You're trying to get laid, not apply for Top Secret clearance. You're putting way to much importance into something that shouldnt require a doggone SOP. By the way, just saying "childish" instead of "puerile" and spelling "arrogance" correctly might've made your point more effective.
The usual requirement is to have a reference from one or more other ladies. Is there a circumstance that you will see a guy without those credentials? I mean, how does one get initiated into the hobby now? I don't think there's an equivalent of a provider "taking one for the team." I understand that many ladies don't accept RS2000, but I suppose those that do could give references for guys to ladies that don't.
It's questionable whether these verification services are reliable. Strangely enough, it means that the more careful ladies are dependent on the less careful ones to keep the pool of clients replenished.
I'm thinking that an agency or a massage parlor might be one way. But it occurs to me that as much as the indies rightfully hate agencies, then they do perform a purpose then. How many agencies are willing to give referals to what they clearly must see is the competition? Independent providers might think differently about it, but this is exactly the way the agency would see it.
Another way might be with a referral from an established client. I'm doing that for a friend right now. Ladies, how many of you are open to that?
I was a bit lucky getting "initiated" into the hobby when I did, and the session that initiated me was almost comical. If I tried to get into this now, just three years later, the hurdles would be much higher.
Do any of you have any other suggestions for guys trying to get into this?
He provided me with his work information, was willing to have a lengthy telephone conversation prior to meeting and our time would have to start in public, say for instance a dinner date so I could get to feel comfortablewith him. Obviously this scenario is not be in every man's budget but it's the only way I am willing to see someone without references.
I don't believe agencies give references, or at least the ones I have contacted do not.
The dinner and date at prevailing rate?
The entire date is pro bono for all newbies.
All the ladies had your style and class. For most, you'd not only pay dinner and date and rate, but many would also expect a tip.
You are going to get lots of calls.
When I made the leap from massage places to the website scene, I used the person who answers the phone at the massage place as a reference. It is always a good idea to get to know this person. I would bring them a gift at X-mas time and always be very friendly. It paid off. Four years ago I went "on line" and used this person as a reference for my first date. After that, I had an "on line" reference and it just snow balled from there. This is admitedly, not a solution for someone who is unable or doesn't want to go the massage parlor route. To them, all I can say is to try to find someone who will accept you just based upon being open, friendly and honest on line. If your communication skills are up there, someone is likely to take a chance on you. Try areas where LE is not too much of a problem, e.g. New York.
Please call me as I have no references and I so much would love to dine with you! And then we could solve the case of the missing knickers... 
Hercule
xxxxoooo
to start all my dates with romantic dinners.
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I tend to have situations where referrals don't always work. I've been in and out of the "hobby" for over 20 years but once in a while I spend at least a year without seeing new ladies.
When I am in the mood or situation to explore, I see 3-4 ladies a month. But I can go more than a year wihtout seeing ladies if I am happy with the friends I am with.
For me, this makes a recent referral a something I cannot always come up with.
At the same time, I have a boss that would join me in the hobby if the timing was right. I have no problem giving out my personal/work information. Yet, this is not always enough for the ladies that reguire two recent referrals.
I have no problem working with ladies to make them feel comfortable. Some just won't work around referrals no matter how much information you are willing to share. I just don't feel well about asking for a referral from a ladies I saw more than one year ago.
This is a tough question and one that I posted on the newbie board tonite about a posting called "screening," but there are ways of working around this issue. It just calls for alot of creativity as well as a little bit of "woman's intuition!"! 
*smile* lol Lisa of Boston
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So, Lisa. How did you like being compared to a side of beef (from the Rocky movie)? I'll bet that review warmed your heart.
I wish he wouldnt have compared the action like a Rocky Movie! ha ha lol Too funny! Lisa
There are more than enough providers out there who don't require your blood type and left gonad to see them. It kills me how some of these ladies get all into a man's business, asking for work information and references...way too much info to be giving someone you don't know. She's taking a risk seeing you just like you her...that's the business. Spilling your work and hobbying info is unnecessary...keep looking until you find a provider who isn't so demanding.
You're a prime target for a ROB or a LE sting. The last thing they want to do is make it difficult for a hobbyist to seize their bait. You can strut around all you want in your puerile arrogant's. The fact is screening protects both ways.
RuGS
You're trying to get laid, not apply for Top Secret clearance. You're putting way to much importance into something that shouldnt require a doggone SOP. By the way, just saying "childish" instead of "puerile" and spelling "arrogance" correctly might've made your point more effective.
But getting pinched in a sting is a real bitch for either side. Am I correct in assuming by other posts of yours that you have a quasi gov't job? If so I can understand why you feel benign questions like where do you work and what's the # to the front desk is akin to a colonoscopy. You have my sympathy. It however does not preclude the importance of good screening to protect both provider and hobbyist alike. Providers that don't screen much like BBFS is certainly attainable. The judgment behind both practices however is questionable.
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a man who is LE can see an escort in his town and not arrest her because she is the chief's daughter and arrest you if you call her up and not be careful.
a man can steal, or stand you up being a doctor, lawyer, or even a longterm hobbyist. There is no client review site to protect us.
I get info from the guy and put in in my jewelry box before my date. I watch out when I am out and about and I check everything out when I do see him. Gary Condit, Ted Bundy were respectable men who still were dangerous.
I still think that I am more careful than girls in bars
...if he can provide a cel number, a work number, and after numerous conversations or e-mail communications I feel comfortable, then all is a go....
I guess after years of experience, we all take a chance, but have more sense and can "go with out gut instinct"....
When in doubt, don't do it....
It's better to err on the side of caution....
Stay safe and have fun!!!!!
Not every provider demands references. I have a very careful screening process which requires verifiable job, address, and phone info. I find that this gives me more protection than references and also permits me to meet newbies. Some of my most wonderful regulars are guys who I met when they were nbewbies withouty references.
I love meeting newbies. So I have no problems with anyone for not having references.
Naughtiness
Kadi
And I'll never forget that about you!!! The monster that I've become is ALL YOUR FAULT.
...I have references, but they're all bad.
"Oh yeah, I know Lex. Better bring a book or something to keep yourself from dozing off."
"Lex Luethor? Oh jeez. Yeah. I remember him. Looks and acts like Beavis, but without the hair."
"Hmmm. Lex? Maybe I remember him. A dweebly little bald guy who can't get it up?"
Hey hun, we don't all hate agenices. I have gotten a few references from some of the best agencies. Sara