hobbyist has reviewed. If hobbyist H has reviewed provider P and liked her (say a 9-9) then the other hobbyist can look at H's reviews and see who else was reviewed with similar scores. He could also send a PM asking for recommendations but some guys are hesitant about giving recommendations to guys they don't know or have minimal board presence.
Hi folks,
I am a newbie, but not a first timer. I have not been busted and would like to keep it that way. So, I'd like to know what suggestions people have for participating in the hobby without involving the police. A little background info so you know what will be useful to know. I live in a smaller area so sites like p411 are not going to help because there is almost no one on there. So, I'm essentially limited to backpage. These are the current precautionary steps I take.
1. Find someone I'm interested in on BP.
2. Look up the review on TER. Unfortunately, I rarely see a review for someone in my area so this step doesn't help much.
3. Google number to see if provider has been consistently posting ads. If I see only one or two I stop.
4. Do a Google image search as well. If I see it's pulled from a Twitter account, or somewhere very public, I stop. Though it's probably more likely the provider didn't want their real picture I still don't see a reason to go further.
5. Look at a couple more escort sites to see if they're listed there. Not utterly helpful because most just point to BP ads, but it doesn't hurt.
6. Call/text from a burner. I do not discuss rates over the phone or specific acts. I just ask if they're free to meet today.
I think that covers it all. If anyone has anything to add, or sees flaws in my logic, I'd love to hear it. If there is a link somewhere that has a good process feel free to share. Thanks for any help.
but if that is not possible, then the things you suggest look like reasonable ways to improve your odds.
I would add two more:
Be very careful and discreet with any communications. If she appears to be suggesting that there are sex acts in exchange for money, then that is often an LE tip off.
See gals that do some form of screening. LE never screens.
Keep in mind that the odds do favor you. Before the internet, I'd answer blind ads in the newspapers, and I never encountered LE. I must have seen nearly 100 gals that way.
Best of luck to you
Don't see gals who want you to come to a cheap-o motel where the door faces a parking lot (Motel 6, e.g.) These are favored by LE for making busts. In fact, if she is willing, it is always safer for you to get the motel and have her come to you. LE almost never gets involved with that kind of situation because of their well founded need to control the site. The down side, of course, is that she may not be willing to come out and see you
Thanks for the advice. Is there anyway to get a hotel room without leaving a trail? It seems every hotel nowadays will need an ID and credit card. I may be paranoid from watching too many cop shows but better safe than sorry 
But on the other hand, there's no reason to suspect that the hotel is going to turn you in just because you get a room.
If using the credit card is a problem, most will take cash, along with a deposit for incidentals
(You reserve and check in; they run your card to make sure it has enough credit to pay the bill; they encumber the room charge to your credit balance, let's say $200. They did not yet CHARGE you the $200, they are telling the bank to decrease your credit line by $200. When you check out paying cash, they release the $200 claim on your balance and it looks like nothing happened. And they will still keep your card on file for a while just in case they check the minibar after you've left and find it short $200 worth of candy bars and booze, i.e., two candy bars and two tiny single serve bottles of gin.
Can I ask why you look at BP instead of other avenues, like here first?
Where are you located?
I absolutely hate when "clients" call/text me and ask me if I'm available today as their first form of contact. To me it comes across as rude, they hardly ever say hello or give their name and then have a problem with screening. Is that just me?
I am a newbie, but not a first timer. I have not been busted and would like to keep it that way. So, I'd like to know what suggestions people have for participating in the hobby without involving the police. A little background info so you know what will be useful to know. I live in a smaller area so sites like p411 are not going to help because there is almost no one on there. So, I'm essentially limited to backpage. These are the current precautionary steps I take.
1. Find someone I'm interested in on BP.
2. Look up the review on TER. Unfortunately, I rarely see a review for someone in my area so this step doesn't help much.
3. Google number to see if provider has been consistently posting ads. If I see only one or two I stop.
4. Do a Google image search as well. If I see it's pulled from a Twitter account, or somewhere very public, I stop. Though it's probably more likely the provider didn't want their real picture I still don't see a reason to go further.
5. Look at a couple more escort sites to see if they're listed there. Not utterly helpful because most just point to BP ads, but it doesn't hurt.
6. Call/text from a burner. I do not discuss rates over the phone or specific acts. I just ask if they're free to meet today.
I think that covers it all. If anyone has anything to add, or sees flaws in my logic, I'd love to hear it. If there is a link somewhere that has a good process feel free to share. Thanks for any help.
I am in a smaller city in the Midwest. Though you can probably guess my whereabouts from my reviews . So there isn't much traffic on TER to my area. BP seems to have the only regular traffic as far as I can tell though I'm open to suggestions on other sites to review.
