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Re: What the F* are you doing?
sljackson 13 Reviews 374 reads
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That's pretty big of you to say. I appreciate that. Yeah I'm still looking for a new ATF like that. Hadn't quite found another Fatima booty like that one, but I'm still having fun lookin'.

Posted By: Fearghas
 
Posted By: harborview
To be fair, SHE is sending you mixed signals by discussing other dates with you.  Maybe she thinks you can mentor or suggest to her but REALLY she should NOT do this.  It is unprofessional & detracts from the illusion that is a Girl Friend Experience.  
   
 -- Modified on 7/21/2016 11:38:41 AM
   
 Agreed. Obviously the OP did get a bit too relaxed and cross a boundary of hers and should take the hint and keep things at a more professional level. However, a few people here seem to be putting it all on him, and I don't think that's right. She talked about her weight / size making it hard to find dates? I think most anyone would think she was looking for a little reassurance & compliments. Debra is definitely correct, it's best to talk generally about her sex appeal and your appreciation of same rather than calling attention to belly and booty, even if it's to say something complimentary.  
   
 Still and all, it feels like she opened a door and got upset when he stepped through it.  
   
 Not saying the OP needs to hash all that out with her and keep things "fair", he should do whatever is needed, within reason, to continue to enjoy the company of the lady he likes. He should also understand, though, that the two of them danced their way over this line together.

-- Modified on 7/21/2016 8:13:05 PM

I met a provider awhile back and thought she was extremely beautiful. I became a regular and we started to become more and more comfortable with her. I've been known to get a little flirty even in my regular day to day. I happen to love thicker women they rate a 10 in my eyes. She'd talk to me aboutique how she felt she was having a hard time getting dates because all the prospects were going for the slimmer girls.

I know this is p4p and all and she's not really my girlfriend or nothing but I kinda let the flirting get to that level where I'm complimenting her more often. I guess I must have complimented something that she felt was a problem area for her (an area I honestly think is hott like belly and booty). She eventually took offense to it and we had a falling out after she basically told me she's just an escort and the only discussion I need to be having is to let her know when I'd like to make a date.

My question is is it considered bad form to compliment what I like and tell my date the reasons I enjoy her company in a flirtatious way?

No, it is not bad form to compliment a provider on what you like that she has.  No, it is not bad form to tell her the reasons you enjoy your company.  But this is P4P.  Unless clearly spoken in jest and understood by her to be a joke, the words "I love you" should never pass over your lips.  Generally, these girls have a (sound) policy against crossing the line from client-provider to RL SO.  From what you described, it sounds like she felt you got a little too close to the line and told you to back off.  Just accept her boundaries.  Otherwise, you'll just make her uncomfortable.  And providers who are uncomfortable with you will not be enthusiastic, so they will not give you the best service.  She gave you a strong hint.  Take it.  If her boundaries are a problem for you, find another provider more willing to indulge the boyfriend fantasy.  Good luck!

Kreativity475 reads

There is a line we ain't really supposed to cross. I'm hearing that her conversation was befriending in the way that she told you about not getting clients because of her size. Confuses the hell out of us men. I mean she threw an hint she wanted a sensitive response then decided she didn't like it and it was a problem.  

This is why I hobby so I ain't gotta deal with that in the dating world. Yeah you shouldn't have to deal with that passive aggressive self esteem in the hobby. She crossed a line then wanted to take it back lol.

she has instructed you o keep it business...  ifshe feels you are getting too clingy or otherwise takes offense, she'll refuse to see you.  Her game, her rules.  A lot of gals don't even give you a warning...  they become unavailable or refuse your calls.

Posted By: sljackson

   
 I know this is p4p and all and she's not really my girlfriend or nothing but I kinda let the flirting get to that level where I'm complimenting her more often. I guess I must have complimented something that she felt was a problem area for her (an area I honestly think is hott like belly and booty). She eventually took offense to it and we had a falling out after she basically told me she's just an escort and the only discussion I need to be having is to let her know when I'd like to make a date.  
   
 My question is is it considered bad form to compliment what I like and tell my date the reasons I enjoy her company in a flirtatious way?
For some reason, I'm getting the feeling that you're talking about flirting that was taking place between dates.  That can easily get taken as someone who's looking for a relationship outside of P4P.  So I agree with her: keep it short & sweet, limiting your correspondence to when you're scheduling your next session.  

