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I've been shorted with a 50 min (or less!!) hour every now and then, but I never made a big deal about it other than to note, "So soon? I thought we started at X:15 and that I could stay until (X+1):15?" (Translation: next time, I expect a full hour!)  

Sometimes, there is a late start for reasons beyond anyone's control. Trouble on the street outside her incall (in NYC); feeling the need to be cautious in a hotel lobby and taking an extra few minutes reading headlines at the newsstand. Taking an extra wrong-way circuit around her floor to avoid hotel staff outside her room. Etc.

But, for obvious reasons, I never announce, like a Railroad Dispatcher, "It is now 8:37. I will set my timer for 60 minutes starting ... NOW! All aboard!" What a mood killer that would be. (Unless we were doing Railroad Dispatcher / Female Hobo role play. :-)  

I have been admitted late (her fault) to some places at, say, x:15. I would have liked to say in those (specific) instances, "Gosh, it's already X:15. Should I switch to the 45 minute rate (she has a 45 min rate) to be out by X+1 or can I stay the full hour?"  I haven't said that yet. Yeah, sometimes I don't get the full hour. But sometimes I get more than my hour (depending on her own schedule).

I consider showering to be on the clock. If she joins you in the shower, it is SURELY on the clock! There is one Provider (forgot her name) who was tired of guys not showering because they didn't want to lose a single minute of fun so she offers a 70 or 75 minute hour and specifically says that she expects you to shower and THEN you get your squeaky clean 60 minute hour.  It removes that element of doubt for the guys and eases things up.

For almost all, once you're in the door, the clock starts. If you chit chat for 30 minutes, that's on your dime. With experience, you'll figure out how to make a timely segue from chit chat to other activities.  

I suspect you'll experience a range of long hours and short hours and you'll have to decide when it feels OK and when it doesn't ... and book or rebook accordingly. Many reviews will say "Not a clock watcher." to let you know that she doesn't make you feel rushed out on the dot of 60 minutes. Do not abuse that. She probably knows very well when to start moving you along to clean up, take a good bye shower, get you dressed and out the door. The thing is, she makes it feel natural and it feels good and keeps your mood elevated long past the time you're gone. (A lot different from mamasan knocking on the door: "Time is up!")  

I do NOT have a simple rule such as "If she shorts your time, she probably isn't worth it anyway." because I've had some great short-hour experiences that I really wish went longer!  

You'll get the hang of it. Whatever happens, have fun figuring it out

So newbie here with only two dates so far. Both dates however started 10 to 15 minuets late. I gave both providers the benefit of the doubt and honored the end times reasoning that for one reason or another their day schedule is running behind. Much like a dentist or doctors appointment, the later in the day the worse it usually gets.

However, much as I would like to think all the sweet talk and kindness is from the heart, I do realize this is a business and money is involved.  

So two questions.

First, when does the clock start ticking. The minuet you enter an incall's room? So if they demand you take a shower (OK with me) even though you may have taken one 30 minuets before, does that time count? Same if they first meet you at the bar and then take you up to the room. Does the clock start at the first eye contact you make with her or when you get to the room?

Second, if they start you late as was the case in both my dates, does time get added at the end to compensate or not? Do providers allow enough time between dates to allow for situations like this?

CJ

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I had one of the more honest providers set a clock. I go by when I call her that I out side her room. If she opens or call her every min, when I FINISH if 10 min later I pay her the sixty bucks and leave.

These are independent business women. They all run their businesses differently.  

Posted By: CJHug
So newbie here with only two dates so far. Both dates however started 10 to 15 minuets late. I gave both providers the benefit of the doubt and honored the end times reasoning that for one reason or another their day schedule is running behind. Much like a dentist or doctors appointment, the later in the day the worse it usually gets.  
   
 However, much as I would like to think all the sweet talk and kindness is from the heart, I do realize this is a business and money is involved.    
   
 So two questions.  
   
 First, when does the clock start ticking. The minuet you enter an incall's room? So if they demand you take a shower (OK with me) even though you may have taken one 30 minuets before, does that time count? Same if they first meet you at the bar and then take you up to the room. Does the clock start at the first eye contact you make with her or when you get to the room?  
   
 Second, if they start you late as was the case in both my dates, does time get added at the end to compensate or not? Do providers allow enough time between dates to allow for situations like this?  
   
