That's important, but as you noted I can't automatically assume that just because some clients got a specific service, I'll get it too. But it helps me to know that if I come to the date clean, with fresh breath, have a positive attitude, bring the correct donation, and act like a gentleman, that there's a good chance I'll get to partake in those services.
But more importantly, well-written reviews tell me about the quality of the services. For example, kissing. Kissing is very important to me. Some reviewers do a good job describing how the provider kisses. A web site or profile won't tell me that. They also won't tell me about how a provider acts in general during a date. The provider's web site may describe the provider's approach to her business, but I think it's important to get the opinions of clients who've experienced her approach to her business. I don't mean to compare a woman to a restaurant, but let me ask you: if you were planning a special evening at an expensive restaurant, would you look only at the restaurant's menu and web site before you decide to spend several hundred dollars there, or would you look for reviews from people who had first-hand experience there to help you make your decision?There is a lot of confusing information about how this rating systems work and what it actually means to folks so I thought it would be best to go to the experts for answers, the reviewers themselves.
Can someone explain how the ratings are determined?
Do the reviews have any value to you or if they mostly just supply entertaining reading?
And if they do have value for you, what part of the review would you take seriously (especially given that this place can be a bit like a men's club complete with fishing stories and bragging rights, and all the embellishment to the original that comes with it by more competitive folks).
I am only asking because this particular aspect of the forums everywhere seems to be a hot topic and has raised many interesting stories about folks experiences with them (both as provider as well as gentlemen) on a lot of different fronts, not just in terms of making connections here.
So, I figured starting from the foundation and working back up would be a good idea in terms of understanding exactly what this thing is and means to folks, or doesn't mean to folks.
Thanks in advance!
If you would prefer to send me a response by private message instead of posting on the board, that's fine too
Reviews should be considered as creating a picture. There will always be one review that is an outlier, or critical of something that the gentleman did not enjoy. When reading reviews I look for patterns, or several comments from different reviewers that seem to verify something (either good or bad). After a while a guy can get relatively good at distinguishing what is more likely true about a girl, and what is being embellished as it were (or the BS for the lack of a better term).
For a newbie, (and even the experienced folks) reviews give some sort of verification that the girl is legitimately in this business, and not LE. Not that it is fool-proof, but its a start when researching.
What do I look for when reading reviews?
-Are the pictures real, or at least a fair representation.
-What is the demeanor and attitude of the provider.
-Smokes or not.
-Friendly, or some indication of a personality that will make the session enjoyable.
-Comments about her likes and dislikes.
-What does she do or not do in a session.
-Would the gentleman repeat or not.
Personally I am less interested in the types of acts performed than I am in the experience and atmosphere, but that's just me.
The rating system is subjective in my view, and TER has rules about what numbers can be given based on certain acts performed. I do not begin to fully understand that portion. However the numbers can help a gentleman to see if the girl is a quality provider, well liked, etc. vs. someone to avoid (scam, ripoff, upscale, etc). Again its the pattern to look for: if a girl has 10 reviews all in the 7-10 range and one review that is low, I'm likely going to disregard the low one. However if most of the numbers are below 5, then that says something is not right in the way she operates.
Finally, I often look at the gentleman's reviews of other providers to give me an idea of how he gauges a good vs. bad session
So with all this said, do you find that information from the girl through either ad, website or conversation is so generic or lacking or suspect in terms of validity that this review/ratings business helps shape your judgement better than your own gut feelings?
I am asking because, obviously, clients are not subject to this sort of public trial and scoring system by the providers so I have no experience with how this would shape my perception if the shoe were on the other foot.
For a newbie, (and even the experienced folks) reviews give some sort of verification that the girl is legitimately in this business, and not LE. Not that it is fool-proof, but its a start when researching.
What do I look for when reading reviews?
-Are the pictures real, or at least a fair representation.
-What is the demeanor and attitude of the provider.
-Smokes or not.
-Friendly, or some indication of a personality that will make the session enjoyable.
-Comments about her likes and dislikes.
-What does she do or not do in a session.
-Would the gentleman repeat or not.
Personally I am less interested in the types of acts performed than I am in the experience and atmosphere, but that's just me.
The rating system is subjective in my view, and TER has rules about what numbers can be given based on certain acts performed. I do not begin to fully understand that portion. However the numbers can help a gentleman to see if the girl is a quality provider, well liked, etc. vs. someone to avoid (scam, ripoff, upscale, etc). Again its the pattern to look for: if a girl has 10 reviews all in the 7-10 range and one review that is low, I'm likely going to disregard the low one. However if most of the numbers are below 5, then that says something is not right in the way she operates.
Finally, I often look at the gentleman's reviews of other providers to give me an idea of how he gauges a good vs. bad session.
The other 25% would be more of a gut feeling. And to add to that "gut feeling" factor, when I call a girl, how she responds, her attitude on the phone, attentiveness or lack of interest can shape whether or not I decide to pursue a session as well.
