Shop for flowers? Why? Because you're late? Why not hand Honey a "Sorry I got off with a hooker" card?
Most of my appointment requests are 90 minutes and 2 hours. Both of those times are the most enjoyable for me. I don't enjoy a 1 hour appointment because is seems to go too fast, and many clients expect me to go an extra 15+ minutes past an hour. (I'll do an extra 5-10 minutes, but that's it.)
I'd like to no longer offer an hour appointment, and begin with 90 minutes. Your thoughts - Yes or No?
because my minimum is two hours; however I suspect a goodly size of the market is one hour and less, and therefore you could be limiting yourself.
On the other hand, you'll be focusing on a more lucrative segment of the market, so it may well be a good strategy.
Try it out and see. If your volume drops below what you need, you can always reinstate the hour offering
Great advice, thank you.
On the other hand, you'll be focusing on a more lucrative segment of the market, so it may well be a good strategy.
Try it out and see. If your volume drops below what you need, you can always reinstate the hour offering.
then I'd say, Go for it!
If you're still dependent upon the income from the 1-hour dates, then I'd hold off. Maybe add some photos/ad text/rate structure that would specifically appeal to guys who book longer dates, and then see what happens.
I agree with you. 1 hour is NEVER just 1 hour. In addition (as you've likely noticed) the clients who prefer longer dates are more reliable, and respectful... you see less last-minute booking/cancellation, overstaying, soft scheduling, etc. Just a better experience in general
Never my foot. I've left early before. I'm a one-shot kind of guy, and often I lose all interest in being there once I've come home, so to speak.
I have gone over time, especially on first encounters. But I wouldn't say that was a regular occurrence.
and yes, for me it is a matter of the money. Or at least the value I get for my money.
I make no bones about that fact. If I book an hour session, it allows for 10 minutes or so of foreplay, 30-40 minutes of actual sex and a few minutes of "cuddly time" before heading out to resume my day. In Dallas that runs me about $300 for a lady of "quality" and I am quite happy with the money spent.
Now lets say I book two hours. That most likely means a bit more foreplay, the same 30-40 minutes of sex, a lot more cuddle time and maybe a massage to round out the rest of the time. That appointment is likely to cost more like $600, and I am about half as likely to feel good about the money spent. Don't get me wrong, I usually enjoy the company of the ladies I see, but not enough to pay them twice the money for roughly the same amount of sex.
Contrary to the conventional "wisdom" propagated here by the ladies, I am NOT paying for "time and companionship" I am paying for NSA sex. I have no need to pay women the same rate as I pay my lawyer just to be "nice to me" and whisper sweet nothings in my ear after sex. Some guys are into that, for me I can take it or leave it, and it's certainly not worth paying twice as much per session to me. If I want more than sex, I don't book two hours, I either go for a dinner date or an overnight date where there is time to do more than just lie in bed chatting while my dick is flaccid.
That's just my outlook, others I am sure will disagree. but it's all a matter of personal preference.
BTW I almost never cancel, and I also almost never run over.
Oh one last thing. very few women seem to want to provide more than 30-40 minutes of actual sex whether it's a 60,90 or 120 minute session. I will occasionally spend more time with women who actually like having more than 30-40 minutes of actual sex, but those women seem to be a rarity.
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No harm is testing a new 1.5 min business model. Keep notes on your calendar and see what the data says.
Even tho' a 1.5 h minimum might be a self-selecting better class of client, there are still many fine gentlemen who just can't get away from other obligations to book 1.5 h or more. Just as a nominal 1-h date requires additional time for the Provider to prep, travel and so on, so does it also require additional time for the client: juggle meetings, leave early; shower at gym; travel 30' to 2 hr to get to her; park; return travel; shop for flowers; "Hi Honey! Sorry I'm late! Something came. Up."
You don't need to advertise flexibility, but I would GUESS that you might be receptive if someone with a good rep, plenty of OKs/WeMets and comes across well in email / phone chat asked politely if you would book him for 1-hour only. You could make an exception or you could still reply, "Sure! As long as you pay for 1.5 h, you can leave after 5 minutes, if you want!"
I'd like to no longer offer an hour appointment, and begin with 90 minutes. Your thoughts - Yes or No?