 CJ

then the clock starts when you enter the door and ends when you leave the same way.

The situation at a bar is far more complicated.  If  you set up at meeting at a bar to see what develops, and no talk of when the clock begins takes place, then it would be reasonable to think that this time is on the clock.  Best to get that detail cleared up first

Assume that the clock starts at the moment of first contact on the actual date, whether that's entering the room or meeting at the bar or restaurant. A shower is often on the clock, but I've been in circumstances where the clock started immediately after the shower, but that was clearly stated upfront.  

If you are running late, you should assume the clock started when you were supposed to be there, unless you've been in contact with her and there are indications otherwise (but best to ask.) If she's running late then it should start on first contact, but again be sure.

Providers who are booked more heavily during the day (some agencies, touring providers) will manage their clocks differently. Women who aren't booked more tightly are able to be more elastic with their clock, if they choose to be.

Lots of assumptions, but as someone else said, different women different clocks. YMMV

1. In theory, the clock should usually start ticking when you walk in the room for an incall.  But actual practice varies by provider.  And if you meet at the hotel bar or in the lobby rather than at the door of the room itself, a lot of providers will probably go from the time of first contact.  If all she's doing is meeting you at the bar or lobby and then taking you straight up to the room (no dinner, no drinks) then you're not talking about a lot of time and I think it's fair enough to have that time be on the clock.  If you ask her about whether or not that counts on the clock, you'll probably just come across as penny-pinching and time-obsessed, which can get things off to a bad start.  If you are having dinner or drinks before going up to the room, generally that will all be paid time so time of first contact is appropriate to start the clock.  
 
2.  How to handle tardiness varies even more by the provider and the situation.  If YOU are the reason for a late start, I think it's fair for her to start the clock at your scheduled appointment time and make you eat the time that you were late.  If SHE is the reason for a late start, I think it's more fair to start the clock when she is ready and opens the door and tack any wait time onto the back end.  But providers are all over the place with how they actually handle this.  And in theory, they should be allowing some time between scheduled appointments to account for things like this.  But reality and theory do not always match.

3.  Shower time at the start of a session is usually included as part of the appointment time.  This may seem like a waste of time/money for you, but in general it's actually worth it.  You can do a quick shower in 5 min or less but still get the key parts squeaky clean for her.  When you're nice and clean and she knows it, you'll get better service.

4.  Showers after a session vary greatly both by provider and depending on their schedule for that day.  (Not everyone does these, but it can be refreshing to get clean after working up a bit of a sweat, get the smell of latex off, and for the married guys it can be helpful to make sure any perfume smells or lipstick marks are off.)  If she has another appointment or other commitments coming up soon or if you're in a rush to get out, it might not even be an option or you might have to squeeze it into the session time if you really want to do it.  But I've had plenty of providers offer me use of the shower OTC after a session's time is up.  Granted, they don't really have to do any work while you're showering.  But still, it's a nice courtesy that some of them will offer if you've been good to them and if the timing of their other appointments and personal commitments allows for it.  Not something to expect, but definitely a nice little bonus for those that appreciate it

Posted By: CJHug
So newbie here with only two dates so far. Both dates however started 10 to 15 minuets late. I gave both providers the benefit of the doubt and honored the end times reasoning that for one reason or another their day schedule is running behind. Much like a dentist or doctors appointment, the later in the day the worse it usually gets.  
   
 However, much as I would like to think all the sweet talk and kindness is from the heart, I do realize this is a business and money is involved.    
   
 So two questions.  
   
 First, when does the clock start ticking. The minuet you enter an incall's room? So if they demand you take a shower (OK with me) even though you may have taken one 30 minuets before, does that time count? Same if they first meet you at the bar and then take you up to the room. Does the clock start at the first eye contact you make with her or when you get to the room?  
   
 Second, if they start you late as was the case in both my dates, does time get added at the end to compensate or not? Do providers allow enough time between dates to allow for situations like this?  
   
 CJ

by provider. The more established GFE ladies will start the clock when you enter the room rather than meet them in the bar or lobby which is usually done when the elevators require a key or the provider wants to see you in RL to ensure her safety.

The timing is often done with the playlist on her phone or ipod. A certain song will play at say 55 minutes to alert her to the hour being almost up.