Also..... pretty much all women have their insecurities about their bodies.   So if any woman tells you she thinks she's too heavy: do NOT come back with "I like your belly!"  or  "Jiggly butts are hot!".... seriously, the only response that is ever OK is "you are beautiful and sexy" period.   ;-)

Trust me on that.  :-)

Yes they were during the date not in between. I wanted to keep the sex consistent. I had been a regular to some other women where the first session was great, then the following sessions where underwhelming and never measured up to the first. So when I got with her I made it a point to verbalize the stuff that I liked.

Thanks for chiming in Debbie with the female POV.

It was kinda like she'd tell me a bit about a failed date she had recently and I'd tell her about an experience I'd had with someone else, then compliment her on top of that because she was way better than my failed dates. She kinda took offense to that for some reason.

Posted By: Debra_Hollander
Posted By: sljackson
 
     
  I know this is p4p and all and she's not really my girlfriend or nothing but I kinda let the flirting get to that level where I'm complimenting her more often. I guess I must have complimented something that she felt was a problem area for her (an area I honestly think is hott like belly and booty). She eventually took offense to it and we had a falling out after she basically told me she's just an escort and the only discussion I need to be having is to let her know when I'd like to make a date.  
     
  My question is is it considered bad form to compliment what I like and tell my date the reasons I enjoy her company in a flirtatious way?
   
 For some reason, I'm getting the feeling that you're talking about flirting that was taking place between dates.  That can easily get taken as someone who's looking for a relationship outside of P4P.  So I agree with her: keep it short & sweet, limiting your correspondence to when you're scheduling your next session.  
   
 Also..... pretty much all women have their insecurities about their bodies.   So if any woman tells you she thinks she's too heavy: do NOT come back with "I like your belly!"  or  "Jiggly butts are hot!".... seriously, the only response that is ever OK is "you are beautiful and sexy" period.   ;-)  
   
 Trust me on that.  :-)
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Sometimes when a woman talks about a bad experience, she just wants to be heard, and understood, and felt for. Safest course in this circumstance is simply to commiserate with her. You tried to "fix" her bad date by relating a worse one of your own. I hate it when people try to one-up my story, there's a passable likelihood that she was at least annoyed at this point. Your Capital Crime, however, was your faint praise: you told her she was better than a really bad date.

Starting to see why she got offended?

Posted By: sljackson
Yes they were during the date not in between. I wanted to keep the sex consistent. I had been a regular to some other women where the first session was great, then the following sessions where underwhelming and never measured up to the first. So when I got with her I made it a point to verbalize the stuff that I liked.  
   
 Thanks for chiming in Debbie with the female POV.  
   
 It was kinda like she'd tell me a bit about a failed date she had recently and I'd tell her about an experience I'd had with someone else, then compliment her on top of that because she was way better than my failed dates. She kinda took offense to that for some reason.  
   
Posted By: Debra_Hollander
Posted By: sljackson
 
       
   I know this is p4p and all and she's not really my girlfriend or nothing but I kinda let the flirting get to that level where I'm complimenting her more often. I guess I must have complimented something that she felt was a problem area for her (an area I honestly think is hott like belly and booty). She eventually took offense to it and we had a falling out after she basically told me she's just an escort and the only discussion I need to be having is to let her know when I'd like to make a date.    
       
   My question is is it considered bad form to compliment what I like and tell my date the reasons I enjoy her company in a flirtatious way?
 
     
  For some reason, I'm getting the feeling that you're talking about flirting that was taking place between dates.  That can easily get taken as someone who's looking for a relationship outside of P4P.  So I agree with her: keep it short & sweet, limiting your correspondence to when you're scheduling your next session.    
     
  Also..... pretty much all women have their insecurities about their bodies.   So if any woman tells you she thinks she's too heavy: do NOT come back with "I like your belly!"  or  "Jiggly butts are hot!".... seriously, the only response that is ever OK is "you are beautiful and sexy" period.   ;-)  
     
  Trust me on that.  :-)
-- Modified on 7/21/2016 4:25:21 AM

Yeah my approach was to show her that experienceshe she was having aren't so bad because  (insert my experiences) instead of just hearing her out. We already were having the most amazing sex and cool with each other. I guess it was a natural thing to try to sympathize.  