I was never instructed on a proper opening call/text so that's why it's a bit short. This probably explains why I don't get contacted back sometimes. I didn't want to say anything that could be interpreted as an exchange for money, but am open to suggestions. What is a good way to initiate contact?
If the lady doesn't have a screening form or instructions on how to book, starting off with something like, "Hi, how are you today? I'm (name) and I would love to spend time with you. What information do you need?" Maybe even add the date you'd like to see her if you know it. Show that you have manners by introducing yourself as opposed to just a "hey" or "are you available now?" like Marie mentioned.
A polite email might go something like this:
Hello [her name],
I saw your ad today on BP. I liked your photos and description very much. I am hoping that you'll be available for a 1-hour appointment around 5:30PM today.
Please let me know what other info you require. I'd be happy to provide three references upon learning that you're available.
Hope to meet you soon!
{Your Name
Read her ad/website thoroughly. Many ladies will specify how they wish to be contacted and what info they need up front (as well as how much notice they need for a date).
When I receive correspondence that's similar to what you mentioned ("hi, are you available?"), I know right off the bat that he couldn't be bothered to read the plethora of information that I have in my ad/website. So 9 times out of ten, I ignore such messages.
Also, keep in mind that very rarely (if ever) does LE require advance notice or screening. And it does take some time to screen someone as well as to prepare for a date, so you may have more luck in general if you start planning in advance.
Your reviews only say other. They don't specify a city. So I'm still not sure what city you are in.
. So there isn't much traffic on TER to my area. BP seems to have the only regular traffic as far as I can tell though I'm open to suggestions on other sites to review. I was never instructed on a proper opening call/text so that's why it's a bit short. This probably explains why I don't get contacted back sometimes. I didn't want to say anything that could be interpreted as an exchange for money, but am open to suggestions. What is a good way to initiate contact?
His providers' TER profiles or ads suggest either Madison, WI or Des Moines, IA.
Arguments in favor of it being Madison would include TER's regional coverage including the entire state, and being relatively sparsely utilized. Against Madison, it's reasonably close to Chicago & a major university town, and would therefore be likely to get visited fairly regularly by providers from there.
In favor of it being Iowa: everything. Against? Nothing. The nearest major markets to Des Moines would be the Twin Cities or KC. TER coverage in KC doesn't even begin to compare to its reach in the Twin Cities. If becoming comfortable with hobbying is the OP's primary objective, there are countless newbie friendly providers with a deep history of reviews in the TC, and it might be worthwhile for him to arrange a trip here if it's feasible. While some TC providers do the occasional regional tour, I don't recall any of them mentioning Des Moines specifically.
But I suspect that it's more a matter of him living in BP country, and wanting to be sure that he hasn't missed out on some critical aspect of due diligence. Another reply on this thread sort of mentioned possible alternate review sites. While neither of them approaches TER's "verifiable" integrity as a screening tool, going down that rabbit hole might prove useful (it might also be a complete waste of time, but improving one's odds of staying safe makes it worth trying).
Hmm, I tend to date *mostly* from BP, for reasons that I can't really articulate. That said, my initial text is usually 'Hi, I'm (my real first name). I saw your ad on BP, and I'd love to see you for 1hr OC tonight if you are still available"
Would you actually "hate" such a first contact?????
Would you actually "hate" such a first contact?????
some well-reviewed ladies her on TER?
As keystonekid mentioned, you can plan a trip to see someone special. Do you travel for business? Combine pleasure with business!
If there is a well reviewed someone you would particularly like to meet, you can check their touring schedule and see how close they come to your location. Some Providers might be willing to make a short detour if it's not too far off the beaten track. You could ask or ask them how close they come to your city. Maybe there's a compromise location halfway between her normal tour and you. (I'm in the northeast, so it's not like Providence or Hartford is off the beaten track from Boston to NYC.)
Good luck. Have fun
I'm in a very similar situation as you, in the northeast. The nearest area that sees any well reviewed TER ladies is 2 hrs away, and then it's very infrequent.
I do all the same things you listed, and depending on my interest I may dig a little deeper, as in if a # search gets limited hits, the photo search may lead to other numbers used. Some girls change their number fairly frequently, for any number of reasons. If they're all over the map, I'm done, but if there are in a logical geographic order, like they are just traveling, I may keep digging. Tineye will also sometimes find pics that Google doesn't, and vice versa.
If I find enough info that I'm still interested but not yet comfortable, I'll try and start a text dialogue with them, politely, and expressing consideration for their time. How they respond can give you some idea of who they are. Leading questions asking you to say exactly what you want are certainly a red flag, and being quickly dismissive or rude also ends it for me. I think the bigger problem than LE is finding someone that is giving a reasonable representation of who they are. None of these steps really let you know who is going to open the door.