If you are the reason the date starts late, then the end time doesn't change from the original start time. If you have kept in contact with the lady while you were trying to find her incall or maybe a parking place, or traffic issues due to a wreck or weather, she may be a bit more lenient. If she has another date scheduled right after you, no chance in a break

Now, if the provider is late, you should expect an hour (or whatever time you booked) of her time.  

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I've been shorted with a 50 min (or less!!) hour every now and then, but I never made a big deal about it other than to note, "So soon? I thought we started at X:15 and that I could stay until (X+1):15?" (Translation: next time, I expect a full hour!)  

Sometimes, there is a late start for reasons beyond anyone's control. Trouble on the street outside her incall (in NYC); feeling the need to be cautious in a hotel lobby and taking an extra few minutes reading headlines at the newsstand. Taking an extra wrong-way circuit around her floor to avoid hotel staff outside her room. Etc.

But, for obvious reasons, I never announce, like a Railroad Dispatcher, "It is now 8:37. I will set my timer for 60 minutes starting ... NOW! All aboard!" What a mood killer that would be. (Unless we were doing Railroad Dispatcher / Female Hobo role play. :-)  

I have been admitted late (her fault) to some places at, say, x:15. I would have liked to say in those (specific) instances, "Gosh, it's already X:15. Should I switch to the 45 minute rate (she has a 45 min rate) to be out by X+1 or can I stay the full hour?"  I haven't said that yet. Yeah, sometimes I don't get the full hour. But sometimes I get more than my hour (depending on her own schedule).

I consider showering to be on the clock. If she joins you in the shower, it is SURELY on the clock! There is one Provider (forgot her name) who was tired of guys not showering because they didn't want to lose a single minute of fun so she offers a 70 or 75 minute hour and specifically says that she expects you to shower and THEN you get your squeaky clean 60 minute hour.  It removes that element of doubt for the guys and eases things up.

For almost all, once you're in the door, the clock starts. If you chit chat for 30 minutes, that's on your dime. With experience, you'll figure out how to make a timely segue from chit chat to other activities.  

I suspect you'll experience a range of long hours and short hours and you'll have to decide when it feels OK and when it doesn't ... and book or rebook accordingly. Many reviews will say "Not a clock watcher." to let you know that she doesn't make you feel rushed out on the dot of 60 minutes. Do not abuse that. She probably knows very well when to start moving you along to clean up, take a good bye shower, get you dressed and out the door. The thing is, she makes it feel natural and it feels good and keeps your mood elevated long past the time you're gone. (A lot different from mamasan knocking on the door: "Time is up!")  

I do NOT have a simple rule such as "If she shorts your time, she probably isn't worth it anyway." because I've had some great short-hour experiences that I really wish went longer!  

You'll get the hang of it. Whatever happens, have fun figuring it out

thank you!

Posted By: impposter
I've been shorted with a 50 min (or less!!) hour every now and then, but I never made a big deal about it other than to note, "So soon? I thought we started at X:15 and that I could stay until (X+1):15?" (Translation: next time, I expect a full hour!)  
   
 Sometimes, there is a late start for reasons beyond anyone's control. Trouble on the street outside her incall (in NYC); feeling the need to be cautious in a hotel lobby and taking an extra few minutes reading headlines at the newsstand. Taking an extra wrong-way circuit around her floor to avoid hotel staff outside her room. Etc.  
   
 But, for obvious reasons, I never announce, like a Railroad Dispatcher, "It is now 8:37. I will set my timer for 60 minutes starting ... NOW! All aboard!" What a mood killer that would be. (Unless we were doing Railroad Dispatcher / Female Hobo role play. :-)  
   
 I have been admitted late (her fault) to some places at, say, x:15. I would have liked to say in those (specific) instances, "Gosh, it's already X:15. Should I switch to the 45 minute rate (she has a 45 min rate) to be out by X+1 or can I stay the full hour?"  I haven't said that yet. Yeah, sometimes I don't get the full hour. But sometimes I get more than my hour (depending on her own schedule).  
   
 I consider showering to be on the clock. If she joins you in the shower, it is SURELY on the clock! There is one Provider (forgot her name) who was tired of guys not showering because they didn't want to lose a single minute of fun so she offers a 70 or 75 minute hour and specifically says that she expects you to shower and THEN you get your squeaky clean 60 minute hour.  It removes that element of doubt for the guys and eases things up.  
   