Posted By: DreiHoden
Sometimes when a woman talks about a bad experience, she just wants to be heard, and understood, and felt for. Safest course in this circumstance is simply to commiserate with her. You tried to "fix" her bad date by relating a worse one of your own. I hate it when people try to one-up my story, there's a passable likelihood that she was at least annoyed at this point. Your Capital Crime, however, was your faint praise: you told her she was better than a really bad date.  
   
 Starting to see why she got offended?  
   
Posted By: sljackson
Yes they were during the date not in between. I wanted to keep the sex consistent. I had been a regular to some other women where the first session was great, then the following sessions where underwhelming and never measured up to the first. So when I got with her I made it a point to verbalize the stuff that I liked.  
     
  Thanks for chiming in Debbie with the female POV.  
     
  It was kinda like she'd tell me a bit about a failed date she had recently and I'd tell her about an experience I'd had with someone else, then compliment her on top of that because she was way better than my failed dates. She kinda took offense to that for some reason.  
     
Posted By: Debra_Hollander
Posted By: sljackson
   
         
    I know this is p4p and all and she's not really my girlfriend or nothing but I kinda let the flirting get to that level where I'm complimenting her more often. I guess I must have complimented something that she felt was a problem area for her (an area I honestly think is hott like belly and booty). She eventually took offense to it and we had a falling out after she basically told me she's just an escort and the only discussion I need to be having is to let her know when I'd like to make a date.    
         
    My question is is it considered bad form to compliment what I like and tell my date the reasons I enjoy her company in a flirtatious way?
   
       
   For some reason, I'm getting the feeling that you're talking about flirting that was taking place between dates.  That can easily get taken as someone who's looking for a relationship outside of P4P.  So I agree with her: keep it short & sweet, limiting your correspondence to when you're scheduling your next session.    
       
   Also..... pretty much all women have their insecurities about their bodies.   So if any woman tells you she thinks she's too heavy: do NOT come back with "I like your belly!"  or  "Jiggly butts are hot!".... seriously, the only response that is ever OK is "you are beautiful and sexy" period.   ;-)    
       
   Trust me on that.  :-)
   
 -- Modified on 7/21/2016 4:25:21 AM

It is mentioning her weight, which obviously is a sore spot for her, even if you do like it.  Why did you persist when she made it clear to you she feels very strongly about it?

For the future, accentuate the positive, not the negative

Anything out ~~~~ what I am lost at is why the heck would any provider be discussing with a client her issue with getting other appointments, regardless of weight, looks~~ that is not appropriate to be complaining about anything. Last time I checked clients were seeing providers to relax away from problems?  

I would think it is a given if you see a provider more than once you are very satisfied with her appearance. I can't understand how you expressing compliments could be upsetting? Even if she hates her body, why would she take away from your time bringing her body issues to your attention? That should be left to discuss with a doctor etc ~ she's crossing the said boundaries...  

Now if you are contacting her outside of the appointment ~ even to compliment her randomly ~ that "could" get to be annoying. Most guys do not have a clue how much emails/messages we get. I literally start my day with just deleting messages without opening apx 100-200 messages on any given day - if I opened every single one, I would not have time to work. Messages with overly sexual subject lines, or ones with no subject lines-etc. go to the trash.. I did have a client I adored that started sending me YouTube links for somethings I mentioned I love, although I greatly appreciated the time he was taking, after about 20 of such emails-- I had to ask him to only send one when he was requesting us to spend time together. I explained why and he followed my request without any further issue

Yeah it sounds like we were both a little over the line.

To be fair, SHE is sending you mixed signals by discussing other dates with you.  Maybe she thinks you can mentor or suggest to her but REALLY she should NOT do this.  It is unprofessional & detracts from the illusion that is a Girl Friend Experience.  Yes, we know it's an illusion but YIKES!  let's play the game.  Telling her this might be dangerous to your relationship...  Providers need to be great actresses!  If she acts this way with others, it will hurt her business.  

