How do you guys feel about a girl working Indy and for agency?
Zara JaxxI'm still pretty new to the hobby and was curious... Are there agencies out there that allow ladies to also work independent?
A touring indy also appears on the website of a local agency.
- a well reviewed indy lends credibility to the local agency
- a well known agency lends cred to the touring indy (for guys who know local but don't know TER)
- the agency gets more calls, some seeking the indy
- if the indy is booked or unavailable, the agency benefits from directing callers to their local but less known staff members
- the agency can help the indy with local affairs (hotels, travel, etc.)
- the agency may be able to screen for the indy: they have their pre-screened current clients AND they have more time to screen on short notice than an indy who is running around sight seeing and working. NOTE: THE INDY MUST BE ABLE TO TRUST THE AGENCY'S SCREENING!
And many more win-win reasons.
- the indy still has to negotiate a split with the agency that might be the same or different from the local staff (indy has to cover travel, too)
- the indy should be obligated to the agency for a certain amount of time to let them book. E.g., if visiting M-T-W, the agency gets all of T (no independent booking, cutting out the agency on T). Or, some other agreement.
- the indy has to be a good match. A "non-GFE" indy will not fit on the roster of an agency known for providing 100% GFE. Someone expecting $800/h won't fit on the roster of a $350/h service.
So, YES, such arrangements are known and can be made.
Are you thinking of traveling? Whereto
would likely frown on one of their girls booking independently. No commission for the agency. After all, they are in it to make money. Lots of girls start out with an agency, and once they learn the ropes, they go out on their own. However, being independent means the the girl has to do all the detail work that the agency did for her. It also means she makes more money and has control over her schedule. Agencies tend to book girls with little or no downtime between appointments to freshen up for the next client.
LLAP,
Swim
I'll even go further (beyond my previous post). The indies often have their own websites but also the agency URL on their Profile: more advertising for the agency! Some guy in Toledo clicking on the touring Indy sees that she's also on a Boston or NYC agency website. Maybe he sees her as an indy in Toledo and writes a review. When he's on business in Boston, and looking for some R&R, he knows who he's going to call: the agency, even if the indy is currently in Baltimore. His indy gives the agency cred to him. His indy gives him cred to the agency.
I can even think of some examples where a really popular local girl was both indy AND with the local agency. She was available via the agency on certain days and was indy on other days. There is a lot of trust involved in such an arrangement but it can work. Did she ever book her own time on the agency day? Maybe - but maybe she still comped the agency their fee or, at least, did not burn that bridge
but for the umpteenth time Swim, you are absolutely wrong here. AGAIN
While it's hardly the norm for most agencies to do this, there are MANY instances of this being allowed and happily for the OP there is an agency or two right in Atlanta that will allow this. I no longer live in Atlanta and can't remember the names offhand, but I am sure that if Rachael Lee were to make this post on the Atlanta board someone with a better memory than me, or perhaps one of the actual agencies will respond to her.
Also, not all agencies book their girls back to back to back. It is a rather common practice, but certainly not the only way it is done.
with guys they met through the agency. They just give him their direct # and stiff the agency on the commission. Happens all the time. It's usually a half-step out the agency's door. When they get enough regulars they leave.
Getting black balled by the agencies would force her to become very indy very quickly. Some respond well to being tossed into the deep end - sink or swim. Others prefer to learn the ropes more slowly.
I think that there are workable options for OP to be an indy-agency girl. I just don't know all the rules.
Here's a scenario, but I don't know how it works. OP promises Agency to work Wedenesdays, 10AM to Midnite. OP makes a date with a regular for W 2-3 PM. The agency never calls and nothing happens. NOTHING HAPPENS.
On another W, OP makes the same date form 2-3 PM and the agency tries to reach OP at 2:30 PM to tell her they made an appointment for her at 5 PM. No answer at 2:30, 2:45, 3:00 ... but she's supposed to be on-call. Why isn't she answering her phone or texts? She can call back and tell the agency she was with a regular and give them their cut(?). She can call back and tell the agency that she was busy with a regular and that she'll give them her commitment for Thursday from 5 PM to midnite(?). I don't know how it works, but I just think that there's a workable way to keep everybody happy: OP, agency, OP's regulars and Agency's regulars.
OP: I'm conservative. I suggest you play by the rules of the agency until you're fully fledged and can fly completely on your own.
Sending a PM.
My point was simply that it happens and that our host's blanket statement was a little too black and white.
Also, not all agencies book their girls back to back to back. It is a rather common practice, but certainly not the only way it is done.