 For almost all, once you're in the door, the clock starts. If you chit chat for 30 minutes, that's on your dime. With experience, you'll figure out how to make a timely segue from chit chat to other activities.  
   
 I suspect you'll experience a range of long hours and short hours and you'll have to decide when it feels OK and when it doesn't ... and book or rebook accordingly. Many reviews will say "Not a clock watcher." to let you know that she doesn't make you feel rushed out on the dot of 60 minutes. Do not abuse that. She probably knows very well when to start moving you along to clean up, take a good bye shower, get you dressed and out the door. The thing is, she makes it feel natural and it feels good and keeps your mood elevated long past the time you're gone. (A lot different from mamasan knocking on the door: "Time is up!")  
   
 I do NOT have a simple rule such as "If she shorts your time, she probably isn't worth it anyway." because I've had some great short-hour experiences that I really wish went longer!    
   
 You'll get the hang of it. Whatever happens, have fun figuring it out!  
 

If you are late arriving that's on you...  Having been caught by a weather event that blew my date (& not in a good way) I learned to arrive early to the call point.  From there you are given directions for the final approach.  I find hanging around in a hotel parking lot to be conspicious... so after I find the designated call place, I withdraw to the corner coffee shop to wait.  I time my return.  This works well in my suburban setting.  In an urban setting, I might choose the hotel coffee shop.  
If I were to meet for dinner or drinks, the time would be compensated so would start on arrival.  Ladies who do much of this often instruct you to place the donation in a card to present to her on arrival.  
If she is late starting, she should extend your time on the exit side.  Gals should not book back to back appointments...  but leave herself time to wash up, shower, rest...  so she should cut into her rest time to fix scheduling problems.  It's NOT OK to collect the full fee for a shortened session.

I have had sessions interrupted...  we were naked on her bed & just went things were getting fun, her personal phone rang.  We were in her home & she apoligized & explained that if she didn't answer we might have a family member show up to check on her!  Yikes!    
After the call was over...  and she (mostly) calmed down from arguing with her sister...  we resumed the session.  It was a little hard to get back to that happy place but the total play time was as agreed or maybe a little more

Realistically 9 out of 10 times, a one-hour appointment will usually get you 45 min, and on occasion, it will go 50-55 min. You will have no way to know which girls will actually give you the full time until you have a session with them. Yes, they are out there, but it's best to think realistically (meaning 45 min or so) than expect a full hour.  Also MANY girls will try to "end" your session soon after you are orgasmically satisfied, regardless of how much time is left. (I'm not being a cynic here, but these are the facts.)

Regarding the specific scenarios you inquired about:  
The girl meets you in the hotel lobby or hotel bar/restaurant: most girls begin the time the moment she meets you.
The shower situation: most girls begin the time when you walk into her room.

TER reviews are also hard to gauge. If the reviewer checks the box saying you get the full hour, it's still quite subjective. The best indication of getting your full hour with a girl is if the reviewer actually writes something about it. That means he was impressed that he got his full allotted time.

A full hour in the room will NEVER be a full hour of action.  It takes time to undress & re-dress.  A bit of chatter while doing so.  Don't forget washing your hands & a quick wash of privates or a shower hitting the important spots... all take a cut of your time.    
To get an hour of action, you would have to be behind closed doors for 1 1/4-1 1/2 hrs.  



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VOO-doo463 reads

Assume that the clock starts running the second you step inside her door. Shower is usually considered part of the paid hour, even if *she* mandates it.  

An independent might give you a few minutes leeway, *if* her schedule allows for it. It's much harder for an agency girl to do the same (or at least it was for me, when I worked for agencies. Clients were packed in like sardines. 4PM, 5PM, 6PM, etc.)

If *she* demands to meet you at the bar, I'd say that the clock starts when you two get behind closed doors... however, always assume that she *might* consider that time as being on the clock. If you're not sure, then ask her. Also, if you continually put off going upstairs because you're having so much fun, and end up yakking with her in the bar for a long time... then either ask her at some point 'how are we doing on time?' (so she has the opportunity to say 'Oh, no worries!' or will maybe ask you if you want to either go upstairs NOW or extend the date) or give her a nice tip, or something.  

