving a paper "trail."

Not true at all...

Leaving a paper trail is BAD.  

Many years ago, when LE wasn't as aggressive as they are these days, before AIDS, and before I had all this knowledge that I racked up over the years, I paid for services from a New York agency (now long gone) with a credit card.  About a year later, they were busted.  I got two phone calls within about two weeks: one from the agency asking if I would testify in court on their behalf that all they offered was non-sexual escort services... and the other from the New York Police Department, who wanted me to explain what I paid for - they had the name, date and credit card information.  They might not have charged me, but it was definitely awkward.  I told them (on the advice of a lawyer) that if they had any evidence of wrongdoing to feel free to arrest me or get a warrant but until they did, I was not going to answer their questions.  They never called back

Posted By: mrfrench
Not true at all...  
   
 Leaving a paper trail is BAD.    
   
 Many years ago, when LE wasn't as aggressive as they are these days, before AIDS, and before I had all this knowledge that I racked up over the years, I paid for services from a New York agency (now long gone) with a credit card.  About a year later, they were busted.  I got two phone calls within about two weeks: one from the agency asking if I would testify in court on their behalf that all they offered was non-sexual escort services... and the other from the New York Police Department, who wanted me to explain what I paid for - they had the name, date and credit card information.  They might not have charged me, but it was definitely awkward.  I told them (on the advice of a lawyer) that if they had any evidence of wrongdoing to feel free to arrest me or get a warrant but until they did, I was not going to answer their questions.  They never called back.    
   
 
I said before you were one of the FEW wise voices on this board, and here you come and prove it.  Well, you certainly opened MY eyes.  Yeah, while I might not rule it out completely (after all, aren't we ever evolving towards a cash-LESS society?), you DEFINITELY gave me something to give pause and think about.  Thanks for the EDUCATION, Mr. French.  Continued happy (and safe) hobbying to you, sir!  :)

Posted By: lololancer
Mr. French, your well informed opinions are always welcome.  As for legality, EVEN in the U.S., the legal system almost always favors the client in this business.  Besides, what we are describing is the provision of a service from one ADULT to another.  WHAT the nature of that transaction is, is REALLY only known by the two individuals engaged in said transaction.  I'm not sure how services are described on one's monthly credit statement (having never used credit in these types of transactions), but I highly doubt they provide much more detail than a purposely vague "for services rendered."
Are you aware that the card companies now monitor your charges?  MC, Visa and American Express ALL monitor every transaction, without the card holder's knowledge or consent, justifying it as a way to prevent fraud.  If they were to identify a particular transaction as "illegal" they would deny the charge and/or report it to the police.  I don't know about MC or Visa, but I know American Express no longer allows charges that are from "adult" businesses, and if they identify a business as adult or sexual, they DO deny the charge, AND they drop the business so that the business can no longer put charges through Amex

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Posted By: lololancer
Do you gents have a preference when it comes to compensation?  While I know that using credit poses a potential security threat and leaves a trail, it's also more convenient (plus, you can amortize the cost of a extended visit over the course of months, rather than having to make one lump sum payment!).  Which do you gents prefer and recommend?  Thx.  :)

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