Not only from a safety standpoint but a marketing one. If they are willing to provide BBFS, why wouldn't they setup a situation where they demand blood test results, from a testing center of their choice, and limit the amount of clients they see to around 10. By doing so, this "club" could then minimize the risks of STIs greatly, sort of like porn. The providers could then charge upwards of 1000 or more, per session, for club members, instead of the 180 to 200 or whatever half baked Holly Halfwhit charges now for a rump with Chlamydia Carl.
I'm a bit alarmed at the amount of bareback FS I've been reading about in reviews of late. One provider in particular has numerous reviews offering as such, and ever since her reviews have skyrocketed as clients are running to take a dip apparently. In my humble opinion, that's kinda nuts. If a provider is offering bareback FS, and numerous clients are writing about it, there are probably 50x that number getting it who aren't writing a review. Just asking for trouble....
I've been in the hobby for some time now, and never would I think to see a provider who basically advertises bbfs. I have a couple regular ladies I see. One in particular I've been seeing for years, and she has always been a low volume provider as she works a normal job. After years of seeing each other, and developing a sort of "relationship" (I'm not stupid, I realize it's about the money/service, but over time you get to know people somewhat well & genuine friendships can develop), we did bbfs. I was hesitant at that even. But having to gotten to know her over many years and realizing this wasn't a common occurrence whatsoever for her, we gave it a try.
Thoughts? Don't get me wrong, I LOVE a great cim/cof experience, but when you start running to a provider who offers cream pies, you're just asking for trouble.
Not only from a safety standpoint but a marketing one. If they are willing to provide BBFS, why wouldn't they setup a situation where they demand blood test results, from a testing center of their choice, and limit the amount of clients they see to around 10. By doing so, this "club" could then minimize the risks of STIs greatly, sort of like porn. The providers could then charge upwards of 1000 or more, per session, for club members, instead of the 180 to 200 or whatever half baked Holly Halfwhit charges now for a rump with Chlamydia Carl.
The girl I'm seeing gives me BBFS. We've become friendly since our first meeting. I've been seeing her without a cover for well over a year with no problems at all. I asked her for BBFS after seeing her for about 3 months once a week. She was a bit scared but agreed. She does not advertise as doing BBFS. If a girl is offering BBFS right from the start, I would not see her.
To the rest of the board;
Your observations go to show that alot of Guys would rather go BBFS. even though they say they are against it. If you find a Girl that will go BBFS and she's Clean, then I see no problem with it. But if you prefer a cover then that's fine. But don't Flame those that like going BBFS.
ROGM has referred to this escort, if she even exists, as "my provider" and "my girl". Who is this provider? Why don't you mention her name? Since you refer to her as the "my girl" and "the girl I'm seeing", is she your girlfriend? If she's not your girlfriend, why do you refer to her with such terms? Could it be that you think the relationship is more than it is? Regardless, could you please tell us who she is, so I know to stay away from her? An escort offering up BBFS is bad enough....but if she's offering it up to you, that makes her even more dangerous and I want to stay FAR away from her! This, of course, assumes that she even exists.
Are you still driving her around?
Just do your BBFS STFU about it? Someone new to this might think a few repeat visits is all it takes to go bareback and get offended when it doesn't happen...and the moreso when they can't get BBFS for $100 as you boast so frequently of doing with "your girl." You're a liar, you're bad news and it's a GD shame you can't be shut up before you do some real damage in this realm. Asshole.
Unprotected sex should be reserved for monogamous relationships on both ends. I.e. You both haven't had sex with anyone else but each other for months and months and both have been thoroughly tested,
Never trust anyone to keep YOU safe.
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The possible result is so horrendous it's worth ZERO risk to most of us and it is insanely risky on the girl's part.
However... The risk of a man contracting HIV from vaginal sex are minuscule, even among known serodiscordant couples.
(One beau of mine is actually an AIDS researcher, he's never asked for that, but we do talk stats sometimes.)
Who wants ANY STD? I can't imagine explaining an STD to the SO, she'd kill me before the STD did.
ROGM and his BBFS buddies are taking a big risk which they apparently feel is worth it. Maybe he'll get her pregnant and end up paying child support for 18 years.
Why is this to me?
A guy didn't like female condoms, so I must be using them wrong or my vagina must be misshapen; I think people shouldn't glibly cite specific things about someone else's religion, so I'm calling people Buddhists (or something); and now you're arguing a point I MADE about risks, I guess because my statement of fact should've covered all bases or had a disclaimer?
You guys need to get laid. :P
I was agreeing with you, just expanding the disease risk beyond what you said about HIV to all STDs. How you took that the wrong way I don't know.
You need to be a bit less thin skinned and not take everything so personal if you wanna play on this testosterone laden board.
my estrogen flare ups. :
Won't ever happen. She has an IUD.
Yep, you keep on believing that....
I've been seeing providers, off and on, since 1983, or 31 years. I've been having sex a lot longer, since 1967, not quite 50 years. In all that time, the ONLY time I ever got an STD (the clap) was in 1970s from a non-provider (one of three women I had sex with won a fairly spectacular Thanksgiving on which I was invited for breakfast, lunch, and dinner to three different women's houses, and had sex with all three, one giving me an extra "present."). I long ago lost track of how many providers I've seen, after it passed 100 in the early 90's. In those early years, long before massive use of the Internet, I literally didn't run into any who used condoms, except one. It wasn't a topic that even came up in conversation, except that once. I never got an STD from a provider. I bet there are a lot of both hobbyists and providers doing bareback, many of whom won't post on here about it, and I bet DopeMan will get a slew of private emails from guys on here asking which provider he is talking about. TER should drop the hypocrisy and just add bbfs to the services that can be listed on a providers profile. That way those who want that can search for it, and, on the contrary, those who want to avoid that can avoid those providers. We're all adults here, let people make their own decisions.