Shop for flowers? Why? Because you're late? Why not hand Honey a "Sorry I got off with a hooker" card?
If it's not about money but time, then book her and stay as long as your time-budget allows.
I have a two-hour minimum and I encourage folks to book only when they have enough time - I like longer sessions.
But do you think I mind when someone pays me for two-hours but only availa themselves of a BNG? Nah. Not at all really.
I'm just saying again, to you and Imposter, it's disingenuous to say it's not about money but time. It's obviously a little about the money or you'd just let her have that extra paid vacation.
xoxox
Tori
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I have a two-hour minimum and I encourage folks to book only when they have enough time - I like longer sessions.
But do you think I mind when someone pays me for two-hours but only availa themselves of a BNG? Nah. Not at all really.
I'm just saying again, to you and Imposter, it's disingenuous to say it's not about money but time. It's obviously a little about the money or you'd just let her have that extra paid vacation.
xoxox
Tori
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I think you know what they meant. Don't be so literal.
Well of course money has a hand in it - if her hourly rate is $500 and I have to pay $1000 for a 2 hr session but can only stay for the hour that is just wasting money for me. I'd be paying twice as much for half the time. Yeah sure any provider would no doubt love it immensely, but it's a terrible business arrangement from the hobbyists's POV.
For a time challenged hobbyist like me I will seek out a provider willing to do an hour session. As much as I'd love to book with some gals who offer only a 2 hr min, it's just not in the cards for me at this time in my life.
Honestly for years when I had a one hour rate it seemed like it took at least one hour and 15-20 minutes. I never said anything about it taking more than an hour I just decided back in 2013 to do away with my one hour availability all together and have a minimum of 1.5 hours and never looked back. I think it's a nice compromise and has worked out well for me.
Steph xoxo
Most 1-hour guys seem to think that 1 hour means "about" 1 hour, which, in hobbyist-speak, translates to "about 90-ish minutes, or however long I can lay here before she kicks me out."
90-minutes seems to be the sweet spot. It's not so short that the date just naturally "flows over." Yet, it's long enough that neither client nor provider feels rushed.
I feel like some guys treat the 1-hour time frame as kind of a nominal fee to get in the door. Once they're in the door, you have to fight to get them out.
I prefer to do longer than 1 hour, (90 minutes to 2 hours) but I don't like to pay full, top tier rates for the second hour. In many cases, ladies ask for an additional $400-$500 for the second hour. Beyond the penetration itself which for me usually lasts 20-minutes, the rest of the time on my dates is spent getting comfortable with each other, undressing, foreplay, then talking afterwards and then getting dressed again. It makes sense to me to pay an additional $100-$200 more than a standard 1 hour rate for an additional 30 minutes, or second hour as a combined package total (like 2 hours for $550 as opposed to $350 for one hour). I do understand there are many rate structures and factors that go into what any given lady charges in any given market, but the price range I stay in is $300-$500 per hour... so when I see a lady that offers $550 - $750 for 2 hours, Ill always book longer appointments so I am not in a rush.
From a johns perspective here is what its like for me:
I know I have an appointment. I own a business and am busy, but I am making time for this. About 3 hours before, I am getting a little stressed out. Im working, trying to get shit done but I know I have an appointment. I dont work in an office, so I get home, I eat, and I shower up real good. Make sure my nails are trimmed and stuff. I am groomed. I get my covers, I double check my donation is correct, I put it in an envelope. Now I am often waiting anxiously for a text to tell me where the incall is. 60 minutes before said date, I get the text. I find out the incall is 22-27 miles away and there is still some rush hour traffic lingering. I leave 60 minutes early even though my GPS says its only 27 minutes away. I have to account for a train, traffic, construction, having trouble finding the place, or parking. I get there, find the building, maybe even parking nearby at a supermarket until it gets closer to the agreed time. A few minutes before the date I park and text that Im here and wait for more instructions. I search for a room at an unknown place, finally find the door and knock. I walk in. Its all kind of nerve racking until I get settled. I just want to sit down for a few minutes to calm down and relax. To get into the mood. I just ran around for the last few hours and literally just walked in. I take cialis just so I can get hard after all that shit on command because I don't have but 15 minutes to get comfortable and get it up. Usually, my mind is racing when I walk thru the door and with in 10 minutes I'm supposed to perform on the spot? Yeah, I always take a little more time if I can afford to do so. LOL
2hoir man here. skips any ad that offers hh rates, really hate standing in lines
I'm not married and own my own bus. so security isn`t my top priority. I`ve just started hobbying and have seen the same lady 2x for 1hr and it was awesome but pressured time-wise for me.