As a provider, I'm sure you have screened callers and just get a feeling by their tone, responsiveness, and how they answer your questions as to whether your gut says "yes" or "no" as well. I call it the human element of any dialogue between two people.
I'll sum up with this phrase: communication is not what was said, but rather is what was received. And as humans, our gut feeling often is right if we are really paying attention.
Hookers lying about their looks, their menu, everything about themselves is rampant on sites like BP where most of the women are not reviewed.
I don't look to reviews to form my opinion about a woman for me, I look to reviews to make sure the woman is what she represents herself to be. High numerical scores do nothing to "convince" me to book with a woman, but low scores, especially several of them will convince me to "take a pass"
I know in your case the review system does NOT seem to be working in your favor, but I seriously doubt casting aspersions on the system itself is going to do you a lot of good here. I would suggest stepping up your game and getting some better reviews as a better way to use TER to increase your business.
Hey, you asked.
oblem is the subjectivity of each reviewer in how they process the numbers. When I first started reviewing, my scores were a lot lower. Not because I had poor sessions, but because I scored ladies on an extremely literal basis. If I had a good time, she received a 6. In my scoring No ladies received 9's for appearance because they weren't "literally models" or 9's for performance because I never "forgot it was a service'. Don't even start me on 10's because I hadn't "lived a lifetime" yet so how could I give a lady a 10 for lifetime looks or performance. I sense a lot of new reviewers process the scores in much the same way.
I learned over the years, that there is "literal" scoring and hobbying scoring. Now the same sessions are prob. 2-3 points higher because I learned to put the sessions in the totality/context of the hobby. Certainly if a woman gives everything she has in a session (both attitude wise and sexually), she should get 9's and or 10's. It's the right score to give. Appearance will always be more subjective....men are visual (my 6 is someone else's 10 and vice versa)
So men are at different stages in how they evaluate the numbers and what they think is an appropriate score. Two men could experience the same exact session... One scores it 7/7, the other 9/9... Nature of the game.
Since the actual numbers given by hobbyists may vary, I think the reviews themselves are valuable in outlining the attitude/service provided by each lady. I try to go into detail in writing my reviews so as to give the reader a real feel for my experiences. Information is crucial.
But I suspect most hobbyists use the reviews at their core--Is the a lady legitimate provider, will she bring an A+ attitude to the session and will I receive certain services that are important to me..
I appreciate your candor and your articulate response here.
So my question is about this: "will I receive certain services that are important to me.."
I had previously assumed that providers clearly advertised what they did or didn't do but I suppose much of this has changed due to the ant-sex nannies giving LE silly work that distracts them from real matters they would rather focus their efforts on. In spite of the censorship that must be done to stay out of trouble in ads, I always just assumed that the message could be gotten across some other way. I don't know as I don't spend a lot of time reading provider ads. I have enough to read now without that.
So if they don't/can't advertise specifically what their limits or specialties are, I can see how this would be valuable if you are looking for something specific but my question is this: If someone has indicated that they experienced X, Y or Z with someone - does this mean that you automatically assume that this (a) will be available to you and/or (b) done with the same enthusiasm with you?
I ask this because I can't imagine a situation where everyone gets a free pass on A, B or C activity just because we are together. I realize this sounds unfair but there are a number of other factors that go into what is available to someone and under what conditions. Some things are just NOT an option for some folks for a variety of reasons. I am sure that you will understand when you consider that not every female you get naked with should automatically assume that you will do X, Y or Z with her either, just because she showed up and got naked. Example: Sucking on Linda's toes might be okay by you but Jane has some seriously frightening feet and for that reason alone, they are not going anywhere near your favorite body parts if you can help it.
So I wonder how these reviews, based on your statement, shape expectations and equally important, if and how many folks recognize that what is on the table for one is not necessarily on the table for _everyone_ (this excludes those providers who have a set routine that doesn't change from person to person unless there is something really distressing about the person causing them to, uncharacteristically, refuse.)
How does this shape your expectations? Do you feel slighted or offended if something is done with anyone (or everyone) but you? If something has been done before, do you feel that you have a right to expect it to happen again with you, no question about it?
Input always appreciated
That's important, but as you noted I can't automatically assume that just because some clients got a specific service, I'll get it too. But it helps me to know that if I come to the date clean, with fresh breath, have a positive attitude, bring the correct donation, and act like a gentleman, that there's a good chance I'll get to partake in those services.
But more importantly, well-written reviews tell me about the quality of the services. For example, kissing. Kissing is very important to me. Some reviewers do a good job describing how the provider kisses. A web site or profile won't tell me that. They also won't tell me about how a provider acts in general during a date. The provider's web site may describe the provider's approach to her business, but I think it's important to get the opinions of clients who've experienced her approach to her business.
I don't mean to compare a woman to a restaurant, but let me ask you: if you were planning a special evening at an expensive restaurant, would you look only at the restaurant's menu and web site before you decide to spend several hundred dollars there, or would you look for reviews from people who had first-hand experience there to help you make your decision?
The restaurant analogy is used so commonly it is hardly offense worthy but thanks for checking in. Your sense of courtesy is noted and appreciated.