If *you* request to meet for a drink before going upstairs, then the time absolutely starts in the bar. If you desire a half hour of cocktail time with a pretty girl who flirts with you and rubs her hand on your leg, then book 90 minutes. Understand that she has to be fully "on" and engaged with you during that time... you expect to be treated a certain way, and that's a service. It takes up her time and energy.  

If she cuts you short because *she* is running late, I'd say that's the mark of a sub-par provider. However, also understand that if you're booking agency providers, there might be someone behind the scenes cracking the whip, so to speak. However, even when I worked for agencies, if one guy overstayed, then next guy would still get his full hour... everything would just be pushed back a few minutes. Kind of sucked for the guys who were kept waiting, and extremely stressful for me.  

A quality independent will schedule her day so that she has enough time in between appointments to be fully prepared for your date. She should never have to cut time short because she is running late

Essencially agrees with what clients expect from a good provider.  Gives good info on circumstances which were not previously mentioned.
Thx  

Posted By: VOO-doo
Assume that the clock starts running the second you step inside her door. Shower is usually considered part of the paid hour, even if *she* mandates it.  
    An independent might give you a few minutes leeway, *if* her schedule allows for it. It's much harder for an agency girl to do the same (or at least it was for me, when I worked for agencies. Clients were packed in like sardines. 4PM, 5PM, 6PM, etc.)  
   If *she* demands to meet you at the bar, I'd say that the clock starts when you two get behind closed doors... however, always assume that she *might* consider that time as being on the clock. If you're not sure, then ask her. Also, if you continually put off going upstairs because you're having so much fun, and end up yakking with her in the bar for a long time... then either ask her at some point 'how are we doing on time?' (so she has the opportunity to say 'Oh, no worries!' or will maybe ask you if you want to either go upstairs NOW or extend the date) or give her a nice tip, or something.  
    If *you* request to meet for a drink before going upstairs, then the time absolutely starts in the bar. If you desire a half hour of cocktail time with a pretty girl who flirts with you and rubs her hand on your leg, then book 90 minutes. Understand that she has to be fully "on" and engaged with you during that time... you expect to be treated a certain way, and that's a service. It takes up her time and energy.  
     If she cuts you short because *she* is running late, I'd say that's the mark of a sub-par provider. However, also understand that if you're booking agency providers, there might be someone behind the scenes cracking the whip, so to speak. However, even when I worked for agencies, if one guy overstayed, then next guy would still get his full hour... everything would just be pushed back a few minutes. Kind of sucked for the guys who were kept waiting, and extremely stressful for me.  
  A quality independent will schedule her day so that she has enough time in between appointments to be fully prepared for your date. She should never have to cut time short because she is running late.  

This is one of the reasons I stopped doing 1 hours. It felt too impersonal and to "clock-y". There are some people who purposefully book longer dates so they don't have to feel the clock, and can leave early - which is expensive to do. But if you find yourself graduating to longer appointments, this is definitely something I suggest, granted the lady is interested in pillow talk. :)

When I go get a professional massage, it's usually only 45 minutes when you pay for an hour. You rent the room for an hour, but they give you time to get ready before and after. The scheduled time in-between appointments is to clean and sanitize the room.

Sounds like you are talking about something similar.  

However, when I had bookers, some hounded me via my phone to get the guy on his way 5 minutes early - so I stopped working for bookers, because it felt awkward. Looking back, and through getting the massages - I didn't realize they were going with the pro massage theory. The guy needed to get dressed, but they had me chasing him out the door. Not very sexy in my opinion lol.

Of course, my suggestion is to book longer dates so it feels more natural, but as far as I'm concerned, 45 minute massage is enough for me, and when I'm done, I just want to go home. Not sit and chit-chat lol! Total opposite here.

I'm never late, period, but I would imagine your provider should give you a full hour since it was her fault.

If my client is late by a few minutes, that doesn't effect our session. If however he is 15 to 20 minutes late, I will try to accommodate him as best as I can, but there are no guarantee's.  

A general rule, is if both parties are doing their best to be time sensitive, most likely it will lead to a great session and a repeat experience. The last thing a client wants to see is a gal staring at the clock, and last thing a provider wants is a guy that shows up late, or goes over time and just keeps going pretending not to notice.

It is about mutual respect, and if I feel that I'm not being taken advantage of, any hard rules disappear.

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