95% of her clients are married businessmen who can`t do 90+ mins so she only does 1 hr. She specializes in high end caution, discreteness and security for them and I respect that. This works for them but not for me, as much as I like her, moving on to 90+ mins girls and will see how that works.
It would be so nice if some providers would meet n greet for 1/2 hr for coffee/ drink to help "warm-up" OTC even.
I never have booked a 1 hour date. 90% are 2 hours with a rare 1&1/2 hour date.
Its just what I prefer
Let's say I have an appointment from 12-1. I leave my office at around 11:20 to travel the 25 minutes to see her (leaving extra time for mass transit delays). I leave her place around 1:10 and am back at my office around 1:35..... That's already 2 hours and 15 minutes out of the office.
Now you have a 90 minute minimum, so the appointment is 12-1:30. I still leave at 11:20, leave her place around 1:40 and back at the office at 2:05... Now I am 2 hours and 45 minutes out of the office...much tougher to sell a lunch meeting. If you had a 2 hour minimum, I'd be out of the office almost 3 1/2 hours....
It's your business so do what works for you. But I know I have turned down seeing ladies who have longer minimum appointments strictly due to time constraints for a session.
Now you have a 90 minute minimum, so the appointment is 12-1:30. I still leave at 11:20, leave her place around 1:40 and back at the office at 2:05... Now I am 2 hours and 45 minutes out of the office...much tougher to sell a lunch meeting. If you had a 2 hour minimum, I'd be out of the office almost 3 1/2 hours....
It's your business so do what works for you. But I know I have turned down seeing ladies who have longer minimum appointments strictly due to time constraints for a session.
What do you have to loose? If your business slows down and that's unacceptable to you, you can always go back to 1 hour appointments. And as another poster mentioned, if you have "good" clients who book an hour session you can always grandfather them in.
Btw, I'm an hour guy in a first session. When I see a 1 1/2 hr. Minimum I just move on. It's not a big deal to me, I'm fortunate to travel a lot and will never run out of escorts who do 1 hour appointments. Happy New Year 🎊
I'd like to no longer offer an hour appointment, and begin with 90 minutes. Your thoughts - Yes or No?
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Charge more for your 60 minute sessions and leave the longer one's the same, or even a slight discount?
At the end of the day you know what your income needs are and what the requests are so I'd give serious consideration to the comment about looking at how much the 1 hour appointments drive your income. Then again, perhaps this is not critical income for you so....
I very much agree with this, but would possibly add in what Ginger said as well. Rather than lose all of the business that offering 1 hour appointments brings, maybe do a slight increase on your hourly rate to accommodate for the fact that they typically go a little over an hour. Personally, I would "grandfather" existing clients in at the old rate, but as with everything else that's up to you.
At the end of the day you know what your income needs are and what the requests are so I'd give serious consideration to the comment about looking at how much the 1 hour appointments drive your income. Then again, perhaps this is not critical income for you so....
At the end of the day you know what your income needs are and what the requests are so I'd give serious consideration to the comment about looking at how much the 1 hour appointments drive your income. Then again, perhaps this is not critical income for you so....
minimum to 90 minutes or even 2 hours. Grandfathering existing clients is always a good idea.
If the economics are such and you still need some 60 minute revenue then raise the 1 hour rate to compensate for those who stay the 10-15 minutes over again grandfathering existing clients at their current rate.
I agree, I also hate one hour appointments because the type of clientele is different from longer bookers and almost uniformly they want to overstay. So to rectify this situation, I made a tweak to my donation structure. I still offer one hours because I tour frequently and realize that some people simply don't have time for more than an hour. But my one hour donation is very close to my 90 minute donation so I am encouraging the longer appointment. Hope that helps 
I'm personally not a fan of 1 hour dates as well