It begs a good point but then again, I am not a big group-think person while I know other folks who live and die by what the group decides is popular so my perception of how to value something comes from a very different place than the mean average in most instances.
The website Y*lp! is a good example of what you are making a point with. The site is very successful (and I have used it, yes, but for me - mostly to find small, local businesses worth patronizing when I am traveling so I can avoid the predictability/safety of franchise operations. I believe in supporting community business that reinvests back into local community when I can.)
What it seems to build its success on is (1) the general population desire to minimize risks in the face of uncertainty or the unknown and, given the constant barrage of constant "sales" we are subject to, it CAN become exhausting trying to separate the hype from the actual reality and (2) the general public herd mentality that only places confidence in what other people see as valuable or acceptable. Fashion and tourist destinations are built on this particular phenomenon.
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(Sorry this is so long winded. I type really fast so it is easy to write more than most folks)
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But back to your proposition:
"if you were planning a special evening at an expensive restaurant, would you look only at the restaurant's menu and web site before you decide to spend several hundred dollars there, or would you look for reviews from people who had first-hand experience there to help you make your decision? "
Looking back at my own history in exactly those types of situations, I have gone with the menu, website and my gut feeling about it but this is typically because I am looking for specific things and I almost always know when it isn't a good fit for what I am looking for at that moment or, worse, when I am being sold something at a higher rate than it deserves only because it comes with "status" because other people over-value it. I am not a big brand name kind of person, maybe that is the difference.
But I know folks who take comfort in other people taking a risk first and reporting back what the rewards were. That is their reasoning for always going to Y*lp! first, for anything and never taking chances on anything not listed or not listed with stellar reviews. Adventurous is definitely not their middle name.
So there's my answer. I suppose how much weight we put in the group's opinion says alot about many things. Thanks for the input and dialogue about this. Much appreciated.
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But I do read the details to find out what the gal actually does and whether or not she does it well. Also to see if the reviewer was really satisfied. I'm always amazed at how sometimes the numbers and the actual comments are at odds with one another
Thanks for that observation about the numbers and comments not always being congruent. That is an interesting bit of observation there. Regarding your other statements, I asked a general question about that in the previous response to yours. Your input would also be appreciated there.
that she appears to do with nearly everyone else.
The answer is yes, though I can't think off hand that I've had that exact situation.
I have seen gals that do certain extras, but not always depending on various circumstances involving their physical condition, and I'm fine with that.
There is a common saying here that YMMV (Your mileage may vary.) This is just something that has to be accepted in the hobby.
Is that the question you wanted to hear about?
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Oh I am just shaking the tree to see what falls out. Its always interesting to see what other folks experiences and perceptions of things are.
I think you guys are awesome for taking the time to actually respond with thoughtful candor instead of what I have seen as mean spirited juvenile snarkiness trying to pass itself off as intelligence.
The conversations we are having right now are very pleasurable for me so thank you for participating in that pleasure. I hope it is mutual. 
As far as does she, doesn't she, will she or why won't she with me --- based on my personal experience in normal life long before this chapter, I know that there are those males who are so insecure, ego driven and, for lack of a better word, nasty that the idea that someone else might have something that they don't instantly drives them into abusive retaliatory behavior. More than a few females I know have had this experience at the hands of boyfriends (not clients or having anything to do with being a provider).
Because this venue ALSO attracts men that have an active dislike of women and that is why they choose providers instead of working through those issues so they can have normal relationships with normal women, it concerns me that this business of "expectations" and feeling "slighted" if someone doesn't get what someone else gets could create far more problems and damage than should ever be expected or tolerated.
you know the old joke:
Q: "What's the difference between a slut and a whore?"
A: "A slut sleeps with everyone. A whore sleeps with everyone BUT you."
I have been very lucky and have had clients that make me look forward to sharing time with them. Only a few made me wonder why I didn't do anything else but this after being around them. But, I see a lot of females in this business who are constantly dealing with or being terrorized by some really ugly personalities whose sole goal in life is a feeling of power by trying to put the vulnerable under their figurative thumbs. its easy to say they should...___insert action___ but in honesty, we all know that it isn't as simple as that, especially if you are a female in this particular venue.
So this was just a random thought. In an ideal world. the only females doing this would be doing it because they really enjoyed it and enjoyed their awesome clients who were all icons of decency and delight (we do exist and so do those clients). But this is not an ideal world and I usually spend a lot of time wondering where some of the problems are coming from in every aspect of life.
Not the answer you wanted to hear, I am sure
If you had made this very same post on GD, you would have gotten some VERY different responses, You should have seen the reply I had written, but did not post as your post got moved here where even the likes of me are "nice" lol
Something you might want to keep in mind in the future. If you want "nice" this is the board for you, if you want real candor, go to GD, but do prepare yourself for some replies that won't necessarily be "nice" lol
the provider offers the services the hobbyist is seeking. You can't go by the profile because the profile is established by the first reviewer and often not updated.
The only use for me of the numbers is to begin my initial search which again needs VIP.