Every couple of months someone starts in with the **ZOMG BBFS**. We all know it's going on, I'm sure a lot of people here have done it and hardly any will ever admit it. No shortage of hypocrites around here. It's the elephant in the room that everyone is pretending isn't there.
Whether it's right or not is really up to whoever is participating. If you're ok with it, fine, if not, also fine. Nobody is telling you that you shouldn't wear a condom if you want to (which is the best way apart from abstinence to prevent STDs, so what's your concern about what other people do?
All I can say is that if you're a germaphobe or this paranoid about people doing BBFS when you can protect yourself by not doing anything uncovered, then this probably isn't the lifestyle for you. Just like someone who is afraid of flying shouldn't become a pilot.
Whether it's right or not is really up to whoever is participating. If you're ok with it, fine, if not, also fine. Nobody is telling you that you shouldn't wear a condom if you want to (which is the best way apart from abstinence to prevent STDs, so what's your concern about what other people do?
All I can say is that if you're a germaphobe or this paranoid about people doing BBFS when you can protect yourself by not doing anything uncovered, then this probably isn't the lifestyle for you. Just like someone who is afraid of flying shouldn't become a pilot.
I agree with you. This subject brings out all the Anti - BBFS Morons out of the Woodwork. I'll admit I get BBFSCIP from the Provider I'm seeing. Been seeing her like that for well over a year with ZERO PROBLEMS. I guess being Anti - BBFS makes these Morons look good in front of the Ladies. I don't Flame those that want to use a Condom. I just prefer not to.
The attitude of maybe44712 and holdmybearclaw is selfish and shortsighted. Millions of men have died from HIV acquired from BBFS. HIV is less deadly than it used to be because of safe sex practices. It is transmitted more slowly than it used to be, so the virus has mutated to allow the infected to live longer. If BBFS becomes more common, then HIV will likely become more deadly again, and it won't just be the fools who insist on BBFS who will die.
Also, a strain of drug resistant gonorrhea has been found in Japan. There is no known cure. It is only a matter of time before it spreads to the US, and it will spread more quickly if more providers offer BBFS.
The situation is similar to the case of these anti-vaccine nuts, where their refusal to get their kids vaccinated endangers others besides their kids. Neither vaccination nor safe sex is are perfect at preventing disease and this means that maybe44712 and holdmybearclaw are endangering more than themselves and the providers that they see.
Also, a strain of drug resistant gonorrhea has been found in Japan. There is no known cure. It is only a matter of time before it spreads to the US, and it will spread more quickly if more providers offer BBFS.
The situation is similar to the case of these anti-vaccine nuts, where their refusal to get their kids vaccinated endangers others besides their kids. Neither vaccination nor safe sex is are perfect at preventing disease and this means that maybe44712 and holdmybearclaw are endangering more than themselves and the providers that they see.
So you're saying everyone in the World should stop having Sex?
What? Can't you read? I'm just saying that people with many sexual partners endanger more than themselves if they engage in BBFS.
If the AIDS epidemic came back because people stopped practicing it here and everywhere.
Because the more I listen, the more I hear about people having unprotected sex with absolutely NO second thought.
It's insane how much that shit is going on IRL. People look at condoms like, 'what's that?' I ask, 'are you fucking kidding me?'
This is the only place I go where everyone gets it. (With me at least.)
There are a hell of a lot of people who are smart enough to have and keep amazing jobs and make tons of money, but they don't utilize their knowledge of history or sex education when it comes to avoiding deadly, extremely painful (and expensive) diseases, (for their own bodies and the partners they know.)
Sorry, but if I pull out a condom and you go, 'oh, I've never used those,' and play stupid, saying you're not informed of what's out there, don't call me a dumb hooker, bc you're the real jackass passing that shit around with no thought.
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1. Who said I was barebacking? Not me. Please read and comprehend before you start the histrionics.
2. It's actually absolutely nothing like the anti-vaccination nutjobs. What an illogical analogy.
3. My statement about germaphobes and paranoiacs seems to be proven.
If you're worried, cover it up or don't sleep around. It's that simple.
Here's a provider with some interesting reviews in this regard. Two out of the three reviews say condom optional. Not only that, but she's cheap ($80) and doesn't sound like she does extreme "screening." Cool potatoes. http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/show.asp?id=258387
mention putting on a cover; which many reviews don't because they forget when writing their review. You can't believe everything in a review, so best to connunicate with the provider instead of throwng out accusations.
If you read the reviews, rwo reviews say specifically that she does not require a condom, one was startled that she started to put his dicxk inside her without one. And you are reading something into my post that was NOT intended. I was not "making an accusation" as though this was something "bad," but pointing this out to other people who may be looking for it, i.e., I was providing information.
Please forgive me if this inappropriate (I'm new to the boards), but who is the provider you refer to? As my choice, so I don't seem to be imparting my feelings on others, I would like to avoid her like the plague.
If we're keeping her name out of it, my question is why, especially if she advertises the service.
Thanks
She does Not Advertise as offering BBFSCIP. I just asked her if it was good that we go that way. I was seeing her covered for over three months before I asked her to go BBFSCIP. She agreed. Been doing her BBFSCIP for over a year. ZERO Problems.
A friend of mine just got out of a LTR with a girl he was seeing for 5 years. He asked me if there was a girl I could hook him up with. I'm going to introduce him to my girl. Not sure if he'll go BBFS with her or not. He hasn't mentioned it. If he wants to go BBFS with her, I'll ask her first before he sees her.