On your part, YOU should never mention other dates you've had.  If she feels even slightly inadequate, she'll think you'll find someone better & be gone.  Personally, I think big boobs are more easily complimented.  Belly?  NEVER!  I'm not attracted to booty, so I suspect that's also a dangerous place to compliment.  In fact...  shut up about her body.  
Compliment what she does for you.  Oh, yes, that feels good!  WOW, that's nice.  OH, what you do to me!  Can't wait to see you again!  

It may be challenging for a heavier girl to keep a full dance card...  she has to be on her game every time.  But this is not your battle to fight...  you can't fix it for her.  

-- Modified on 7/21/2016 11:38:41 AM

Yeah you're absolutely right. It's not for me to assume the I can offer her some insight to my thoughts to hopefully help her attraction and keep other clients like me. That's my mistake. We had gotten cool so I guess my guard came down.

-- Modified on 7/21/2016 9:32:27 AM

Posted By: harborview
To be fair, SHE is sending you mixed signals by discussing other dates with you.  Maybe she thinks you can mentor or suggest to her but REALLY she should NOT do this.  It is unprofessional & detracts from the illusion that is a Girl Friend Experience.  Yes, we know it's an illusion but YIKES!  let's play the game.  Telling her this might be dangerous to your relationship...  Providers need to be great actresses!  If she acts this way with others, it will hurt her business.  
   
 On your part, YOU should never mention other dates you've had.  If she feels even slightly inadequate, she'll think you'll find someone better & be gone.  Personally, I think big boobs are more easily complimented.  Belly?  NEVER!  I'm not attracted to booty, so I suspect that's also a dangerous place to compliment.  In fact...  shut up about her body.    
 Compliment what she does for you.  Oh, yes, that feels good!  WOW, that's nice.  OH, what you do to me!  Can't wait to see you again!    
   
 It may be challenging for a heavier girl to keep a full dance card...  she has to be on her game every time.  But this is not your battle to fight...  you can't fix it for her.    

-- Modified on 7/21/2016 11:38:41 AM

Good advice about the matter.

Posted By: harborview
To be fair, SHE is sending you mixed signals by discussing other dates with you.  Maybe she thinks you can mentor or suggest to her but REALLY she should NOT do this.  It is unprofessional & detracts from the illusion that is a Girl Friend Experience.

-- Modified on 7/21/2016 11:38:41 AM

Agreed. Obviously the OP did get a bit too relaxed and cross a boundary of hers and should take the hint and keep things at a more professional level. However, a few people here seem to be putting it all on him, and I don't think that's right. She talked about her weight / size making it hard to find dates? I think most anyone would think she was looking for a little reassurance & compliments. Debra is definitely correct, it's best to talk generally about her sex appeal and your appreciation of same rather than calling attention to belly and booty, even if it's to say something complimentary.

Still and all, it feels like she opened a door and got upset when he stepped through it.

Not saying the OP needs to hash all that out with her and keep things "fair", he should do whatever is needed, within reason, to continue to enjoy the company of the lady he likes. He should also understand, though, that the two of them danced their way over this line together.

-- Modified on 7/21/2016 8:13:05 PM

That's pretty big of you to say. I appreciate that. Yeah I'm still looking for a new ATF like that. Hadn't quite found another Fatima booty like that one, but I'm still having fun lookin'.

Posted By: Fearghas
 
Posted By: harborview
To be fair, SHE is sending you mixed signals by discussing other dates with you.  Maybe she thinks you can mentor or suggest to her but REALLY she should NOT do this.  It is unprofessional & detracts from the illusion that is a Girl Friend Experience.  
   
 -- Modified on 7/21/2016 11:38:41 AM
   
 Agreed. Obviously the OP did get a bit too relaxed and cross a boundary of hers and should take the hint and keep things at a more professional level. However, a few people here seem to be putting it all on him, and I don't think that's right. She talked about her weight / size making it hard to find dates? I think most anyone would think she was looking for a little reassurance & compliments. Debra is definitely correct, it's best to talk generally about her sex appeal and your appreciation of same rather than calling attention to belly and booty, even if it's to say something complimentary.  
   
 Still and all, it feels like she opened a door and got upset when he stepped through it.  
   
 Not saying the OP needs to hash all that out with her and keep things "fair", he should do whatever is needed, within reason, to continue to enjoy the company of the lady he likes. He should also understand, though, that the two of them danced their way over this line together.

-- Modified on 7/21/2016 8:13:05 PM

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