I just did a quick search of Atlanta recent reviews. I opened each Profile and looked for anyone with more than one link that matched something like:
www.sounds-like-an-agency.com/Models/HerName
www.HerName.com
www.p411.com/#### (usually her personal p411)
www.eros.com/####
On the very first page of recent reviews, there was Profile 276595 with links to "goldclub" which looks like an agency and her own p411 and websites. Maybe you can ask her (276595) for advice. But keep clicking and look for a few more examples.
You also might consider paying for a month of FULL VIP (not just limited free VIP). You can pay with an anonymous gift card. $30 might get you 24 days or $50 might get you 45 days, etc. That way, you can read the Juicy Details of all the reviews and learn a few things
...When you go to 276595 her contact info is the agency. When you check out her web site the contact information is the agency's. Her P411 contact info is the agency's as well. I don't think this provider is working as an indy and agency provider.
I do know of a provider that's independent but was affiliated with an agency when she toured to Atlanta. Well, probably should say was affiliated. About a year later she moved to Atlanta and is completely independent.
and her booking were arranged by a local agency, the agency run by a very dear friend of mine recently passed. Our very own PT, the "Phone Terrorist" who ran the long running Sleekride agency of Atlanta.
I had another very good friend of mine who ran a more UTR agency who did bookings for several ladies who also worked as Indies, so I know it happens, I just can't remember the name/s of anyone who allows it today.
Whoops! Thanks for checking, xyz. I couldn't do ALL of the work for OP ... unless, maybe, I get a freebie out of it. But I'm not in Atlanta.
I presented the basic idea but the 276595 example turned out to be a bad example. If OP checks out more Provider profiles for Atlanta, I think some better examples will turn up.
If 276595 has a P411 account, do you think that she maintains it herself ("independently") or do you think the agency owns it and maintains it for her? In the past, when an agency girl wanted to go indy, some mean spirited asshole agencies wouldn't give (or sell) the TER Profile, P411 and other accounts to the girl. It was just being mean and some of the girls had to change their name and start fresh and "lose" dozens of great reviews.
The trend we're seeing these days is that agencies are willing to accommodate indies and not to punish their own staff that want to make the move to indy.
I do know of a provider that's independent but was affiliated with an agency when she toured to Atlanta. Well, probably should say was affiliated. About a year later she moved to Atlanta and is completely independent.
...when I investigated the ID #. I know the lady and agency in this case. (I didn't have to do any digging, I recognized the contact info.) I'm guessing the agency handles the P411 account and possibly the provider's site. Though it occurs (pure speculation here) to me she might have been an independent at one time and simply changed the info to match the agency's once she went to work for them. I do know the agency has the P411 seal/link on their sites first page. I assume agencies can have P411 accounts.
The agency booker screens and answers the lady's email (pretending to be either the lady or her "assistant")
The lady sees clients at the agency's apartment.
The agency markets the lady as "independent" - Ads are posted separately from the other agency girls.
The agency makes an indy website for the lady (they are not listed on the agency's website).
The agency gets their usual % cut from the higher rate being charged by the supposedly "independent" lady.
Clients get tricked into thinking that they're actually seeing an independent provider, but they aren't
Not all agencies are alike. I know of agencies who do not book their ladies back to back to back. Some of them have the ladies select their own availability and then try to fill that time with appointments. I also know of agencies who work more as booking agents, and don't care that providers are using them while also working as an Indy, or working for another agency.
While some agencies are unwilling to give up any commissions and want full control of a provider's life, there are others who are happy to work as assistants, or friends, and even assist their ladies in going independent.
I have also had OTC time with agency ladies which would probably not be possible with the type of agencies you are talking about. Agencies run the gamut from outright pimp, to simple booking assistant.
I'm currently independent and working with an agency as well! So there are agencies out there that do allow you to work in both capacities. You its have to select your agency very carefully.
How do you guys feel about a girl working Indy and for agency?
Zara Jaxx
...on the up and up.
Ok, I was just wondering since I am new in the business.
At one point I thought about joining an agency but decided not to.
Where I am, I have lots of choices so I don't have the same indy-agency jitters sometimes discussed on the boards. As long as I'm in my comfort zone.
I'm fine with co-listing and know several that do so.
I have seen agency girls who went indy (and still work with an agency when touring) and I still see them, usually via their indy contact unless I can't reach them or time is short - I've made contact both ways.
I have seen indy girls as indies who then (or maybe already were) affiliated with an agency (but I didn't know it). I tended to stick with the agency side after that so I think of them as agency. You know, even tho' my first contact with them may have been as indies, they might have been co-listed with agencies but I just didn't know it at the time.
I see, interesting. Thanks for your input hun. Great insight.
That helps when I get insight from guys about what they like and dont like.
So far I am staying with being just Indy.