In my view, you are doing everything right, and I've seen more than a dozen unreviewed, unknown girls from BP so far this year. Hell, I even use my personal phone number for all contacts. As long as your discussions are limited to time/location/duration/donation, there is no problem. But NEVER allow discussion of a specific service via either voice or text.
That said, OC is the best protection for clients. No undercover LE or informant is going to enter your car/home/hotel room and let you close and lock the door behind them. Just. Isn't. Going. To. Happen. Ever
The odds of an outcall sting where she visits you are pretty much zero. Esp if booked in advance. They are not going to put an undercover in that position. It might suck but getting your own hotel room; if you are really risk adverse might be one of the safest options.
I am a newbie, but not a first timer. I have not been busted and would like to keep it that way. So, I'd like to know what suggestions people have for participating in the hobby without involving the police. A little background info so you know what will be useful to know. I live in a smaller area so sites like p411 are not going to help because there is almost no one on there. So, I'm essentially limited to backpage. These are the current precautionary steps I take.
1. Find someone I'm interested in on BP.
2. Look up the review on TER. Unfortunately, I rarely see a review for someone in my area so this step doesn't help much.
3. Google number to see if provider has been consistently posting ads. If I see only one or two I stop.
4. Do a Google image search as well. If I see it's pulled from a Twitter account, or somewhere very public, I stop. Though it's probably more likely the provider didn't want their real picture I still don't see a reason to go further.
5. Look at a couple more escort sites to see if they're listed there. Not utterly helpful because most just point to BP ads, but it doesn't hurt.
6. Call/text from a burner. I do not discuss rates over the phone or specific acts. I just ask if they're free to meet today.
I think that covers it all. If anyone has anything to add, or sees flaws in my logic, I'd love to hear it. If there is a link somewhere that has a good process feel free to share. Thanks for any help.
You are involved in an illegal activity. Depending on the circumstances it can be only a misdemeanor or it can be a felony. There is an assumption of risk with the "hobby." It's a contact sport and you can get hurt playing contact sports.
Not being a smart ass, but not playing is the only way you can guarantee you won't get arrested.
I am a newbie, but not a first timer. I have not been busted and would like to keep it that way. So, I'd like to know what suggestions people have for participating in the hobby without involving the police. A little background info so you know what will be useful to know. I live in a smaller area so sites like p411 are not going to help because there is almost no one on there. So, I'm essentially limited to backpage. These are the current precautionary steps I take.
1. Find someone I'm interested in on BP.
2. Look up the review on TER. Unfortunately, I rarely see a review for someone in my area so this step doesn't help much.
3. Google number to see if provider has been consistently posting ads. If I see only one or two I stop.
4. Do a Google image search as well. If I see it's pulled from a Twitter account, or somewhere very public, I stop. Though it's probably more likely the provider didn't want their real picture I still don't see a reason to go further.
5. Look at a couple more escort sites to see if they're listed there. Not utterly helpful because most just point to BP ads, but it doesn't hurt.
6. Call/text from a burner. I do not discuss rates over the phone or specific acts. I just ask if they're free to meet today.
I think that covers it all. If anyone has anything to add, or sees flaws in my logic, I'd love to hear it. If there is a link somewhere that has a good process feel free to share. Thanks for any help.
With regard to 4 that's probably a sign they are not LE -- I suspect if LE posted a trap ad and just pulled some random girls image for their social network posts all hell would break loose if it came out. Slander, defamation...
Why BP -- I've never searched there since TER (and some other sites, DateCheck, P411 and others) all provide search and likely to be a bit safer.
Other than that sounds like you're covering the bases -- the main one being use common sense and if it's too good to believe then don't.
I am a newbie, but not a first timer. I have not been busted and would like to keep it that way. So, I'd like to know what suggestions people have for participating in the hobby without involving the police. A little background info so you know what will be useful to know. I live in a smaller area so sites like p411 are not going to help because there is almost no one on there. So, I'm essentially limited to backpage. These are the current precautionary steps I take.
1. Find someone I'm interested in on BP.
2. Look up the review on TER. Unfortunately, I rarely see a review for someone in my area so this step doesn't help much.
3. Google number to see if provider has been consistently posting ads. If I see only one or two I stop.
4. Do a Google image search as well. If I see it's pulled from a Twitter account, or somewhere very public, I stop. Though it's probably more likely the provider didn't want their real picture I still don't see a reason to go further.
5. Look at a couple more escort sites to see if they're listed there. Not utterly helpful because most just point to BP ads, but it doesn't hurt.
6. Call/text from a burner. I do not discuss rates over the phone or specific acts. I just ask if they're free to meet today.
I think that covers it all. If anyone has anything to add, or sees flaws in my logic, I'd love to hear it. If there is a link somewhere that has a good process feel free to share. Thanks for any help.